Quote from: Diana Herrmann on July 25, 2023, 08:41

Here's the basis hypothesis. They see a light in the sky that they can't identify, it must be space aliens. A extreme leap and conclusion without any basis.

Quote from: Diana Herrmann on August 17, 2023, 06:07

What is coming? When?

You've clearly made up your mind that nothing is coming.

Why won't you tell us?

"Personally I want disclosure or rather full disclosure so that we can put the secrecy to bed and get on with learning what we can. "

 You say you know, you won't answer because you don't like us? Where's the full disclosure.

Quote from: Lowls on August 17, 2023, 07:18

Quote from: Diana Herrmann on July 25, 2023, 08:41

Here's the basis hypothesis. They see a light in the sky that they can't identify, it must be space aliens. A extreme leap and conclusion without any basis.

Quote from: Diana Herrmann on August 17, 2023, 06:07

What is coming? When?

You've clearly made up your mind that nothing is coming.

Why won't you tell us?

Quote from: Lowls on August 21, 2023, 12:51

"Personally I want disclosure or rather full disclosure so that we can put the secrecy to bed and get on with learning what we can. "

 You say you know, you won't answer because you don't like us? Where's the full disclosure.

Some quotes and opinions to consider -

NASA: "One of NASA's key priorities is the search for life elsewhere in the universe, but so far, NASA has not found any credible evidence of extraterrestrial life and there is no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial."

Adam Frank, a professor of astrophysics at the University of Rochester: He does "not find these claims exciting at all" because they are all "just hearsay" where "a guy says he knows a guy who knows another guy who heard from a guy that the government has alien spaceships". Frank also said of the Grusch account that "it's an extraordinary claim, and it requires extraordinary evidence, none of which we're getting", adding "show me the spaceship".

 Michael Shermer, publisher of Skeptic magazine: "it's astonishing it's come this far without any real evidence, without anybody in the scientific community making an appearance" and "we are still seeing not a shred of physical evidence".

 Physicists and cosmologist Sean M. Carroll said of Grusch's claims about non-human visitors, "the evidence is laughable". About Grusch physics claims, Carroll said that Grusch was "talking about the Holographic principle and extra dimensions and stuff like that" which should "set off your alarm bells". He concluded that Grusch, "has all of the vibes of a complete crackpot".

Something to consider. NASA has not found any credible evidence of extraterrestrial life and there is no evidence that UAPs are extraterrestrial. We might be seeing some UAP or UFO and it could be an unexplained natural event. The leap of faith is to assume that just because it's Unidentified, that means it's ET.

I find it extraordinary that if we have this many crashed vehicles, there must be hundreds of these craft, maybe thousands, coming to see us, all the time. How else could there be so many crashes and recoveries? Yet astronomers, and people who search for ET, and other space and science people, have never seen one physically or a nice clear photo of the proof?

That was wasted effort again. You seem keen on that. Or maybe you've got some kind of memory issue. Certainly selective amnesia.

NASA - spending $100,000.00 to investigate UAP. Which isn't even lunch money and they started a month ago. Credibility - ZERO

Adam Frank - clearly a moron. Hearsay only counts as evidence in legal terminology and 'Frank'ly his opinion is irrelevant. Because David Gruschs superiors who investigated his claims (we'll say claims but actually it was a sanctioned investigation into all special projects over 4 years) and they found his 'hearsay' credible and urgent. But then they had the clearances to see the evidence for themselves unlike this pillock. Surprised youde include that dross but whateva.

Shermer - he has his baseless opinion which he is entitled to make a living from.

Carroll - who lol.

Peter - same old same old. Rinse repeat.

Quote from: Lowls on August 23, 2023, 14:07

That was wasted effort again. You seem keen on that. Or maybe you've got some kind of memory issue. Certainly selective amnesia.

NASA - spending $100,000.00 to investigate UAP. Which isn't even lunch money and they started a month ago. Credibility - ZERO

Adam Frank - clearly a moron. Hearsay only counts as evidence in legal terminology and 'Frank'ly his opinion is irrelevant. Because David Gruschs superiors who investigated his claims (we'll say claims but actually it was a sanctioned investigation into all special projects over 4 years) and they found his 'hearsay' credible and urgent. But then they had the clearances to see the evidence for themselves unlike this pillock. Surprised youde include that dross but whateva.

Shermer - he has his baseless opinion which he is entitled to make a living from.

Carroll - who lol.

Peter - same old same old. Rinse repeat.

You asked for facts that contradict and then attack the person not the established reliable sources.

I didn't "attack" stop being childish and dramatic. This isn't Ellen or Dr Phil.

He keeps stating the same incorrect information despite it being repeatedly told to him. Willfully.

I don't think I'll take lectures about being attacked from you.

NASA has only begun investigating UAPs. Fact. This has been stated previously. Fact. Had he bothered to research it for himself he would have remembered it. Fact. So NASA has zero credibility in this scenario. Also fact. Further more their research will not determine origins only technical capabilities.

Adam Frank ... writes drivel about hearsay then goes on to lie. Had Pete remembered or bothered to research himself he would have known/remembered that fact which is now a matter of congressional record. But no let's by all means cherry pick lies over facts. You' condone that apprently which makes you just as unreliable. Lies. Not facts.

Carroll - irrelevant. Apprentky despite being a physicist and cosmologist it doesn't preclude you from being a moron. Which he is for the very reasons already stated. Those with clearances have investigated already, those claims by David Grusch and found them.credible and urgent.

**DO YOU HEAR THAT. CREDIBLE AND URGENT.**

People who actually have the correct clearances have investigated it and corroborated David Grusch�s investigative findings.

Shermer - a skeptic with no clearances says otherwise. Shock. He makes a living from doing so. Shock. So this means nothing. Belly button fluff and nonsense. Another person who doesn't have clearances, isn't in the military or intelligence services or the government or anything but a utube studio ... says different. And .... lol. What does your aunt say. I'll ask mine and let you know .... pathetic.

I didn't ask for anything apart from accidental captures of UAP whilst taking photos for stock. What happened afterwards was a bunch of very unpleasant people piled in and began behaving like entitled brats. That's not an attack. It's a fact. Like children smirking and posting in a thread they had no interest in nor belief in.

I have posted events that have happened as by chance it came out of the blue. And I won't be bullied into not posting by said entitled brats.

As for poor Peter. Give me a break. He keeps coming back here to post crap and stir the **** doesn't he. Poor little little lamb 🤣  yeah right.

Quote from: Lowls on August 23, 2023, 14:07

That was wasted effort again. You seem keen on that. Or maybe you've got some kind of memory issue. 
 ...

Adam Frank - clearly a moron. Hearsay only counts as evidence in legal terminology and 'Frank'ly his opinion is irrelevant. Because David Gruschs superiors who investigated his claims (we'll say claims but actually it was a sanctioned investigation into all special projects over 4 years) and they found his 'hearsay' credible and urgent. But then they had the clearances to see the evidence for themselves unlike this pillock. Surprised youde include that dross but whateva.

Shermer - he has his baseless opinion which he is entitled to make a living from.

Carroll - who lol.

Peter - same old same old. Rinse repeat.

...Adam Frank ... writes drivel about hearsay then goes on to lie. ...
Carroll - irrelevant. Apprentky despite being a physicist and cosmologist it doesn't preclude you from being a moron. ...
 .... And I won't be bullied into not posting by said entitled brats.

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I didn't "attack" stop being childish and dramatic. This isn't Ellen or Dr Phil.

LOL - not an attack in sight - clearly you have no facts or evidence so you just resort to  personal slurs[emphasis gladly added]

He keeps stating the same incorrect information despite it being repeatedly told to him. Willfully.

'told' is neither evidence nor fact'

 'willfully' - now you're a mind reader?
 

Shermer - a skeptic with no clearances says otherwise.

as if being a skeptic is disqualifying? Shermer has been examining and testing pseudoscience & flimflam and exposing their deceptions & lies for decades   

NASA has only begun investigating UAPs. Fact. This has been stated previously. Fact. Had he bothered to research it for himself he would have remembered it. Fact. So NASA has zero credibility in this scenario. Also fact. Further more their research will not determine origins only technical capabilities.

you may be unaware, but that is how science is done - form a TESTABLE hypothesis and gather evidence. even with  proof of alien contact we'll have no idea of origin(unless they have a road map in their glove compartment - they must use gloves for their anal probes, right?)

They are real. I know first hand.

Another interesting UFO related one this week:

https://ohnopodcast.com/investigations/2023/8/27/ross-and-brian-dunning-and-the-ufo-movie-they-dont-want-you-to-see

That was actually very interesting thank you.

He made two errors which aren't correct.

1. Trained observers do exist. He claimed that they asked several pilots (didnt specify what type) and trained observes don't exist, and Ross stated that, that statement really annoys him so much. They are both incorrect because military personnel who perform specific roles do train to observe. It is a constant process. They are given thick updated books which contain silhouettes of all craft. Ships, planes, helicopters, submarines etc and on and on and they are shown in different orientations. They are so proficient at it they can name specific ships in most navy's purely based on antenna layout or wing formations etc. So that was I'll informed.

2. Mick West did a great .... no he didn't. Whenever you begin a sentence with Mick West did a great ... the remainder of that sentence is rendered null and void.

In the pro UFO camp nothing is progressing. The internal war has intensified.

Senator Mike Turner who's constituency contains a major private aerospace contractor and who's campaign funds are heavily loaded with all the major private aerospace contractors payments was interviewed a few weeks ago regarding the hearings and his response was ...

"You know Maria I always love it when someone comes foreward and testifies about something they have no idea about . The most striking thing about all of the testimony was repeatedly over and over again, the whistle blowers had to say over and over again, I don't have any knowledge of this somebody told me that"

 Only one whistle blower and 2 decorated Navy top gun pilots with very distinguished careers and also first hand witnesses themselves. But facts aren't important eh Mike Turner. Even the whistle blowers career and distinguished service destroys Mike Turner's life down to nothing.

Interviewer "So no Aliens on Earth then"?

Turner " um ... er ... pffff ... erm .... w.... er ... Maria I certainly can't tell you that there are no aliens on Earth .... " No because that would mean you lied on live TV wouldn't it Mike. Good save not.

But Mike was fuming after that interview and has been allegedly running around telling his underlings to stop talking about UAP and aliens and has stipulated that he doesn't want any more UAP hearings to take place in public. That was also leaked and he isn't allegedly very happy that this has now become public knowledge.

So he is running around an awful lot over things that don't exist. And the internal war continues after an expose by and ex NASA scientist who has implied that all UAP are probably China. Stirring anti Chinese sentiments. Now it's all China's fault. If that were true this forum would be in Mandarin not English.

Well it's here .... AARO has its own publicly accessible website where they claim they will be revealing all the secrets or lack there of. After much pressure allegedly they will be publishing it with declassified photos and videos.

Those who are in contact within sources in the inteligence agencies and AARO and the back engineering programmes say that this is going to be a fake front to appease the masses.

https://www.aaro.mil/

see for yourself.

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Historic Discovery: Fossilized Extraterrestrial Head Unearthed in Oregon

Seattle, 31 August 2023 � In a groundbreaking moment for the scientific community and space enthusiasts alike, a team of researchers from the Discovery Institute in Seattle has uncovered an astonishing artifact: the fossilized head of an extraterrestrial being. The discovery promises to reshape our understanding of the cosmos and ignite new discussions about life beyond Earth.

The fossil was found on an Oregon beach in a fossil layer from 20 million years ago. The research team, comprised of paleontologists, astrobiologists, and geologists, has been meticulously analyzing the find and conducting comprehensive tests to ensure its authenticity.

Dr. Asuman Koska, the lead paleontologist on the project, expressed her excitement, stating, "This discovery is unlike anything we've encountered before. The fossilized head showcases  features that are distinctly non-human, indicating an origin far beyond our planet. We are at the dawn of a new era in paleontology, one that challenges our preconceptions about life in the universe."

The fossil itself measures approximately 7" x 4" x 4" and is remarkably well-preserved, bearing features that resemble a blend of familiar Earth creatures while possessing otherworldly characteristics. Initial examinations suggest that the being might have possessed sensory organs and cranial structures that differ significantly from any known species on Earth.



 

And you're an adult of advanced years too. Wow.

Quote from: cascoly on September 01, 2023, 15:06

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Historic Discovery: Fossilized Extraterrestrial Head Unearthed in Oregon

Seattle, 31 August 2023 � In a groundbreaking moment for the scientific community and space enthusiasts alike, a team of researchers from the Discovery Institute in Seattle has uncovered an astonishing artifact: the fossilized head of an extraterrestrial being. The discovery promises to reshape our understanding of the cosmos and ignite new discussions about life beyond Earth.

I believe this was an attempt at humor or ridicule. Fascinating.
A for effort. F for the content.

thanks, i figured this might raise the quality of a constant rain of drivel, hearsay & other pseudo-science posted here. at least i have a nice rock i can place in my garden w legitimate Oregon fossils. besides it only took a few minutes to get a draft from ChatGPT to write my 'press release'

Quote from: LDV81 on September 04, 2023, 16:15

Quote from: cascoly on September 01, 2023, 15:06

FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE

Historic Discovery: Fossilized Extraterrestrial Head Unearthed in Oregon

Seattle, 31 August 2023 � In a groundbreaking moment for the scientific community and space enthusiasts alike, a team of researchers from the Discovery Institute in Seattle has uncovered an astonishing artifact: the fossilized head of an extraterrestrial being. The discovery promises to reshape our understanding of the cosmos and ignite new discussions about life beyond Earth.

I believe this was an attempt at humor or ridicule. Fascinating.
A for effort. F for the content.

thanks, i figured this might raise the quality of a constant rain of drivel, hearsay & other pseudo-science posted here. at least i have a nice rock i can place in my garden w legitimate Oregon fossils. besides it only took a few minutes to get a draft from ChatGPT to write my 'press release'

Unfortunately you've failed spectacularly and merely contaminated the drivel with a rather large dollop of ego.

This constant rain is easily avoided isn't it? Are we dealing with some form of home invasion where persons unknown have you, bound and gagged to a chair constantly hitting refresh to make you watch. Or is it some pedestrian pebble fetish you need to share. Clearly you have zero interest in this thread. Like less than zero. And only post to dilute the thread and attempt to start arguments. A grown arse man. I'm genuinely fascinated. That takes determination and valuable time. You really have to work at that sh#t. I mean lol its wierd but ok 🤣 👍

Things suddenly accelerated. There has been significant pushback from the Pentagon and elements (Mike Turner) within Congress. Turner's patch contains Wright Patterson AFB and all the major government defence contractors contribute to his campaign. So it has left the Grusch issue to hang.
No one has as yet gotten Grusch in a scif since his testimony in public. Which is odd because he's offered to walk people up to the doors where the craft are held as long as they give themselves the clearances required. Turner has fought for no more hearings at all and certainly no more public hearings.

If you're an American and you want to apply pressure there is a proformas you can complete and directly contact your local congressional representative. It's your money they are giving away to this. Make it worth it. Because ifnyou don't, or even if you do and they don't listen ....

https://twitter.com/MetaStudioLogic/status/1699210034666971230?s=20

it's going to go another way apparently. Here James Fox explains how.

So .... The Mexican government had their UAP hearings a few hours ago. It was all going smoothly when after hearing from Ryan Graves and watching some Mexican military recorded UAP activity they decided to show what had been sitting in a couple of boxes on the presentation table.

Dead Aliens. And I ain't even joking. Just thumped them out there on the table. Along with their experts and the result of a tonne of tests. They were found in Nasca in 2017 and have been carbon dated to around 1000 years. No translation of the hearings which were broadcast in Mexican has been uploaded yet but .... lol ... just wow.

https://youtu.be/4HUB1rvVej4?feature=shared


but .... isn't there always a but ... around the time they were discovered there were others that have allegedly been proven to be completely fake. And the Mexican government produced these at the hearings as real... yet they feature in this horrendous, toe curling, dire debunking video. Along with others.

https://youtu.be/-DmDHF6jN9A?feature=shared

So it comes down to who do you believe. The scientific community of Mexico or ... utuber who explains where he got that its fake from.

Enjoy