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« Reply #50 on: June 25, 2016, 09:10 »
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I don't want to get into a debate - had enough of that already. But this morning I was in Sainsbury's buying provisions and was helped with a couple of essentials by a lovely Polish girl. I know there are various reasons and arguments flying about on both sides but I feel ashamed of what we've done and I can't shake it off.

I am saddened too about the fear and doubt  that this is causing. Much of this is due to the hysterical scaremongering I have no doubt when it settles down she may well still be working in the supermarket. It was only ever about controlled immigration but that seems to be lost in the noise.


« Reply #51 on: June 25, 2016, 09:16 »
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It wasn't at all about immigration for me. It was about democracy and sovereignty.

I doubt this will make a lot of difference to overall immigration numbers. Maybe it will mean more people from India, Pakistan and Africa and less from other EU countries, maybe it will be the same as before.

Not an issue for me. What is an issue is that the electorate cannot control, for example, having a national railway, having a national health service, removing VAT from fuel, and on and on. And I guess immigration as well. Even if I am for free movement, we the people should be able to vote for or against it rather than having it as a non-negotiable part of being in a superstate.

Mr Nobody

« Reply #52 on: June 25, 2016, 09:30 »
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This topic was about the international economy effecting our micro stock business. Not about Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Stalin, or Mao Zedong.

Some mention about Alamy and other companies that reside in England will be effected- thank you for that information.  It will be interesting to see how our business pans out the rest of the year.
 8)

« Reply #53 on: June 25, 2016, 09:33 »
+2
Well, to answer the original question, this was the worst Friday for me in years in terms of sales. Fotolia was particularly bad, but SS was awful as well.

Hey someone actually addressed my question  ;)

I'll chip in  :). It was a regular Friday for me.

« Reply #54 on: June 25, 2016, 09:51 »
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This topic was about the international economy effecting our micro stock business. Not about Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Stalin, or Mao Zedong.

Some mention about Alamy and other companies that reside in England will be effected- thank you for that information.  It will be interesting to see how our business pans out the rest of the year.
 8)

You're right. If you are in the UK you just got a big temporary pay rise as most of our income is in dollars which get us more GBPs until the market settles. Longer term anything could happen.

« Reply #55 on: June 25, 2016, 10:11 »
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Some mention about Alamy and other companies that reside in England will be effected- thank you for that information.  It will be interesting to see how our business pans out the rest of the year.
 8)
You're welcome, glad somebody actually noticed  ;D

« Reply #56 on: June 25, 2016, 11:31 »
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I hope that EU 2.0 addresses the major grievances and that the UK returns.  A union is clearly the best direction for the future - the economic advantages alone are very large.  It's unfortunate that the Greek and Syrian crises happened when they did, causing the breakup.   I'd call it a divorce brought on by disagreement over how to deal with some very problematic children.

« Reply #57 on: June 25, 2016, 14:11 »
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The UK will be fine as they have been for centuries. When a country like Britain have to the will and determination to be succeed, they will find a way to work things out.

The UK look at Switzerland as a model of economic prosperity outside of the EU. They want to have free trade and they want control of their own resources. They don't want regulations holding them back. The only hiccup I see is the EU possibility retaliating against the UK for exit. They'll find a way with their regulations and protectionism to slow down trade between the UK and the EU, but it just means the the UK will have to deal with Asia & the US a bit more.

As for the impact on the MS business, it probably did on Friday. I know that some people were watching the market and worrying about their stock portfolio instead of working. It wasn't a big impact and I see things going back to normal on Monday. Next week will be a slower week than usual because of Independence Day in the US.

« Reply #58 on: June 25, 2016, 14:37 »
+3
The UK imports way more than it exports so the EU will be worrying about our trade going elsewhere instead of Europe. In 10 or 20 years time our children will be thanking us for this decision. I know it will be difficult in the next 5 - 10 years but I'd prefer to be poor living in a democracy rather than rich in a dictatorship.

On the plus side with the low exchange rate I'll be making an extra 150 -200 per month!

« Reply #59 on: June 26, 2016, 02:34 »
+2
A drop in the pound is a good thing for Britain it means that their exports to other countries will be cheaper and thus more sales for England, that is why the USA and China are always trying to devalue their currency. Every currency is rushing for the bottom and poor Japan is trying to devalue theirs but everyone keeps jumping into theirs as a safe haven thus keeping them in a permanent recession.

Englands exit will bring back jobs to them and more income not to mention national pride, rights and less bureaucracy!
A drop in the pound isn't good because it makes almost everything cost more.  I like getting more money when I change dollars to pounds but it will all go on more expensive fuel, food, clothes and worst of all, photographic equipment.

« Reply #60 on: June 26, 2016, 02:51 »
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I think if the EU had allowed an upper limit of 100,000 a year difference between UK citizens leaving to live in EU countries and EU citizens coming to live in the UK, the vote would of gone the other way.

I blame our UK governments for not building enough schools, hospitals and houses but the EU didn't want us enough to make a reasonable compromise.  I would still rather we stayed in but I can see why so many people voted to leave.

« Reply #61 on: June 26, 2016, 03:14 »
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Great Britain, welcome to the club of happy and successful countries, like Norway, Switzerland, Iceland!

« Reply #62 on: June 26, 2016, 03:22 »
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.

Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results

« Reply #63 on: June 26, 2016, 03:43 »
+6
As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.

Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results

That would be all the 16 -17 years old's searching then. I'm a dad of 3 young Children and I'm really happy of the decision as we will grow a stronger country for them instead of the crazy red tape we need to go through now.
It's not as if were going to be vanquished from the face of the earth. We still need Europe and Europe needs us, just not the political machine state it's turned out to be.

Think it's stupid laws like this that really got on peoples nerves from the electorates from the EU who we couldn't and didn't elect for...
We are not allowed to buy bent bananas

We are not allowed to buy 100w bulbs

We are not allowed to make and sell hovercrafts to countries were it could save peoples lives as the EU see's it not as a boat

We are not allowed to buy powerful vacuum cleaners

We can't buy eggs by the dozen (must be via weight)

And the list goes on and on and on and on and .................

The EU brought in good laws too, don't get me wrong but common!!!!! We couldn't take anymore B*llsh*t.

« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 03:56 by Cider Apple »

« Reply #64 on: June 26, 2016, 03:56 »
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Young people don't stay young forever. Old people were young too once. The older generations still remember what it was to be young. Young people have no idea what it is to have the life experience of an older person. Just because someone votes one way when they are 20 doesn't mean they would vote that way when they are 50 or even 30. How many people in their middle age would trust their 20 year old self to make a decision that will have an impact on the rest of their life? If you haven't gained any more insight into what's important in the intervening decades I would question what you had done with your time.

« Reply #65 on: June 26, 2016, 05:01 »
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.

Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results

It's not a disgrace it's democracy, the UK allows people to vote from the age of majority which is 18.

By your arguement why not let 5 to 15 year olds vote too?

As to 75 year old people voting well thats democracy they have the right to vote too.

Since when has it ever, ever been a problem until this vote?

To suggest otherwise is a totalitarian mentality.

18 is also very popular world wide see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_age#Voting_ages_around_the_world

So your arguement carries no weight and is nonsensical

« Last Edit: June 26, 2016, 05:03 by Teddy the Cat »

« Reply #66 on: June 26, 2016, 05:06 »
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The funny thing is that the regions voting for Brexit are the poor regions in England and Wales, regions which are getting subsidies from EU. I guess they have to suffer for their own choice.
Comparing the UK with Norway and Switzerland is not smart since both countries are far richer than the UK. Excluding London the UK is only at 80% of the average wages in EU which is lower now thanks to the weak pound. Iceland can't jiin the EU because of the EU fishing regulations. Fishing is a huge industry which they won't give up. It's all about the territorial fishing waters if you want to know more about it

« Reply #67 on: June 26, 2016, 05:29 »
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Norway and Switzerland outside and richer hmm that tells me something. Yep exclude London which is about 15% of the population and that skews all the stats...perhaps you can do the same with Paris and Berlin?

ShadySue

« Reply #68 on: June 26, 2016, 05:40 »
+2
Well, to answer the original question, this was the worst Friday for me in years in terms of sales. Fotolia was particularly bad, but SS was awful as well.

Hey someone actually addressed my question  ;)

The plain fact is that no-one knows the answer any more than you do. Any relevant comments are just speculation.

« Reply #69 on: June 26, 2016, 05:52 »
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.

Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results

Yes a really sad day for all the young people that voted yes. The good thing.... all those oldies will be soon gone for good and wind might change direction again. Until then wish GB all the best.

« Reply #70 on: June 26, 2016, 06:10 »
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Norway and Switzerland outside and richer hmm that tells me something. Yep exclude London which is about 15% of the population and that skews all the stats...perhaps you can do the same with Paris and Berlin?
Even with London Norway and Switzerland are still richer.
Exclude Berlin would be flattering Germany's stats.
Anyway that's not the point.

ShadySue

« Reply #71 on: June 26, 2016, 06:20 »
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Although it seems that the desire to Remain decreased with age, everything I've seen shows that young people, under 25, were less likely to have voted.
However, I'm not sure any of those I've read is an authoratative source.
Anyone know of authorative figures for that? (Maybe they haven't been published yet).

Vide the comment in this post in which 16 and 17 yos turned out in larger numbers than 18-25yos in the Scottish Independence Referendum in 2014, speculatively because they were more likely to be living at home, so encouraged to vote by their parents.
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/12/many-16-17-year-olds-voted
And actually, a lot was done during the Indepedence Campaign to engage the young voters, with large events and hustings being organised especially for them.

« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2016, 06:41 »
+5
As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.

Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results

That would be all the 16 -17 years old's searching then. I'm a dad of 3 young Children and I'm really happy of the decision as we will grow a stronger country for them instead of the crazy red tape we need to go through now.
It's not as if were going to be vanquished from the face of the earth. We still need Europe and Europe needs us, just not the political machine state it's turned out to be.

Think it's stupid laws like this that really got on peoples nerves from the electorates from the EU who we couldn't and didn't elect for...
We are not allowed to buy bent bananas

We are not allowed to buy 100w bulbs

We are not allowed to make and sell hovercrafts to countries were it could save peoples lives as the EU see's it not as a boat

We are not allowed to buy powerful vacuum cleaners

We can't buy eggs by the dozen (must be via weight)

And the list goes on and on and on and on and .................

The EU brought in good laws too, don't get me wrong but common!!!!! We couldn't take anymore B*llsh*t.
That's just not true.  I can buy bent bananas, 100w light bulbs, a powerful vacuum cleaner and eggs by the dozen.  Some of these may have been EU laws but we either ignored them or they were dropped.  I wish people stuck to the truth, this is typical of the false information there is about the EU.

« Reply #73 on: June 26, 2016, 06:44 »
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.

Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results

Yes a really sad day for all the young people that voted yes. The good thing.... all those oldies will be soon gone for good and wind might change direction again. Until then wish GB all the best.

Check the voting stats the 18-25 year old block had the lowest turn out of any group they just couldn't be bothered to get out and vote.


So it's not an old versus young stitch up

But why let facts get in the way of a good story

« Reply #74 on: June 26, 2016, 08:13 »
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The funny thing is that the regions voting for Brexit are the poor regions in England and Wales, regions which are getting subsidies from EU. I guess they have to suffer for their own choice.
Comparing the UK with Norway and Switzerland is not smart since both countries are far richer than the UK. Excluding London the UK is only at 80% of the average wages in EU which is lower now thanks to the weak pound. Iceland can't jiin the EU because of the EU fishing regulations. Fishing is a huge industry which they won't give up. It's all about the territorial fishing waters if you want to know more about it

Regarding areas that benefit most from EU being most likely to vote to leave. That is almost always the case in these things. Same as in the US the states that benefit most from Federal funding hate the Federal government the most and vote for cuts. Whether that is because they are also the poorest people, so most need the aid and are therefore simultaneously the ones most being left behind and the ones benefiting the most from benefits or whether it is because people generally resent having to rely on handouts I don't know.

As far as Norway and Switzerland. Norway is a very special case, tiny country who's prosperity is almost entirely down to oil. Iceland also absolutely tiny. Switzerland, much smaller than the UK but there is some validity to the comparison. You can't dismiss it because Switzerland is more prosperous if the whole debate is about whether the UK can be prosperous outside the EU. Will you only accept comparison with countries that are failing outside the EU? if that's the case than the argument is sort of over before it begins isn't it?


 

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