Here is Daniel Sheehan speaking about initially the lead up to disclosure and to the present day with quite a good timeline of events condensed I to the first 30 minutes and then questions follow from the Interviewer.

https://youtu.be/iMRynvlb5EY?feature=shared

Daniel Sheehan is a lawyer involved in many significant historical events.

Quote from: Lowls on December 31, 2023, 05:35

Would it be shocking that we are being visited. Or that we are being abducted. Or that there is growing concern that there is a increasing number of 'spheres' being logged around the world by military forces.

I think conclusive proof of either one of those would be quite shocking.  I hadn't heard much about the "spheres" you mentioned so looked it up and found this from last June (https://thehill.com/opinion/national-security/4030026-us-military-has-been-observing-metallic-orbs-making-extraordinary-maneuvers/).  Not sure if you have posted this previously.  The video linked to the article is not very convincing - very blurry - but these objects seem to have been detected by different types of sensors so definitely real.  No proof that they are extraterrestrial but certainly something interesting that needs an explanation.

No, no proof that they are extra terrestrial in origin at all that I have seen. And the one that was made public/leaked was the Mosul Orb. Filmed from a military drone if memory serves. Though this first surfaced and was dismissed by all until last year. As it is now we watched ARRO, headed up then by Sean Kirkpatrick, reporting to congress and explaining about the numerous reports of these spheres whilst showing the leaked video to them.

Senator Robert Garcia exits the congressional briefing by the Intelligence Community Inspector General on UAP

It's a serious National Security issue and he thinks disclosure and transparency are important but he can't say what happened in the restricted briefing  😆 🤣

But whatever he was told/shown its a National Security issue and disclosure is important - 👍 got ya.

https://x.com/JCliff_Scoops/status/1745871810443280719?s=20

After the SCIF, Burchett says "Grusch is legit":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CEQNq0HkyFc

Rep. Moskovitz: "Based on what we heard many of Grusch claims have merit!"
https://twitter.com/JaredEMoskowitz/status/1745852400630456618

Rep. Luna: �Grusch never said �extraterrestrial,� he said �interdimensional.� There is a movement to prevent us from finding out more information�
https://www.reddit.com/r/UFOs/comments/194zbl8/rep_luna_grusch_never_said_extraterrestrial_he/

Have they been briefed about "something that doesn't exist"? Or are we pretty darn close to the actual disclosure?

1966 - Hynek receives a phone call from the government and is forced to lie to the public that the sightings were "swamp gas". Hynek was a skeptic who became a believer after his research
2017 - Pentagon confirms that some UAPs are real, not hallucinations and not hoaxes. And not "swamp gas".
2023 - Grusch says there is a reverse-engineering program, there are NHI and that has been going on for many decades
2024 - Inspector General must have seen the evidence provided by Grusch, Congressmen are presented information from the IG and say that Grusch is not a lunatic or a liar

THESE ARE FACTS.

There is a point of origin: "the lie about swamp gas" - and there is a direction in which new events unfold - based on that trajectory we can try to extrapolate where the story is heading. I picked the point of origin arbitrarily - but that event confirms that the government really knew something more and tried to cover it up.

I assume that "many of Grusch's claims have merit" is an understatement, due to the fact that the info is classified. If even some of Grusch's claims were true, then it is really big. If what Grusch said was BS, I don't think they would be dealing with it the way they are doing it.

I suppose the denialist worldview is about to crumble like a house of cards.
Perhaps things will get "woo"...

Another phony pseudoscience story is deflated. Pop go the aliens.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/they-are-not-aliens-peru-officials-debunk-claims-that-figures-are-extraterrestrials/ar-AA1mTjPM?OCID=ansmsnnews11
"The conclusion is simple: they are dolls assembled with bones of animals from this planet, with modern synthetic glues, therefore they were not assembled during pre-Hispanic times," Estrada said. "They are not extraterrestrials; they are not aliens."

Quote from: LDV81 on January 12, 2024, 15:03

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I assume that "many of Grusch's claims have merit" is an understatement, due to the fact that the info is classified. If even some of Grusch's claims were true, then it is really big. If what Grusch said was BS, I don't think they would be dealing with it the way they are doing it.
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there are many reasons info is classified. first the use of classified has metastasized, and many dox being declassified should never have been so, but there are also concerns that info would disclose security capabilities, etc.  dox repeating info published by major newspapers & blogs have also been classified.

conclusion - classification does not imply conspiracy to hide results or even dox having significant new info.

That is not the point. I see the statement "many of Grusch's claims have merit" as a likely understatement. As the briefing was in a SCIF, they are probably not allowed to discuss it in detail. Saying "pretty much everything that Grusch said is true" would reveal too much, and Moskovitz was not allowed to do so. So, a general statement like that, without going into details, is actually pretty big, especially as they will definitely continue to investigate the matter. Perhaps they have got names and addresses and were presented evidence. If it was BS, it would have been simply dismissed and the case would have been closed.

The heck, even if only some part of Grusch's claims are true, it is a gamechanger, and the denialist worldview crumbles like a house of cards.

There is a very big sway towards interdimensional. It seems to be being bandied about more and more. I'm not there on that one but it is concerning to see it more and more. Just another race seems inevitable but one or many that can open portals or doorways into our world seems incorrect.

From Northrop Grumman:

https://now.northropgrumman.com/do-doors-to-interdimensional-travel-exist

Background information from Wikipedia for those who don't know Northrop Grumman:

Northrop Grumman Corporation is an American multinational aerospace and defense technology company. With 95,000 employees and an annual revenue in excess of $30 billion, it is one of the world's largest weapons manufacturers and military technology providers.

Quote from: Lowls on January 12, 2024, 18:07

There is a very big sway towards interdimensional. It seems to be being bandied about more and more. I'm not there on that one but it is concerning to see it more and more. Just another race seems inevitable but one or many that can open portals or doorways into our world seems incorrect.

From Northrop Grumman:

https://now.northropgrumman.com/do-doors-to-interdimensional-travel-exist

Background information from Wikipedia for those who don't know Northrop Grumman:

Northrop Grumman Corporation is an American multinational aerospace and defense technology company. With 95,000 employees and an annual revenue in excess of $30 billion, it is one of the world's largest weapons manufacturers and military technology providers.

Good to know that there are peole at Northrop Grumman with a sense of humour.

Quote from your link:

"Instructions on how to make a multiverse portal are, sadly, a bit disappointing (they're for a computer game module). But interdimensional portals also turn out to be a subject of interest for many websites dealing with religion and mysticism.

And, according to Britain's Guardian newspaper, London has gained a reputation as the Grand Central Station � or at least the Clapham Junction � of interdimensional travel. Portals are popping up all over town, and a mysterious blog is keeping tabs on them."

In the more serious part of the article they quote a phsicist who believes it may be possible to survive interdimensional travel through a black hole that is large enough, like the one in the center of our galaxy.

The distance to the center of the galaxy is about 26,000 light years. As you may know from Star Trek Voyager, even at Warp 9 you would need several decades to travel this distance. Since a warp drive is unfortunatly impossible, aliens would have to travel at sublight speed, so it would take them more than 26,000 years to cover the distance.

So, aliens visiting us from another dimension would have to travel to a black hole on their side, somehow avoid being crushed by the other matter falling into the hole or torn into parts by the tidal forces caused by the gravity, then arrive at the black hole on our side, somehow escape the event horizon and again avoid being crushed or torn apart and then travel at least for 26,000 years in order to get to our solar system.   

So, no, interdimensional travel does not really make it any easier for aliens to visit us. At least not according to the physicist cited in the article.

Quote from: LDV81 on January 13, 2024, 14:09

Quote from: alan b traehern on January 13, 2024, 11:10

Another phony pseudoscience story is deflated. Pop go the aliens.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/they-are-not-aliens-peru-officials-debunk-claims-that-figures-are-extraterrestrials/ar-AA1mTjPM?OCID=ansmsnnews11
"The conclusion is simple: they are dolls assembled with bones of animals from this planet, with modern synthetic glues, therefore they were not assembled during pre-Hispanic times," Estrada said. "They are not extraterrestrials; they are not aliens."

In the light of the recent events, that story and your post are COMPLETELY IRRELEVANT and uninteresting. Red herring.
In other news, yesterday it didn't snow in Morocco.

I thought you would be against lies, deception and coverup. Instead you try to defend the science fiction fantasy, fake news about alien bodies. This is over but another claim or fake will replace it. There are no alien corpses, no photos, no evidence, every. It is completely relevant to the UFO alien cult that will believe any trash fake news and spread it like it's real. Don't you have any integrity or standards in your search for the truth?

I suggest you sharpen your reading-with-understanding skills and work on logical reasoning.

You have built a strawman and now you are burning it. Where did I write that the mummies were real? Did any of the serious people working in the field (Nolan, Elizondo, Grusch, Mellon, Coulthard) even picked up the story? No, they avoided it, perhaps because they knew it was a distraction. Who cares about the dolls when there is Grusch?

"in the light of recent events" = an investigator working for the US government had made some very serious and specific claims about a cover-up and more. On Friday, the Inspector General informed the Congress Committee about his findings based on the evidence provided to him by Grusch. After the briefing, Congressmen said "Grusch is legit", "Grusch's claims have merit".

And that is the real story, not some mummies. The briefing is a FACT. It is a scandal that many mainstream media chose to cover the mummies and remained silent about the implications of the briefing. You pick some facts that fit into your denialist worldview and choose not to see the real story.

You have swallowed the red herring that most likely was thrown to the denialist crowd as a distraction. Bon app�tit.

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The heck, even if only some part of Grusch's claims are true, it is a gamechanger, and the denialist worldview crumbles like a house of cards.

not sure who you're referring to as 'denialists', but  those critiquing here have never said there are no ET just that no conclusiive evidence has been presented yet. 

Quote from: LDV81 on January 13, 2024, 18:34

Quote from: Lowls on January 12, 2024, 18:07

There is a very big sway towards interdimensional. It seems to be being bandied about more and more. I'm not there on that one but it is concerning to see it more and more. Just another race seems inevitable but one or many that can open portals or doorways into our world seems incorrect.

From Northrop Grumman:

https://now.northropgrumman.com/do-doors-to-interdimensional-travel-exist

Background information from Wikipedia for those who don't know Northrop Grumman:

Northrop Grumman Corporation is an American multinational aerospace and defense technology company. With 95,000 employees and an annual revenue in excess of $30 billion, it is one of the world's largest weapons manufacturers and military technology providers.

now here's a red herring!    - if you bothered to, look at the 'about' page you'd find The content on this site doesn�t necessarily reflect the views of Northrop Grumman.

and the actual article just reviews current thinking about the POSSIBILITY, and that's for gravitational influences, not wormholes or blackhole transports

nothing new here & no connectin with UFO

Oh, for crying out loud, linking to a page doesn't necessarily mean endorsement. As the inter-dimensional hypothesis had been mentioned, I thought it was interesting that people writing for Northrop Grumman contemplate such ideas. The inter-dimensional hypothesis in the context of UFOs may mean several things. But exploring such possibilities requires leaving Plato's Cave, or rejecting the blue pill.

And instead of nitpicking, you might also address the gigantic elephant in the room, which is Friday's briefing with Inspector General.

Quote from: cascoly on January 14, 2024, 18:07

Quote from: LDV81 on January 13, 2024, 14:07

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The heck, even if only some part of Grusch's claims are true, it is a gamechanger, and the denialist worldview crumbles like a house of cards.

not sure who you're referring to as 'denialists', but  those critiquing here have never said there are no ET just that no conclusiive evidence has been presented yet.

No you and others have repeatedly called it nonsense, make believe, and worse whilst denigrating the evidence and testimony given by serving military and civilian alike.

Which is why when you see this reported and investigated you'll see they always turn to you, Pete and gang for advice and confirmation instead of experts military or otherwise. Your name crops up regularly along with Petes and Annie's and all the other denialists that have contributed regularly here. Thank goodness we have you.

always rely on you for name calling in place of facts - we do call out nonsense & misdirection - but we don't deny the possibilities - and we call the claims nonsense, not the claimers

Quote from: cascoly on January 14, 2024, 18:07

Quote from: LDV81 on January 13, 2024, 14:07

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The heck, even if only some part of Grusch's claims are true, it is a gamechanger, and the denialist worldview crumbles like a house of cards.

not sure who you're referring to as 'denialists', but  those critiquing here have never said there are no ET just that no conclusiive evidence has been presented yet.

No you and others have repeatedly called it nonsense, make believe, and worse whilst denigrating the evidence and testimony given by serving military and civilian alike.

Which is why when you see this reported and investigated you'll see they always turn to you, Pete and gang for advice and confirmation instead of experts military or otherwise. Your name crops up regularly along with Petes and Annie's and all the other denialists that have contributed regularly here. Thank goodness we have you.

The little girl has soiled her nappy again, maybe you should check with the doctor for that frothing at the mouth and drooling problem. Something here smells like a pile of hot dung.