Quote from: Big Toe on November 08, 2023, 16:03

There is no such thing as a prehuman race related to lizards.

What do you think they are? I thought these mummies had been debunked. Then it transpired these were not the amalgamated ones. Now none of them appear to be. So what are they?

I have not spend a lot of time reading up on them, but from what I have read, it still seems to be the most likely that they are some kind of fraud.

They are definitely not pre-humans related to lizards, though.

Humans and lizards are on different branches of the land vertebrate evolutionary tree. Humans are mammals and so are all pre-humans.

Lizards are usually categorized as reptiles (although that is a paraphyletic group). They are more closely related to birds than to mammals.

Quote from: Lowls on November 08, 2023, 17:30

Quote from: Big Toe on November 08, 2023, 16:03

There is no such thing as a prehuman race related to lizards.

What do you think they are? I thought these mummies had been debunked. Then it transpired these were not the amalgamated ones. Now none of them appear to be. So what are they?

I have not spend a lot of time reading up on them, but from what I have read, it still seems to be the most likely that they are some kind of fraud.

They are definitely not pre-humans related to lizards, though.

Humans and lizards are on different branches of the land vertebrate evolutionary tree. Humans are mammals and so are all pre-humans.

Lizards are usually categorized as reptiles (although that is a paraphyletic group). They are more closely related to birds than to mammals.

The fraud claim came from a single utube clip. That's all it took. And from some time ago and took on a life of its own. Jamie Musshain is actually apprently a very good rigorous reporter but has become less reliable because of that video and his claims now.

These new medical examinations follow on from previous ones which although doen live were literally laughed at by American news outlets because they were "mexicans" ... just lovely. Nice bit of racism. Well we shall have to see where it goes.

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These new medical examinations follow on from previous ones which although doen live were literally laughed at by American news outlets because they were "mexicans" ... just lovely. Nice bit of racism. Well we shall have to see where it goes.

please show references where this occurred

the results were laughed at because they were nonsense, not for any racial bias

Sean Kirkpatrick head of AARO until next month at least has given an off camera round table

After affirming that he has attempted to interview David Grusch several times and been declined (a claim David Grusch denies strongly as does his lawyer) he goes on give more information obtained from those he believes David Grusch may have obtained his claimed information from ...

Q: One quick follow up question. So, you said you think you've all talked to the same people David Grusch did. Are you able to expand on that? What did they share with you all?

DR. KIRKPATRICK: No. For a variety of reasons, so we -- we, obviously, we are obligated to protect all these people's identities for � for all kinds of reasons. What they are reporting, we are documenting. They are reviewing and then revalidating that this is what they want to say. We then research all of that collectively. There is a � there is a, if you think of it as a story arc, there's a number of people that kind of fit into this story arc.

But then there's these little offshoots and variations on themes. We're investigating each and every one of them. We're cross-referencing those. There are some bits of information that are turning out to be things and events that really happened. A lot of it is still under review, and we're putting all that together into our historical report.

Not vague at all but assuming he means in the context of the congressional hearings under oath it doesn't leave much that wasn't extraordinary to pick from aside from funneling money off for black projects which wouldn't be under the congressional oversight because that funnelled funding went to private defence contractors.

We shall see and fairly soon I believe.

Details here https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcripts/Transcript/Article/3575588/aaro-director-dr-sean-kirkpatrick-holds-an-off-camera-media-roundtable/

Quote from: Lowls on November 09, 2023, 05:58

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These new medical examinations follow on from previous ones which although doen live were literally laughed at by American news outlets because they were "mexicans" ... just lovely. Nice bit of racism. Well we shall have to see where it goes.

please show references where this occurred

the results were laughed at because they were nonsense, not for any racial bias

Another important congressional investigation. A congressman is calling for a federal investigation of Warner Bros. for its handling of Coyote vs. Acme.

in less than 72 hours Senater Schumers amendment is due to be either passed or thrown out. It is a brutal amendment and requires any and all to make known what they hold regarding UAP - material, bodies, evidence, retrieved craft and so on. The wording of the amendment leaves almost zero wiggle room. It has been swiftly going through the various stages being pushed along by a large group of senators who want to know the truth.

However senator Mike Turner who's campaign funds are made up of mostly all the military contractors like Lockhead Martin (known to be in possession of at least one craft) and other major defence contractors, had privately been running around attempting to get the amendment thrown out. When this was made public earlier this year he was exposed and forced to go on camera to call it all nonsense.

But despite his claim he has renewed his efforts to prevent the amendment being passed and is fighting tooth and nail to get it thrown out. If there was no truth to the amendment it wouldn't matter if it passed. And yet he is determined to get it thrown out.

These are the last hours you have to contact your senators and let them know how you feel. If the amendment doesn't pass black budget money will be funnelled with zero congressional oversight. None.

This from Chris Mellon -

So the Schumer amendment is floating in a void at present.
After rumours that Mitch McConnell has been running around claiming the bill is a dead duck suddenly certain congresspeople have risen up to make their stance known.

Those who are deeply opposed and allegedly running around trying to turn the tide to have the amendment thrown out:

Mitch McConnell - Senate Minority Leader

Mike Turner - House Intelligence Chair (Ohio) and home of Write Patterson AFB which is the location  for many of the rumours of retrieved craft being housed there along with "biologics"

Mike Rogers - United States Representative

Mike Johnson - Speaker of the United States House of Representatives

But despite the pushback they are trying to garner more senators are also making their voices heard following contact from their constituents. And it doesn't help that this information is freely available. Senator Mike Turner receives significant funding from aerospace organisations who have allegedly been given retrieved crashed UAP for analysis and have done for years.

It isnt a great look when you are trying to destroy a piece of proposed legislation which would force organisations to hand over crashed craft and biologics and data to the US government when those same organisations fund you. And yet that's what's going down.

It looks as though the eminent domain part of the disclosure act may be being removed.

Mike Turners funding

Senator Schumers UAP disclosure act remains but has been neutered by Mike Turner and colleagues.

Eminant Domain - stripped
Civilian review board of UAP material held - stripped
Subpoena power for non compliant bodies and people - stripped

This has rendered the language of the amendment impotent to a great degree and now the question being asked is "if there is nothing to this why has Turner and crew fought to remove the parts of the amendment that can help them prove that there are no craft held or back engineering programmes.

Danny Sheehan discusses the outcome- https://youtu.be/A5BihKg2mOs?feature=shared

following the failure of the Schumer Rounds ammendment to make it through in its entirety (factually made impotent) those calling for disclosure have been left realising that this is no longer a cover up. But an open secret in the halls of power and among the media with zero ability to expose anything for fear that the truth is something so terrible that we can't handle it. Some speculate that this can only mean we are some form of resource like vitamins or cattle. And increasingly the wording being used is implying this more and more. And that the technologies involved are so advanced as to render us or our abilities to stop it happening - pointless. Many who have fought tooth and nail for truth seem to have backed right off. Not only have they gone silent but they have literally begun posting completely opposing positions. Defending the actions of those senators who have thwarted this bill. In less than two weeks. Coulthart, delonge, corbell and Knapp. Whatever they have learned isn't good. They aren't dropping it as if they had learned its all a shame and don't want to sink with it. They are backing off and u-turning regarding the secrecy.

But it's running away with itself with even main stream media smelling blood.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/16/opinion/ufo-whistleblowers-government.html

Quote from: Lowls on December 19, 2023, 02:14

Some speculate that this can only mean we are some form of resource like vitamins or cattle.

I would think they could find something much more nutritious and tasty than us.  Maybe there are just no cards to show...

Have ro wait and see what January brings. If the hype is to be believed its going to be rather shocking. But what is shocking?

Would it be shocking that we are being visited. Or that we are being abducted. Or that there is growing concern that there is a increasing number of 'spheres' being logged around the world by military forces. This is a fact that Kirkpatrick admitted and is a matter of record. They appear to be probes. They are being witnessed by all nations. None seem to know the source and claim it isnt theirs. They can't be caught, or shot down. Although other craft have been. Alaska being the latest well known craft.

What would shock the human race to panic. The answer is unknown and this is being given as a reason for the secrecy but it is now widely known that whatever timetable there was has been significantly moved up. Danny Sheehan believes this will resolve in the next 10 years which personally I do not believe.

It cannot take that long given the extreme releases and claims over the last 6 months. Unchallenged as well. Encouraged in fact. This points to a significantly shorter time frame and at best full disclosure at that rate means 2024. Certainly enough that the populace will be left in no doubt that there are others out there. Other races.

Unless a couple of books can be squeezed out of it in the meantime by the usual suspects that is. But increasingly I think Grusch is going to decide to just rip off the bandaid. I hope so.

Quote from: Lowls on December 31, 2023, 05:35

Would it be shocking that we are being visited. Or that we are being abducted. Or that there is growing concern that there is a increasing number of 'spheres' being logged around the world by military forces. This is a fact that Kirkpatrick admitted and is a matter of record. They appear to be probes. They are being witnessed by all nations. None seem to know the source and claim it isnt theirs. They can't be caught, or shot down. Although other craft have been. Alaska being the latest well known craft.

Let's hope it's not the Daleks. Although in that case, I am sure the Doctor would help out yet again.

Only Tom Baker has the panache to pull off a 2024 fight for humanity. If its Sylvesta McCoy we're screwed.

Quote from: Big Toe on December 31, 2023, 10:39

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Let's hope it's not the Daleks. Although in that case, I am sure the Doctor would help out yet again.

yet we have decades of video evidence of the dalek as existence which make them much more likely than other ET to be out there. is there a Dr in the  house/tardis?

Well we are well and truly beyond 'if'. I now no longer have the luxury of 'if'

'out there' appears to be the fuzzy point because those in the know are hinting at from other dimensional planes being more likely. At which point I suspended belief 😕