Senator Josh Hawley confirms David Grusch's testimony is pretty close to what he was briefed about UAP.

https://youtu.be/BaeSyQCv4tY

I added some aliens and ufo images to my ai content and had a few sales.

Maybe I will do some more, if the aliens do come to get us I will at least make some money before they destroy us all.

Indicated by 4 or more of the following: 1) suspects, without evidence, that others are exploiting, harming or deceiving him or her, 2) Is preoccupied with unjustifiable doubts about the loyalty of trustworthiness of others, 3) Is reluctant to confide in others because of unwarranted fear that they will use the information maliciously, 4) Reads hidden meanings or threatening meanings into benign remarks of others, 5) Persistently bears grudges, 6) perceives attacks on his/her character or reputation that are not apparent to others and is quick to react angrily or to counterattack, 7) Has recurrent suspicions, without justification, regarding fidelity of spouse or sexual partner. DSM-5

Not sure what this was in reference to, but it perfectly describes one of my colleagues in the office next door to mine - Paranoid Personality Disorder.

Judging by the comments on many utube clips it appears we are devolving.

I hate it when that happens.  Although it does explain a lot of recent political developments.

What do you think would happen if we had real, incontrovertible evidence of aliens?  For example, if they landed a ship on the White House lawn or at UN headquarters and demanded a meeting with our leaders?  Would it unite all of the world's population?  Would it cause people to abandon their religions?  Give up on our governments?

Why would world governments hide evidence of alien contact if it existed?  Would they be afraid of worldwide panic?  That's the part I've never understood - if aliens have made contact, why hide it?

In short tactical advantage andnthen money. After that power.

Running up behind the cold War a lot of the uap sighting were tagged as Russian technology. So it became a military matter by default. With full support from the populace who were patriots. Once you take that avenue and perhaps realise or discover this isn't what it is then it becomes a necenessity politically to keep that narrative going whilst throwing the brightest and the best at it. But military tend to have an idea and then to improve security have certain companies make a part of it and break the components down and spread their construction across several. And have a smaller in house team assembling and installing and testing. Back engineering something that already exists and works but you don't k ow how is harder if you only have a small team of experts.

The Manhattan project used already proven technology and known laws of physics and built on that in secrecy. Against an enemy and that kept the secrecy as an act of patriotism. This may have been the same by accident until it was realised it was beyond us.

I've often thought that the best way to expose something is work out what the secret holder needs to do. So in this case its clear youde need certain experts...

Engineers
Physicists
Microbiologists
Language experts
Electrician specialists.

at least. But you don't. You don't need engineers because engineers build what is theoretically possible and tweek it once built. These things work. No engineer required.

Physicists - required
Microbiologists- required for possible organisms that could. e harmful. But you can monitor those members of the public or police already exposed and see how it goes. If they don't die it's probably safe.

Language experts for translation of anything you might find. But you, me a 5 year old are already Language experts we don't need a specialist because we carry a universal translator around with us now.

And electrical potentials are covered by large amounts of trained military personnel.

So any clues we could find are in the early days before our technology became good enough that anybody could be trained to monitor and test without having a careers worth of knowledge to understand the results.

So why keep it secret is because to admit you have technology that is hundreds of years ahead of the Russians could cause a war to get it just like WW2 and going after the scientists has already proved.

Religion is another issue because many of those in power who are in charge of the research and budgets and whatever else are religious and they feel it will take away people's moral code and religious calmness if their idol is ripped away from them. But the Catholic Church has already stated years ago that Earth's God could easily have. reates them as well.  So don't panic. I don't believe in god so I'm just putting that out there.

I think there are two very important questions that do not seem to have an obvious answer. Yours ... why don't they just land and be done with it. But the single most stupid question which should be the focus of it all ... and it's a really silly question ... if they can travel the cosmos or interdemensionally ... why do they need running lights?

Because the implications of that question if you answer it are jaw dropping. and give a large clue as to proving they exist. And I've given over a large amount of daydreaming to answer that.

We use them not for navigation as some state. We use them.to make others aware of our location in the sky or at sea or on land. They need power. That usually means a hull penetration. This means a weakness. And it for them at least is a pointless drain on onboard power. It's such a rediculous point to want to know. But the answer reveals so much.

In a new Bill Congress has thrown down the glove.

Any corporation that houses UFOs as part of a special access projects is now obliged to come foreward and they will be give funding to work on their project. Or else ... their funding will be removed.

https://youtu.be/HpuVhb2nBAI

Grusch's claims being a giant psyop just doesn't make any sense.

Without having enough information, it does make sense. Trying to scare the adversaries of the US. It doesn't have to be the case, but it is one of the possibilities.

As other high-profile people seem to confirm the main points and claim Grusch is a credible person, I exclude the possibility that Grusch is making things up. But he might have been fed false information, or partially false information, as part of the psyops.

And if the phenomenon includes humans from the future, it could explain the great secrecy.

Quote from: Lowls on June 29, 2023, 02:01

In a single spade of earth there are hundreds of life forms. On our planet trillions and trillions from bacteria to mammals. In that universe ... the simplest explanation is not interdemensional beings.

Not if the theories of people like Donald Hoffman are correct (and I think they might be). And not if what is reported by people who experienced astral projections is part of the "objective reality". Check Robert Monroe's books or other people who report similar things. They open a door to a whole new reality.

That would be very "woo", but maybe woo is just the way things are in the grand scheme of things. Do you want to experience weird things yourself (without taking ayuhuasca, DMT or any drugs)? Try this program used by the CIA for years, the report was declassified some time ago:

https://www.vice.com/en/article/7k9qag/how-to-escape-the-confines-of-time-and-space-according-to-the-cia

I have been doing it since last year, and it is amazing. I feel much better and stronger. I was able to control (completely "switch off") physical pain with my mind a few times and it shocked me as it happened instantly. Some experiences can be mind-blowing. And I am just a beginner, advanced users often report super-woo things.

Well tye CIA tried everything and more didn't they.

You are forgetting George Knapp regarding a psyop. It isnt going to worry the Russians or Chinese one bit.

Firstly Knapp smuggled classified documents back to the states for several years. The BBC stopped that and he had to rush out. But he was given enough that its known the Russians have them too. Further confirmed by Grusch with his arms race statement. The chinese and Russians do not have oversight like the US and or limits of morality built in from a young age. Frankly they just dont care about much. Safety, morality, money,  anything. Psyop it isnt.

Quote from: Lowls on June 29, 2023, 15:36

... The chinese and Russians do not have oversight like the US and or limits of morality built in from a young age. Frankly they just dont care about much. Safety, morality, money,  anything.

sounds like you're the one in an alternate universe if you believe the US is so different from R&C in these areas

another unnecessary snarky comment. What you meant to say was "The US are just as bad". And I don't disagree. Just ignore the thread or me lol. You don't believe in any way that this phenomena is anything other than misunderstood ordinary items. You do not believe in the credibility of any military personnel, equipment or data. You just know best. Which is fine. Cool. So stop yourself and show some restraint and don't suffer idiots like me and threads like this. So easy to do. You have the whole Internet to roam mocking people. Have at it. Just if you can't help yourself ... moderate yourself.

Quote from: Lowls on June 29, 2023, 15:36

... The chinese and Russians do not have oversight like the US and or limits of morality built in from a young age. Frankly they just dont care about much. Safety, morality, money,  anything.

sounds like you're the one in an alternate universe if you believe the US is so different from R&C in these areas

Research has shown that repeating a claim increases that claim�s perceived truth value. The UFO propaganda machine is designed to tell the lies over and over and also discredit anything that doesn't agree with the propaganda version of the story. Anything that shows evidence that does follow the story line is vigorously attacked, but anything that follows the propaganda mission is accepted without questioning.

They claim to be searching for the truth but instead are ignoring the facts that would show their claims are vague fantasy science fiction.

... Look at his scientific achievements, registered patents, position and reputation in the world of science. And then listen to what he says about UFOs. ...

consider them, but qualifications in one field don't necessarily qualify someone in another - Nobel prize winners have embarrassed themselves with racist theories or advocating vitamin C as a cure for the common cold

in this case how do his achievements, patents & reputation become evidence for accuracy wrt alien UFO? argument from authority does not give reliability to any statements they may make

Denialism is just as stupid as the Ancient Aliens show, whose authors seem to see "aliens" almost everywhere. Same thing, just the opposite direction.