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Huge market changes today! Rumors flying around that the entire EU may fold. Markets crashing thus will have some impact on our business :-\
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Huge market changes today! Rumors flying around that the entire EU may fold. Markets crashing thus will have some impact on our business :-\
Hats down to British people!!! ;D
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Brexit: The turkeys have voted for Christmas!
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Brexit: The turkeys have voted for Christmas!
No mate. The turkeys could see the way things were going, and have voted to leave the turkey farm and live free! ;D
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Seems to be bad already for the British, they can't exchange their currency and withdraw money outside the UK. British webshops closed down because of the British Pound crash.
Scotland seems to be pushing for independence again to stay in the EU, so does Northern Ireland and even the city of London ;D
For agencies in the UK this will mean that income in pounds has to be converted to US$ for pay out to contributors. Agencies will lose a lot of money if they don't lower the commission percentage or change their payout currency to British Pound and I'm looking at Alamy, Image Source, Robert Harding and others
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Brexit: The turkeys have voted for Christmas!
No mate. The turkeys could see the way things were going, and have voted to leave the turkey farm and live free! ;D
UK buys a lot more than it sells...maybe they can stop buying some foreign goods and make their own...
Oil and Scotch Whisky.
But if Scotland goes... or should ask to be excluded from the exit discussions with the EU, wishing to continue as a member of the EU. It might need to adopt the Euro as its currency.
Anyway, Now the EU dream scenario can come true: England out, Scotland in ;D
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I wonder who the little Englanders are going to blame for a possible recession and the loss of trade volume and jobs that will happen. They can't blame the EU anymore when they are out. So who's next? The Indians maybe? Or the Muslims? Immigrants in general?
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Brexit: The turkeys have voted for Christmas!
No mate. The turkeys could see the way things were going, and have voted to leave the turkey farm and live free! ;D
UK buys a lot more than it sells...maybe they can stop buying some foreign goods and make their own...
Oil and Scotch Whisky.
But if Scotland goes... or should ask to be excluded from the exit discussions with the EU, wishing to continue as a member of the EU. It might need to adopt the Euro as its currency.
Anyway, Now the EU dream scenario can come true: England out, Scotland in ;D
Indeed we do buy more than we sell. And we pay for it.
So the European countries aren't going to want to sell us anything now we're going to be out of the EU?
The "Common Market" was a good idea. The monster that the EU has become isn't IMO. Too many totally different interests there.
I was reading the other day about a survey where a lot of people in other EU countries would like their own exit referendum.
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I wonder who the little Englanders are going to blame for a possible recession and the loss of trade volume and jobs that will happen. They can't blame the EU anymore when they are out. So who's next? The Indians maybe? Or the Muslims? Immigrants in general?
You are asking that because trade goes just in one direction, and EU companies dont give a s..t about that market ?
I see that they have a pretty decent starting point in future negotiations with their GDP (nominal) per capita being high above the EU average ;)
Also Norway or Switzerland are doing pretty well without giving their sovereignty in hands of group of people never elected by no one, or if you prefer to call them by the name they gave them self ( European commission ). Compete print of the ex USSR model btw, and we all know how that ended ;)
Possible recession you say ? Well luckily there are other possibilities with equal, if not higher chances to happen ;)
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A drop in the pound is a good thing for Britain it means that their exports to other countries will be cheaper and thus more sales for England, that is why the USA and China are always trying to devalue their currency. Every currency is rushing for the bottom and poor Japan is trying to devalue theirs but everyone keeps jumping into theirs as a safe haven thus keeping them in a permanent recession.
Englands exit will bring back jobs to them and more income not to mention national pride, rights and less bureaucracy!
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The old, the stupid and the racist have just condemned the UK to a generation in the global wilderness. I'm English and I'm ashamed and embarrassed by our actions.
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The old, the stupid and the racist have just condemned the UK to a generation in the global wilderness. I'm English and I'm ashamed and embarrassed by our actions.
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A drop in the pound is a good thing for Britain it means that their exports to other countries will be cheaper and thus more sales for England, that is why the USA and China are always trying to devalue their currency. Every currency is rushing for the bottom and poor Japan is trying to devalue theirs but everyone keeps jumping into theirs as a safe haven thus keeping them in a permanent recession.
Englands exit will bring back jobs to them and more income not to mention national pride, rights and less bureaucracy!
True, a weak pound is good for the export, but since the UK has a huge trade deficit, the weak pound means the deficit is going to be bigger, since it's going to be a lot more expensive to import.
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I was reading the other day about a survey where a lot of people in other EU countries would like their own exit referendum.
It's been going on for a long time whenever people are unhappy about the EU or have to pay too much to the EU or the Euro makes everything more expensive.
And not only that, calls for independence in Scotland, Catalonia, Flanders to name a few has been going on for a long time as well.
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Not even the best analysts of the world can predict what will happen next. Too many potential and possible scenarios. Everything everybody is writing is 100% true. Weak pound - more export. Potential recession. Import vs. Export. Yes all very valid points.
What we all know for sure is that this is global market. GB voted to opt out of EU - stock market in Asia is crashing. Americans are going nuts about it. It is one large web that connects everything.
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I can't remember how they brought the Euro in. Did "the people" vote it in initially - or was it forced on them?
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I was reading the other day about a survey where a lot of people in other EU countries would like their own exit referendum.
It's been going on for a long time whenever people are unhappy about the EU or have to pay too much to the EU or the Euro makes everything more expensive.
And not only that, calls for independence in Scotland, Catalonia, Flanders to name a few has been going on for a long time as well.
Looks like some of the people in the other countries would like a vote too.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682966/EU-referendum-Brexit-France-calls-emergency-meeting-Francois-Hollande (http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/682966/EU-referendum-Brexit-France-calls-emergency-meeting-Francois-Hollande)
AT least part of the vote here in the UK was to tell politicians of all sorts that we'd had enough of them ignoring what most people wanted.
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The old, the stupid and the racist have just condemned the UK to a generation in the global wilderness. I'm English and I'm ashamed and embarrassed by our actions.
Well, thank you for calling the 52% majority old, stupid and racists and that includes me. How very narrow minded of you. What shall I call you and the 48%? I'll keep that to myself as I'm mature enough to not lash out.
BTW, I'm 100% English, my wife is Polish, yes I'm ageing at 44 years old but my PHD in Mathematics tells me I'm not stupid.
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The old, the stupid and the racist have just condemned the UK to a generation in the global wilderness. I'm English and I'm ashamed and embarrassed by our actions.
When you don't agree with someone just call them a racist.
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Scotland: we want independence from the UK, that's worth £46 billion a year to the Scottish economy.
Scotland: we want to remain in the EU, that's worth £16 billion a year to the Scottish economy.
What a mess!
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Back to the topic the short answer I think is probably not much. There's plenty of other places to debate the wider impact. Having said that the remain losers it turns out seem to be the narrow minded bigots who they claim to be so superior to. Most of the world isn't in the EU.
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People with no real idea of the issues involved would do well to read this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36617546 (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-eu-referendum-36617546)
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Just as life doesn't revolve around the US, the same goes for the UK and Europe. Life goes on regardless.
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The news media have been doing there best to make this the equivalent of a major asteroid impact that will end life on Earth. I don't buy it. The Brits who foolishly (IMHO) voted for this may certainly end up regretting it but I can't see this pulling the whole world into a recession. The financial world is smart enough to not rely on polls, they knew this could happen and no doubt hedged their bets.
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.
Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
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People in UK have their own imperial fantasies, and that's no bad, everyone has the right to have fantasies and to not be able to tell past from present. But UK is smaller and more little today. You'll get trouble with Scotland; you will lose exports and see the pound licking the ground; many financial, industrial services (hundred thousands of jobs) will flee to other countries, mainly Ireland. Actually, Ireland won the lotto yesterday.
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Scotland: we want independence from the UK, that's worth £46 billion a year to the Scottish economy.
Scotland: we want to remain in the EU, that's worth £16 billion a year to the Scottish economy.
What a mess!
Scottish agriculture is relying heavily on EU subsidies, without it I'm not so sure if the government is willing or able to help.
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With the oil industry being so fragile and unpredictable I can't ever see Scotland being independent. If it went independent 2 years ago the EU would be bailing it out today like Greece as oil prices have slumped. You can't keep an economy healthy when it's main asset is oil due to it's unpredictability. I don't think the EU will allow Scotland to be a member due to the reasons above. It's asking for trouble. The people of Scotland aren't thick too and they know this!
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.
Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
Errr, EU Parliament is directly elected by the people. Last election was 2014. If you chose not to vote, that's a different issue. But then don't complain about the EU parliament you got.
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.
Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
Errr, EU Parliament is directly elected by the people. Last election was 2014. If you chose not to vote, that's a different issue. But then don't complain about the EU parliament you got.
EU parliament its a joke in a first place!!!
On the other hand...
The European Commission (EC) is the executive body of the European Union responsible for proposing legislation, implementing decisions, upholding the EU treaties and managing the day-to-day business of the EU.
Did you have a chance to vote those people in and when ?
What democratic power do peoples of Europe have to vote those people out ?
They are being officially propose by EU Council...give me a break... that is exactly same model that was used in USSR or as its being used in North Korea now no matter how you call it.
Thats called dictatorship with or without you agree on that ;)
Definition: "Dictatorship is a form of government where a country (or group of countries) is ruled by one person or political entity, and exercised through various mechanisms to ensure the entity's power remains strong."
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I suspect the dream of Brexiters was a result around 49:51 but in favour of REMAIN, so that they continue and gather funds for the next referendum. I am not a Brit and don't follow the British politics closely, but does this Farage guy stand for anything else? Now, that they achieved Brexit, does he have anything to live for or fight for?
London, Edinburgh, Oxford, Cambridge and the major urban centers were in favour of remaining by a wide margin. It is a slight simplification, but does that mean that most people who can consider themselves successful in one way or another were pro-EU, and most of the Brexiters felt that they are less affluent or successful because of the EU? I think in the long run, the UK will do fine, but the most of those who will do well by then, are also those who are successful now. And those who blame the EU now, might pay the highest price and won't be much better off after a few years. I think they will lose much more. Just leaving the EU is not a solution or a cure for their issues. I suspect Farage and Johnson just manoeuvred themselves onto a minefield, which was not part of their plan. I don't think they have a clue 'what to do now'.
The EU might have many faults and might need serious reforms, but no matter how you look at it, it has brought an unprecedented long period of stability and peace and as a result of that also relative prosperity.
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I don't see how anyone who wants out of the EU is stupid or racist. It's a silly accusation that stems from emotion and less from logic.
I can see why the UK wants out of the EU and it makes a lot of sense. The EU is not exactly transparent on its policies and it's not very democratic. Some countries are shackled to their policies and they feel that they don't have a say. If Greece wasn't in the EU, they may be in a different position than they are today.
The EU has so much influence, it's almost scary. Heavy regulation, lack of transparency, anti-competition, protectionism and divvying up resources for its members. It works great for certain countries, but not great for countries who has certain things taken away. Britain sees the EU as a controlling empire that takes more than it gives back. Sure, Britain will suffer in the beginning, but in the long run, they'll learn to pick themselves up and sort out the mess.
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Some countries are shackled to their policies and they feel that they don't have a say. If Greece wasn't in the EU, they may be in a different position than they are today.
First of all, Greece shouldn't have faked their economic data in order to get into the EURO zone. They would be much better off with the drachma. Theoretically they could abandon euro now, devalue the drachma and become more competitive, but they won't do it, because their living standards would suffer big time...
They could also stop cheating their own state, retire at an older age... But no... It is EU's fault because it transfers billions of Euros earned by working people in other countries...
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Some countries are shackled to their policies and they feel that they don't have a say. If Greece wasn't in the EU, they may be in a different position than they are today.
First of all, Greece shouldn't have faked their economic data in order to get into the EURO zone. They would be much better off with the drachma. Theoretically they could abandon euro now, devalue the drachma and become more competitive, but they won't do it, because their living standards would suffer big time...
They could also stop cheating their own state, retire at an older age... But no... It is EU's fault because it transfers billions of Euros earned by working people in other countries...
I agree. Greece has much deeper problems than the EU. They enjoy their living standards way too much to give it up. If the leave the EU, they'll have to get off of their asses and work harder. If they're forced to do that, Greece could potentially prosper again in the future. At the current rate, Greece is going to be all over the news again in a few years when the bailout runs out.
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A drop in the pound is a good thing for Britain it means that their exports to other countries will be cheaper and thus more sales for England, that is why the USA and China are always trying to devalue their currency. Every currency is rushing for the bottom and poor Japan is trying to devalue theirs but everyone keeps jumping into theirs as a safe haven thus keeping them in a permanent recession.
A weak currency is good only if you actually manufacture something and export it (e.g. China, Japan, Germany). As far as I know, the British economy is dominated by the services and banking sectors. So, a weak currency is not a good thing for the average person when most things are imported.
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You'll get trouble with Scotland; you will lose exports and see the pound licking the ground; many financial, industrial services (hundred thousands of jobs) will flee to other countries, mainly Ireland. Actually, Ireland won the lotto yesterday.
It might be so, yes. If Ireland does much better economically than the UK, perhaps many people in Northern Ireland will want again to unite with the Republic. The EU and the effective removal of borders played an important role in the peace process in Northern Ireland.
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Well, to answer the original question, this was the worst Friday for me in years in terms of sales. Fotolia was particularly bad, but SS was awful as well.
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Well, hope all that "nationalist pride" was worth wiping 2 trillion off global markets in 24 hours and likely tipping world into another recession. Way to go Brexiters!
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Well, hope all that "nationalist pride" was worth wiping 2 trillion off global markets in 24 hours and likely tipping world into another recession. Way to go Brexiters!
It's not going to be that bad, there might be an economic slowdown, but recession is unlikely, except for the UK of course.
If you're in the market for real estate in London I would wait for a while, the prices are going down maybe 10% or more on top of the weaker pound.
UK is going to be in the picture as a cheap place for vacations, tourist industry might boom.
I would definitely not invest in the UK though.
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Ok, the EU isn't as transparent as it should be, impose heavy regulations etc. and some people might think this is unfair. But those people shouldn't be the brits.
I guess it's safe to say that the UK had a privileged place in the EU. While some countries have taken one for the team, accepted the regulations, taxes and policies, been to hell and back for the EU idea, the UK acted like they were located in the middle of the Atlantic. No team work, only threats and complaining.
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It all depends on London remaining the financial capital of Europe. If the banks, insurance companies, large portion of the stock exchange move to continental Europe, UKs done.
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interesting view of democracy
when majority of people decide something and someone don't like it, it's isnt democracy anymore, it's racism, old age and stupidity
can anything be more racist than that statement
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interesting view of democracy
when majority of people decide something and someone don't like it, it's isnt democracy anymore, it's racism, old age and stupidity
can anything be more racist than that statement
Ah, I see you think a majority of voters can't be old, stupid or racist.
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I think leaving the EU is a big mistake that will cost the UK dearly, economy-wise. The EU does have major bureaucratic flaws that need to be adressed, but leaving the EU is too drastic. It will have its short-term consequences for the British people. Nobody knows whether they will come out stronger or even recover, but the uncertainty alone makes the financial markets unstable for the time being. The British people will have to sit this out until negotiations with the EU and other countries are complete and the dust has settled.
One thing I do know is that Boris Johnson or Nigel Farage are not to be trusted, especially after admitting that the claim of spending 350 million pounds on the NHS was 'a mistake'.
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I wonder who the little Englanders are going to blame for a possible recession and the loss of trade volume and jobs that will happen. They can't blame the EU anymore when they are out. So who's next? The Indians maybe? Or the Muslims? Immigrants in general?
What a simplistic attitude you have, the little Englanders as you so scathingly put it made up 52.1% of the population, were heartily sick of the EU project run behind closed doors with no democratic accountability, paying 1/8th of the EU budget to get little in return, to have Merkel unilaterally making decisions which affected the entire EU.
You only have to see Juncker's reaction with his pissy faced response to realise the EU is not a democratic Europe it is a unelected cartel of 28 commisioners
On the whole the British are not racist they never sent anyone to a gas chamber and have sucked up all the Eastern Europeans and out of work Spanish and Italian kids coming here because there's no work in the southern EU countries.
The UK have taken in people and only complained about unlimited migration because of the lack of affordable housing the downward pressure on wages.
With a name like Fritz maybe you should check what's happening in Germany (burning of reugee accomodation and far right parties on the rise) before crowing about little Englanders
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People in UK have their own imperial fantasies, and that's no bad, everyone has the right to have fantasies and to not be able to tell past from present. But UK is smaller and more little today. You'll get trouble with Scotland; you will lose exports and see the pound licking the ground; many financial, industrial services (hundred thousands of jobs) will flee to other countries, mainly Ireland. Actually, Ireland won the lotto yesterday.
Says a person who obviously hasn't got a clue about the British and what they really think. No one has imperial fantasies. It's history.
Do the French, Germans, Belgians, Russians, Dutch and Italians have imperialist fantasies? Afterall they all had empires too and all violently kicked out of their empires.
At least the British left their empire peacefully and in good order and replaced it with a commonwealth of nations.
The British are fiercely independent though
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Reading all these replies.... The vote was close enough that there will be going back and forth for a while for Brits as well for the rest of the world. One thing is certain - UK is already not so much U any more
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I don't want to get into a debate - had enough of that already. But this morning I was in Sainsbury's buying provisions and was helped with a couple of essentials by a lovely Polish girl. I know there are various reasons and arguments flying about on both sides but I feel ashamed of what we've done and I can't shake it off.
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Well, to answer the original question, this was the worst Friday for me in years in terms of sales. Fotolia was particularly bad, but SS was awful as well.
Hey someone actually addressed my question ;)
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Ok, the EU isn't as transparent as it should be, impose heavy regulations etc. and some people might think this is unfair. But those people shouldn't be the brits.
I guess it's safe to say that the UK had a privileged place in the EU. While some countries have taken one for the team, accepted the regulations, taxes and policies, been to hell and back for the EU idea, the UK acted like they were located in the middle of the Atlantic. No team work, only threats and complaining.
and and net Contribution of over 3 Billion Euros second only to germany. Sounds like you are better off without us so good luck!
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I don't want to get into a debate - had enough of that already. But this morning I was in Sainsbury's buying provisions and was helped with a couple of essentials by a lovely Polish girl. I know there are various reasons and arguments flying about on both sides but I feel ashamed of what we've done and I can't shake it off.
I am saddened too about the fear and doubt that this is causing. Much of this is due to the hysterical scaremongering I have no doubt when it settles down she may well still be working in the supermarket. It was only ever about controlled immigration but that seems to be lost in the noise.
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It wasn't at all about immigration for me. It was about democracy and sovereignty.
I doubt this will make a lot of difference to overall immigration numbers. Maybe it will mean more people from India, Pakistan and Africa and less from other EU countries, maybe it will be the same as before.
Not an issue for me. What is an issue is that the electorate cannot control, for example, having a national railway, having a national health service, removing VAT from fuel, and on and on. And I guess immigration as well. Even if I am for free movement, we the people should be able to vote for or against it rather than having it as a non-negotiable part of being in a superstate.
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This topic was about the international economy effecting our micro stock business. Not about Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Stalin, or Mao Zedong.
Some mention about Alamy and other companies that reside in England will be effected- thank you for that information. It will be interesting to see how our business pans out the rest of the year.
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Well, to answer the original question, this was the worst Friday for me in years in terms of sales. Fotolia was particularly bad, but SS was awful as well.
Hey someone actually addressed my question ;)
I'll chip in :). It was a regular Friday for me.
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This topic was about the international economy effecting our micro stock business. Not about Adolf Hitler, Winston Churchill, Franklin Roosevelt, Joseph Stalin, or Mao Zedong.
Some mention about Alamy and other companies that reside in England will be effected- thank you for that information. It will be interesting to see how our business pans out the rest of the year.
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You're right. If you are in the UK you just got a big temporary pay rise as most of our income is in dollars which get us more GBPs until the market settles. Longer term anything could happen.
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Some mention about Alamy and other companies that reside in England will be effected- thank you for that information. It will be interesting to see how our business pans out the rest of the year.
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You're welcome, glad somebody actually noticed ;D
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I hope that EU 2.0 addresses the major grievances and that the UK returns. A union is clearly the best direction for the future - the economic advantages alone are very large. It's unfortunate that the Greek and Syrian crises happened when they did, causing the breakup. I'd call it a divorce brought on by disagreement over how to deal with some very problematic children.
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The UK will be fine as they have been for centuries. When a country like Britain have to the will and determination to be succeed, they will find a way to work things out.
The UK look at Switzerland as a model of economic prosperity outside of the EU. They want to have free trade and they want control of their own resources. They don't want regulations holding them back. The only hiccup I see is the EU possibility retaliating against the UK for exit. They'll find a way with their regulations and protectionism to slow down trade between the UK and the EU, but it just means the the UK will have to deal with Asia & the US a bit more.
As for the impact on the MS business, it probably did on Friday. I know that some people were watching the market and worrying about their stock portfolio instead of working. It wasn't a big impact and I see things going back to normal on Monday. Next week will be a slower week than usual because of Independence Day in the US.
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The UK imports way more than it exports so the EU will be worrying about our trade going elsewhere instead of Europe. In 10 or 20 years time our children will be thanking us for this decision. I know it will be difficult in the next 5 - 10 years but I'd prefer to be poor living in a democracy rather than rich in a dictatorship.
On the plus side with the low exchange rate I'll be making an extra £150 -£200 per month!
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A drop in the pound is a good thing for Britain it means that their exports to other countries will be cheaper and thus more sales for England, that is why the USA and China are always trying to devalue their currency. Every currency is rushing for the bottom and poor Japan is trying to devalue theirs but everyone keeps jumping into theirs as a safe haven thus keeping them in a permanent recession.
Englands exit will bring back jobs to them and more income not to mention national pride, rights and less bureaucracy!
A drop in the pound isn't good because it makes almost everything cost more. I like getting more money when I change dollars to pounds but it will all go on more expensive fuel, food, clothes and worst of all, photographic equipment.
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I think if the EU had allowed an upper limit of 100,000 a year difference between UK citizens leaving to live in EU countries and EU citizens coming to live in the UK, the vote would of gone the other way.
I blame our UK governments for not building enough schools, hospitals and houses but the EU didn't want us enough to make a reasonable compromise. I would still rather we stayed in but I can see why so many people voted to leave.
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Great Britain, welcome to the club of happy and successful countries, like Norway, Switzerland, Iceland!
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.
Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.
Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results
That would be all the 16 -17 years old's searching then. I'm a dad of 3 young Children and I'm really happy of the decision as we will grow a stronger country for them instead of the crazy red tape we need to go through now.
It's not as if were going to be vanquished from the face of the earth. We still need Europe and Europe needs us, just not the political machine state it's turned out to be.
Think it's stupid laws like this that really got on peoples nerves from the electorates from the EU who we couldn't and didn't elect for...
We are not allowed to buy bent bananas
We are not allowed to buy 100w bulbs
We are not allowed to make and sell hovercrafts to countries were it could save peoples lives as the EU see's it not as a boat
We are not allowed to buy powerful vacuum cleaners
We can't buy eggs by the dozen (must be via weight)
And the list goes on and on and on and on and .................
The EU brought in good laws too, don't get me wrong but common!!!!! We couldn't take anymore B*llsh*t.
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Young people don't stay young forever. Old people were young too once. The older generations still remember what it was to be young. Young people have no idea what it is to have the life experience of an older person. Just because someone votes one way when they are 20 doesn't mean they would vote that way when they are 50 or even 30. How many people in their middle age would trust their 20 year old self to make a decision that will have an impact on the rest of their life? If you haven't gained any more insight into what's important in the intervening decades I would question what you had done with your time.
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.
Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results
It's not a disgrace it's democracy, the UK allows people to vote from the age of majority which is 18.
By your arguement why not let 5 to 15 year olds vote too?
As to 75 year old people voting well thats democracy they have the right to vote too.
Since when has it ever, ever been a problem until this vote?
To suggest otherwise is a totalitarian mentality.
18 is also very popular world wide see
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_age#Voting_ages_around_the_world
So your arguement carries no weight and is nonsensical
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The funny thing is that the regions voting for Brexit are the poor regions in England and Wales, regions which are getting subsidies from EU. I guess they have to suffer for their own choice.
Comparing the UK with Norway and Switzerland is not smart since both countries are far richer than the UK. Excluding London the UK is only at 80% of the average wages in EU which is lower now thanks to the weak pound. Iceland can't jiin the EU because of the EU fishing regulations. Fishing is a huge industry which they won't give up. It's all about the territorial fishing waters if you want to know more about it
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Norway and Switzerland outside and richer hmm that tells me something. Yep exclude London which is about 15% of the population and that skews all the stats...perhaps you can do the same with Paris and Berlin?
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Well, to answer the original question, this was the worst Friday for me in years in terms of sales. Fotolia was particularly bad, but SS was awful as well.
Hey someone actually addressed my question ;)
The plain fact is that no-one knows the answer any more than you do. Any relevant comments are just speculation.
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.
Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results
Yes a really sad day for all the young people that voted yes. The good thing.... all those oldies will be soon gone for good and wind might change direction again. Until then wish GB all the best.
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Norway and Switzerland outside and richer hmm that tells me something. Yep exclude London which is about 15% of the population and that skews all the stats...perhaps you can do the same with Paris and Berlin?
Even with London Norway and Switzerland are still richer.
Exclude Berlin would be flattering Germany's stats.
Anyway that's not the point.
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Although it seems that the desire to Remain decreased with age, everything I've seen shows that young people, under 25, were less likely to have voted.
However, I'm not sure any of those I've read is an authoratative source.
Anyone know of authorative figures for that? (Maybe they haven't been published yet).
Vide the comment in this post in which 16 and 17 yos turned out in larger numbers than 18-25yos in the Scottish Independence Referendum in 2014, speculatively because they were more likely to be living at home, so encouraged to vote by their parents.
http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/12/many-16-17-year-olds-voted (http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2014/12/many-16-17-year-olds-voted)
And actually, a lot was done during the Indepedence Campaign to engage the young voters, with large events and hustings being organised especially for them.
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.
Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results
That would be all the 16 -17 years old's searching then. I'm a dad of 3 young Children and I'm really happy of the decision as we will grow a stronger country for them instead of the crazy red tape we need to go through now.
It's not as if were going to be vanquished from the face of the earth. We still need Europe and Europe needs us, just not the political machine state it's turned out to be.
Think it's stupid laws like this that really got on peoples nerves from the electorates from the EU who we couldn't and didn't elect for...
We are not allowed to buy bent bananas
We are not allowed to buy 100w bulbs
We are not allowed to make and sell hovercrafts to countries were it could save peoples lives as the EU see's it not as a boat
We are not allowed to buy powerful vacuum cleaners
We can't buy eggs by the dozen (must be via weight)
And the list goes on and on and on and on and .................
The EU brought in good laws too, don't get me wrong but common!!!!! We couldn't take anymore B*llsh*t.
That's just not true. I can buy bent bananas, 100w light bulbs, a powerful vacuum cleaner and eggs by the dozen. Some of these may have been EU laws but we either ignored them or they were dropped. I wish people stuck to the truth, this is typical of the false information there is about the EU.
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As a Brit I'm very proud of the events that took place last night. I stayed up all night glued to the TV as all the results started to roll in. The people in the UK want change. We invented parliament and democracy in the modern age and yet the EU is the most antidemocratic system put into place. If Brussels and the EU parliament were more transparent and we could elect it's members then I think us Brits would have probably have voted to remain. The EU was initially setup for a free market but year after year they imposed new laws which didn't relate to each individual country.
Both my grandparents fought in the 2nd world wars for our freedom and democratic society. They would have been proud last night if they were both around. The EU is turning into a machine state and once again it's been up to us Brits to save the day for Europe once again. Other countries will go free soon and each country will get back it's originality and freedom.
75 year old people voting for the future of 16 17 yr olds who couldnt vote and didnt want to leave. absolute discgrace. what is eu was the most searched term on google AFTER the referendum results
Yes a really sad day for all the young people that voted yes. The good thing.... all those oldies will be soon gone for good and wind might change direction again. Until then wish GB all the best.
Check the voting stats the 18-25 year old block had the lowest turn out of any group they just couldn't be bothered to get out and vote.
So it's not an old versus young stitch up
But why let facts get in the way of a good story
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The funny thing is that the regions voting for Brexit are the poor regions in England and Wales, regions which are getting subsidies from EU. I guess they have to suffer for their own choice.
Comparing the UK with Norway and Switzerland is not smart since both countries are far richer than the UK. Excluding London the UK is only at 80% of the average wages in EU which is lower now thanks to the weak pound. Iceland can't jiin the EU because of the EU fishing regulations. Fishing is a huge industry which they won't give up. It's all about the territorial fishing waters if you want to know more about it
Regarding areas that benefit most from EU being most likely to vote to leave. That is almost always the case in these things. Same as in the US the states that benefit most from Federal funding hate the Federal government the most and vote for cuts. Whether that is because they are also the poorest people, so most need the aid and are therefore simultaneously the ones most being left behind and the ones benefiting the most from benefits or whether it is because people generally resent having to rely on handouts I don't know.
As far as Norway and Switzerland. Norway is a very special case, tiny country who's prosperity is almost entirely down to oil. Iceland also absolutely tiny. Switzerland, much smaller than the UK but there is some validity to the comparison. You can't dismiss it because Switzerland is more prosperous if the whole debate is about whether the UK can be prosperous outside the EU. Will you only accept comparison with countries that are failing outside the EU? if that's the case than the argument is sort of over before it begins isn't it?
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The funny thing is that the regions voting for Brexit are the poor regions in England and Wales, regions which are getting subsidies from EU. I guess they have to suffer for their own choice.
Comparing the UK with Norway and Switzerland is not smart since both countries are far richer than the UK. Excluding London the UK is only at 80% of the average wages in EU which is lower now thanks to the weak pound. Iceland can't jiin the EU because of the EU fishing regulations. Fishing is a huge industry which they won't give up. It's all about the territorial fishing waters if you want to know more about it
Regarding areas that benefit most from EU being most likely to vote to leave. That is almost always the case in these things. Same as in the US the states that benefit most from Federal funding hate the Federal government the most and vote for cuts. Whether that is because they are also the poorest people, so most need the aid and are therefore simultaneously the ones most being left behind and the ones benefiting the most from benefits or whether it is because people generally resent having to rely on handouts I don't know.
As far as Norway and Switzerland. Norway is a very special case, tiny country who's prosperity is almost entirely down to oil. Iceland also absolutely tiny. Switzerland, much smaller than the UK but there is some validity to the comparison. You can't dismiss it because Switzerland is more prosperous if the whole debate is about whether the UK can be prosperous outside the EU. Will you only accept comparison with countries that are failing outside the EU? if that's the case than the argument is sort of over before it begins isn't it?
True, but in the Brexit campaign all they mention is Norway and Switzerland.
It's about the EEA, Norway and Iceland are in it, Switzerland rejected it, but has bilateral agreements with the EU. Brexit campaign didn't mention about the €1.3bn EEA and Norway grants Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein have to pay without having any vote or representation in the EU.
Still sounds good?
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Back to the topic question, I don't think it will change much. EU oriented businesses will move from the UK to the EU, but they will still need images, to me it doesn't matter if the sale is from the UK or Germany or Ireland. Sales from the UK will probably be less in the short future because of economic slowdown or recession, but the EU won't be affected by the Brexit like it does for the UK, so sales in the EU is expected to be the same or maybe higher when businesses move to the EU.
Agencies pay out in USD so no change there, except FT which pays in £ if you're UK based, that will mean a pay cut for UK contributors. How this will affect USD paying UK agencies remains a question, they may have to change payout currency or lower commissions if the agencies are more UK sales oriented.
In case you have a stock or bond portfolio for your pension, I got rid of UK companies and companies doing most of their business in the UK a couple of months ago, cause then I thought Brexit will win. I also got rid of European financials and automotive and I never had UK bonds.
At the end of trading on Friday my whole portfolio went up with 6.7% thanks to put options in UK financials which got hit hard Friday.
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True, but in the Brexit campaign all they mention is Norway and Switzerland.
It's about the EEA, Norway and Iceland are in it, Switzerland rejected it, but has bilateral agreements with the EU. Brexit campaign didn't mention about the €1.3bn EEA and Norway grants Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein have to pay without having any vote or representation in the EU.
Still sounds good?
But of course none of those countries have anything like the population of that Britain has, and presumably don't represent such a good market for the EU to sell to.
Perhaps we could charge the EU for selling their goods and services here.
Whatever. The die is cast. We are out of the rather tarnished gilded cage that the EU has (or had) become.
I know I'm not alone in wondering how long the monster can survive now.
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True, but in the Brexit campaign all they mention is Norway and Switzerland.
It's about the EEA, Norway and Iceland are in it, Switzerland rejected it, but has bilateral agreements with the EU. Brexit campaign didn't mention about the €1.3bn EEA and Norway grants Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein have to pay without having any vote or representation in the EU.
Still sounds good?
Quite honestly the Brexit campaign was an absolute disgrace. I hadn't made my mind up how to vote until I got in the booth, largely because I didn't want to be on the same side as so many dubious characters that had spouted so much nonsense (largely xenophobic nonsense at that) in the campaign.
Then again I also I didn't like being threatened by other member states in the EU with punishment on the event of a Brexit or the scaremongering by some of the Remain campaign.
In the end I voted based on what I felt would be best for the country in the long run without letting my vote be pulled in direction or the other by dislike of those on either side. In the end I think fear would would have been what made me vote to Remain, and I didn't think that was a good enough reason.
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True, but in the Brexit campaign all they mention is Norway and Switzerland.
It's about the EEA, Norway and Iceland are in it, Switzerland rejected it, but has bilateral agreements with the EU. Brexit campaign didn't mention about the €1.3bn EEA and Norway grants Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein have to pay without having any vote or representation in the EU.
Still sounds good?
But of course none of those countries have anything like the population of that Britain has, and presumably don't represent such a good market for the EU to sell to.
Perhaps we could charge the EU for selling their goods and services here.
Whatever. The die is cast. We are out of the rather tarnished gilded cage that the EU has (or had) become.
I know I'm not alone in wondering how long the monster can survive now.
The only thing in common is that all of these countries are importing a lot from the EU. More than the other way around.
You can bet there will be import charges on both side. At the end the consumer will notice the prices of these goods are going up.
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True, but in the Brexit campaign all they mention is Norway and Switzerland.
It's about the EEA, Norway and Iceland are in it, Switzerland rejected it, but has bilateral agreements with the EU. Brexit campaign didn't mention about the €1.3bn EEA and Norway grants Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein have to pay without having any vote or representation in the EU.
Still sounds good?
Quite honestly the Brexit campaign was an absolute disgrace. I hadn't made my mind up how to vote until I got in the booth, largely because I didn't want to be on the same side as so many dubious characters that had spouted so much nonsense (largely xenophobic nonsense at that) in the campaign.
Then again I also I didn't like being threatened by other member states in the EU with punishment on the event of a Brexit or the scaremongering by some of the Remain campaign.
In the end I voted based on what I felt would be best for the country in the long run without letting my vote be pulled in direction or the other by dislike of those on either side. In the end I think fear would would have been what made me vote to Remain, and I didn't think that was a good enough reason.
It's all over Europe, populist parties are winning everywhere and they all want to get out of the EU. Financially it would be a disaster, the market is too much integrated already. Time will tell what happens.
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True, but in the Brexit campaign all they mention is Norway and Switzerland.
It's about the EEA, Norway and Iceland are in it, Switzerland rejected it, but has bilateral agreements with the EU. Brexit campaign didn't mention about the €1.3bn EEA and Norway grants Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein have to pay without having any vote or representation in the EU.
Still sounds good?
But of course none of those countries have anything like the population of that Britain has, and presumably don't represent such a good market for the EU to sell to.
Perhaps we could charge the EU for selling their goods and services here.
Whatever. The die is cast. We are out of the rather tarnished gilded cage that the EU has (or had) become.
I know I'm not alone in wondering how long the monster can survive now.
The only thing in common is that all of these countries are importing a lot from the EU. More than the other way around.
You can bet there will be import charges on both side. At the end the consumer will notice the prices of these goods are going up.
Depends on how good our (and their!) negotiators are. Hopefully we'll have someone better than failed UK politicians and other "cronies" to do the job on our behalf this time.
As I said earlier, I think the whole thing will fail with or without us here.
It'll be tough at first for some of the countries who are reliant on EU finance when it happens. The bigger countries will carry on more or less as normal once the first shock is over.
Only time will tell though as you say. I don't think that the EU is, or ever was the be-all and end-all. Despite it's own attempts to make itself just that.
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True, but in the Brexit campaign all they mention is Norway and Switzerland.
It's about the EEA, Norway and Iceland are in it, Switzerland rejected it, but has bilateral agreements with the EU. Brexit campaign didn't mention about the €1.3bn EEA and Norway grants Norway, Iceland and Liechtenstein have to pay without having any vote or representation in the EU.
Still sounds good?
Quite honestly the Brexit campaign was an absolute disgrace. I hadn't made my mind up how to vote until I got in the booth, largely because I didn't want to be on the same side as so many dubious characters that had spouted so much nonsense (largely xenophobic nonsense at that) in the campaign.
Then again I also I didn't like being threatened by other member states in the EU with punishment on the event of a Brexit or the scaremongering by some of the Remain campaign.
In the end I voted based on what I felt would be best for the country in the long run without letting my vote be pulled in direction or the other by dislike of those on either side. In the end I think fear would would have been what made me vote to Remain, and I didn't think that was a good enough reason.
Pretty much the same with me..I came very close to changing my mind at the last minute and to be honest 60-40 to stay in would I think have been better than this knife edge result. The current turmoil is very concerning but in the long run I think it is the right decision but I think it is finely balanced.
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so people in the uk are anry because they cant buy a 100w bulb or eggs by the dozen and send a whole country down the hole. i understand what the eu has done for the people in the eu, yes you probably will have to suck up not being able to buy a 5000 watt vacuum cleaner, but voting to leave was silly, to say the least
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Regarding areas that benefit most from EU being most likely to vote to leave. That is almost always the case in these things. Same as in the US the states that benefit most from Federal funding hate the Federal government the most and vote for cuts. Whether that is because they are also the poorest people, so most need the aid and are therefore simultaneously the ones most being left behind and the ones benefiting the most from benefits or whether it is because people generally resent having to rely on handouts I don't know.
The people who rely most on government benefits tend to be the poor and poorly educated (Trump: "I love the uneducated!"), who view their own benefits as their right, yet see everyone else's benefits as handouts. They also hate the people who pay the taxes that give them their benefits. And because of their lack of education, they're more easily misled by false claims and chicanery (pay attention to things like abortion laws and transgender people using the bathroom—and vote for me!—while I quietly cut your benefits and laugh all the way to the bank).
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as for trump, was in scotland after the vote and praised the people for taking their country back, not realizing/knowing the whole of scotland had voted to stay with the eu. comedy gold that man, God forbid he ever takes the Whitehouse
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as for trump, was in scotland after the vote and praised the people for taking their country back, not realizing/knowing the whole of scotland had voted to stay with the eu. comedy gold that man, God forbid he ever takes the Whitehouse
Indeed. Trump claims to love us, but we don't love him back.
He seems to be as geographically ignorant as Dubya, who famously asked Charlotte Church which State Wales is in. ::)
http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/british-lose-right-to-claim-that-americans-are-dumber (http://www.newyorker.com/humor/borowitz-report/british-lose-right-to-claim-that-americans-are-dumber)
"In the face of this startling display of national idiocy, Dorrinson still mustered some of the resilience for which the British people are known. “This is a dark day,” he said. “But I hold out hope that, come November, Americans could become dumber than us once more.”"
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so people in the uk are anry because they cant buy a 100w bulb or eggs by the dozen and send a whole country down the hole. i understand what the eu has done for the people in the eu, yes you probably will have to suck up not being able to buy a 5000 watt vacuum cleaner, but voting to leave was silly, to say the least
Yes we British are well noted for our extreme silliness.
Every day here is like an episode from Fawlty Towers.
And the country is run entirely by winners of "Upper Class Twit of the Year"
Unlike the rest of the EU countries, who are of course eminently sensible in all things, worrying as they do when brought together in a parliament about the straightness of bananas, whether certain types of lightbulb should be allowed, and the acceptable power of vacuum cleaners. ;D
It cuts both ways.
It's raining here today. I think the EU has cut the sunshine off already! ;D
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coz thats what i said right? pff. if you read the whole thing youd have seen i just use the comments of some posters here, anyway, shouldnt get involved with politics, back to editing
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so people in the uk are anry because they cant buy a 100w bulb or eggs by the dozen and send a whole country down the hole. i understand what the eu has done for the people in the eu, yes you probably will have to suck up not being able to buy a 5000 watt vacuum cleaner, but voting to leave was silly, to say the least
Just look on amazon uk and there are 100w bulbs for sale. I have seen them in the high street shops as well. There was never a time when we couldn't buy eggs by the dozen. For some reason, the EU gets blamed for everything.
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so people in the uk are anry because they cant buy a 100w bulb or eggs by the dozen and send a whole country down the hole. i understand what the eu has done for the people in the eu, yes you probably will have to suck up not being able to buy a 5000 watt vacuum cleaner, but voting to leave was silly, to say the least
Just look on amazon uk and there are 100w bulbs for sale. I have seen them in the high street shops as well. There was never a time when we couldn't buy eggs by the dozen. For some reason, the EU gets blamed for everything.
Have a look at eggs next time you're in the shop. It's now by weight and not by the dozen. It's all the small things that begin to add up that grate on people's conscious and subconscious. It's not really about eggs or vacuum cleaners but the fact that the more control you give them the more they take away.
I don't want a European state with a European Super Army.
I believe in Democracy.
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so people in the uk are anry because they cant buy a 100w bulb or eggs by the dozen and send a whole country down the hole. i understand what the eu has done for the people in the eu, yes you probably will have to suck up not being able to buy a 5000 watt vacuum cleaner, but voting to leave was silly, to say the least
Just look on amazon uk and there are 100w bulbs for sale. I have seen them in the high street shops as well. There was never a time when we couldn't buy eggs by the dozen. For some reason, the EU gets blamed for everything.
Have a look at eggs next time you're in the shop. It's now by weight and not by the dozen. It's all the small things that begin to add up that grate on people's conscious and subconscious. It's not really about eggs or vacuum cleaners but the fact that the more control you give them the more they take away.
I don't want a European state with a European Super Army.
I believe in Democracy.
I voted out but come on eggs are sold by the dozen, sometimes 10 sold by size I've NEVER seen them sold by weight
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people blame the EU because they are clueless about what good the eu has done, they don't even know the negatives. ive read comments of out voters blaming the eu for legislation imposed on them by their own government
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so people in the uk are anry because they cant buy a 100w bulb or eggs by the dozen and send a whole country down the hole. i understand what the eu has done for the people in the eu, yes you probably will have to suck up not being able to buy a 5000 watt vacuum cleaner, but voting to leave was silly, to say the least
Just look on amazon uk and there are 100w bulbs for sale. I have seen them in the high street shops as well. There was never a time when we couldn't buy eggs by the dozen. For some reason, the EU gets blamed for everything.
Have a look at eggs next time you're in the shop. It's now by weight and not by the dozen. It's all the small things that begin to add up that grate on people's conscious and subconscious. It's not really about eggs or vacuum cleaners but the fact that the more control you give them the more they take away.
I don't want a European state with a European Super Army.
I believe in Democracy.
I voted out but come on eggs are sold by the dozen, sometimes 10 sold by size I've NEVER seen them sold by weight
I don't want to make a big deal on this but here you go...
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html)
Like I said just small things that take away our identity. I can't remember the last time I saw the word 'dozen' on egg packets? Must be 5 years ago I just see the number of eggs. And how British was that!
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apple, you do know that the uk has the right to veto the build up of an european army. and if your country diesnt want it to happen they just need to say no. you dont have to leave the eu for that
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so people in the uk are anry because they cant buy a 100w bulb or eggs by the dozen and send a whole country down the hole. i understand what the eu has done for the people in the eu, yes you probably will have to suck up not being able to buy a 5000 watt vacuum cleaner, but voting to leave was silly, to say the least
Just look on amazon uk and there are 100w bulbs for sale. I have seen them in the high street shops as well. There was never a time when we couldn't buy eggs by the dozen. For some reason, the EU gets blamed for everything.
Have a look at eggs next time you're in the shop. It's now by weight and not by the dozen. It's all the small things that begin to add up that grate on people's conscious and subconscious. It's not really about eggs or vacuum cleaners but the fact that the more control you give them the more they take away.
I don't want a European state with a European Super Army.
I believe in Democracy.
I voted out but come on eggs are sold by the dozen, sometimes 10 sold by size I've NEVER seen them sold by weight
I don't want to make a big deal on this but here you go...
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url])
Like I said just small things that take away our identity. I can't remember the last time I saw dozen on egg packets? Must be 5 years ago. And how British was that!
http://www.bbc.com/news/10461548 (http://www.bbc.com/news/10461548)
its this misinformation about basically everything got people to vote out
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so people in the uk are anry because they cant buy a 100w bulb or eggs by the dozen and send a whole country down the hole. i understand what the eu has done for the people in the eu, yes you probably will have to suck up not being able to buy a 5000 watt vacuum cleaner, but voting to leave was silly, to say the least
Just look on amazon uk and there are 100w bulbs for sale. I have seen them in the high street shops as well. There was never a time when we couldn't buy eggs by the dozen. For some reason, the EU gets blamed for everything.
Yes, I blame the EU for the many cloudy and rainy days this year.
Although I haven't uploaded much lately but I also blame the EU for the drop in sales in microstock.
We should all leave the EU for that.
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so people in the uk are anry because they cant buy a 100w bulb or eggs by the dozen and send a whole country down the hole. i understand what the eu has done for the people in the eu, yes you probably will have to suck up not being able to buy a 5000 watt vacuum cleaner, but voting to leave was silly, to say the least
Just look on amazon uk and there are 100w bulbs for sale. I have seen them in the high street shops as well. There was never a time when we couldn't buy eggs by the dozen. For some reason, the EU gets blamed for everything.
Have a look at eggs next time you're in the shop. It's now by weight and not by the dozen. It's all the small things that begin to add up that grate on people's conscious and subconscious. It's not really about eggs or vacuum cleaners but the fact that the more control you give them the more they take away.
I don't want a European state with a European Super Army.
I believe in Democracy.
I voted out but come on eggs are sold by the dozen, sometimes 10 sold by size I've NEVER seen them sold by weight
I don't want to make a big deal on this but here you go...
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url])
Like I said just small things that take away our identity. I can't remember the last time I saw dozen on egg packets? Must be 5 years ago. And how British was that!
[url]http://www.bbc.com/news/10461548[/url] ([url]http://www.bbc.com/news/10461548[/url])
its this misinformation about basically everything got people to vote out
Maybe the egg debate is a bad example but you can't take away the fact that they tried to impose this!
What next? No coffee before breakfast? No swimming in the sea? Not allowed to breath air?
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I don't want to make a big deal on this but here you go...
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url])
I can't believe anyone would regard anything the Daily Muddle (also the thieves who used one of my RM files over 20 times more than they reported/paid for it after being caught out many times for same in the past) says as remotely accurate. I was just going out to buy eggs when I read this, so here are the eggs I just bought:
(http://www.lizworld.com/6Eggs.jpg)
The eggs are sold in sixes and twelves, by small, medium, large, XL sizes, battery, barn or free range. 'Twere ever thus.
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What next? No coffee before breakfast? No swimming in the sea? Not allowed to breath air?
Or maybe just like not being able to harvest your own rainwater in parts of the US (misinformation posted immediately previous on this forum).
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apple based on that answer they never should have given people the power to decide over something so significant,, bearing such a massive impact
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I don't want to make a big deal on this but here you go...
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url])
I can't believe anyone would regard anything the Daily Muddle (also the thieves who used one of my RM files over 20 times more than they reported/paid for it after being caught out many times for same in the past) says as remotely accurate. I was just going out to buy eggs when I read this, so here are the eggs I just bought:
([url]http://www.lizworld.com/6Eggs.jpg[/url])
The eggs are sold in sixes and twelves, by small, medium, large, XL sizes, battery, barn or free range. 'Twere ever thus.
That's great but where the word Dozen? Or Half Dozen?
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I don't want to make a big deal on this but here you go...
[url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url] ([url]http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1289882/EU-ban-selling-eggs-dozen-Shopkeepers-fury-told-food-weighed-sold-kilo.html[/url])
I can't believe anyone would regard anything the Daily Muddle (also the thieves who used one of my RM files over 20 times more than they reported/paid for it after being caught out many times for same in the past) says as remotely accurate. I was just going out to buy eggs when I read this, so here are the eggs I just bought:
([url]http://www.lizworld.com/6Eggs.jpg[/url])
The eggs are sold in sixes and twelves, by small, medium, large, XL sizes, battery, barn or free range. 'Twere ever thus.
That's great but where the word Dozen? Or Half Dozen?
Who cares?
It would look messy on the label. What designer would put "Half-a-dozen Large Free-range Eggs"? Short is sweet, and almost certainly more potential buyers know 6 than know 'half a dozen'
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I was getting p*ssed off reading this kind of BS by the brexit side then spent a while on youtube listening to equally unformed garbage from the Remain side. A young woman explaining the best thing about the eu was they gave us the nhs for example.
I think I just have to accept that more old morons turned out to vote than young morons therefore brexit.
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I, for one will be happier when all the name calling and derogatory remarks are over.
I am not so arrogant as to think that my opinion is any more valid than the next persons and I would not presume to speak for anyone else but I can state that before we left the EU I was not some fascist, racist, homophobic nationalistic sadist who didn't give a * about people less fortunate than I am and now that we are out of the EU I have no intention of becoming so.
So will the people who are making those suggestions please stop and think before suggesting that anyone who doesn't share their opinion is not fit to have a vote because they are fat, old, or stupid or just automatically racist because they are white.
Thank you.
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I can't remember the last time I saw the word 'dozen' on egg packets? Must be 5 years ago I just see the number of eggs. And how British was that!
French, actually.
Middle English: from Old French dozeine, based on Latin duodecim 'twelve'.
http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/dozen (http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/dozen)
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It's getting old, local news are reporting about Spanish elections now.
Besides, UK has to sort out their own problems first, Scotland wants to block Brexit, Labour crisis, UK citizens with Irish parents or grandparents considering Irish citizenship, 3.2 mil people petitioning for a 2nd referendum, people regretting their vote, people in Scotland and London wanting independence and what else?
Good luck out there
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French, actually.
Middle English: from Old French dozeine, based on Latin duodecim 'twelve'.
[url]http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/dozen[/url] ([url]http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/dozen[/url])
No, thats not right. It has the same roots in almost all Indo-European languages. Therefore it is similar. The number words in these languages have the same roots, which are much older than the Latin. (Old-Greek δώδεκα dódeka, older German tozen, Swedish tolft etc. etc.)
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French, actually.
Middle English: from Old French dozeine, based on Latin duodecim 'twelve'.
[url]http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/dozen[/url] ([url]http://www.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/dozen[/url])
No, thats not right. It has the same roots in almost all Indo-European languages. Therefore it is similar. The number words in these languages have the same roots, which are much older than the Latin. (Old-Greek δώδεκα dódeka, older German tozen, Swedish tolft etc. etc.)
I was right, then. It has little specifically to do with "British Culture", it's international.
The OED said English got the word from the French and they got it from the Latin, no need to go into other linguistic branches.
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Norway and Switzerland outside and richer hmm that tells me something.
Zimbabwe, Moldova, Pakistan, Albania are also outside. Are they richer because of that? Comparing apples to oranges doesn't make sense.
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That's great but where the word Dozen? Or Half Dozen?
Do you need to be constantly reminded that six is half dozen? I live in another EU country and I have been buying similar packs as long as I remember.
6 will always be 6, 2 x 6 will always be 12 no matter if you call it a dozen or not.
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No, thats not right. It has the same roots in almost all Indo-European languages. Therefore it is similar. The number words in these languages have the same roots, which are much older than the Latin. (Old-Greek δώδεκα dódeka, older German tozen, Swedish tolft etc. etc.)
I was right, then. It has little specifically to do with "British Culture", it's international.
I'd say dozen is very "European". :)
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1) i am not one much for politics, but i would think if you're brit and travel to the rest of EC
regularly, you no longer get to travel as easily without red tape as if UK is out of EC.
would that be so???
and this would affect your business for sure.
2) everywhere there ENGLAND vs the rest of the world, you will always find trouble between
the english and the rest.
it's just that way it is. Limeys don't like taking orders from euro .. esp French, Germans, ..(you fill in the rest wherever you're from...).
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1) i am not one much for politics, but i would think if you're brit and travel to the rest of EC
regularly, you no longer get to travel as easily without red tape as if UK is out of EC.
would that be so???
I don't think so, I think most things will remain more or less the way they are now with only small changes, except that the UK just won't be formally an EU member state. I can easily immigrate to Switzerland, or Norway, I think they adopt most EU regulations anyway, pay some contributions to some funds. The Norwegian PM explained that, for all practical purposes it's like they're "almost" in the EU, but without the right to vote. The Brexit frauds probably didn't explain that, as they apparently focused on such euromyths as bananas or eggs.
The only major thing that would change, would be the international position and importance of the UK. Instead of being one of the leading countries in the biggest block, the UK's position will be similar perhaps to that of South Korea. They could also choose to be a satellite state of the US, a puppet state of Russia or China if they like. In the relationship with the US, they would be the junior partner, similar to the "couple" Belarus-Russia.
International importance doesn't matter to some countries such as e.g. Switzerland, because of their neutrality or maybe size, but I don't know if the Brits see it this way.
I still suspect this is an accident that the Brexit frauds didn't want to happen. Now they cannot go on, cannot collect funds for the next campaign. When they cannot blame the EU anymore, they will have to deliver results and turn all those post-industrial communities in Wales and Northern England into a land of milk and honey. I think Johnson is scared.
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1) i am not one much for politics, but i would think if you're brit and travel to the rest of EC
regularly, you no longer get to travel as easily without red tape as if UK is out of EC.
would that be so???
and this would affect your business for sure.
2) everywhere there ENGLAND vs the rest of the world, you will always find trouble between
the english and the rest.
it's just that way it is. Limeys don't like taking orders from euro .. esp French, Germans, ..(you fill in the rest wherever you're from...).
UK opt out of Schengen area, nothing will change much. Switzerland, Iceland and Norway are Schengen countries and all Schengen countries have the same visa policy and no passport and border controls, except individual countries can change the controls in case of terrorists attacks and other threats.
For business there will probably be import duties imposed between UK and EU and vice versa
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Double post
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That's great but where the word Dozen? Or Half Dozen?
Do you need to be constantly reminded that six is half dozen? I live in another EU country and I have been buying similar packs as long as I remember.
6 will always be 6, 2 x 6 will always be 12 no matter if you call it a dozen or not.
People who believe the rubbish about the EU in the Daily Mail probably do need to be reminded it's a half dozen :) The only fact I believe in that paper is the price on the front cover.
We are told the papers don't have much power in the UK now but millions of older people read them and the majority were anti EU and had headlines about the negative effects of immigration every week. I think that was easily enough to make the difference in this referendum.
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That's great but where the word Dozen? Or Half Dozen?
Do you need to be constantly reminded that six is half dozen? I live in another EU country and I have been buying similar packs as long as I remember.
6 will always be 6, 2 x 6 will always be 12 no matter if you call it a dozen or not.
People who believe the rubbish about the EU in the Daily Mail probably do need to be reminded it's a half dozen :) The only fact I believe in that paper is the price on the front cover.
We are told the papers don't have much power in the UK now but millions of older people read them and the majority were anti EU and had headlines about the negative effects of immigration every week. I think that was easily enough to make the difference in this referendum.
Its hard to say but many would argue the BBC was quite biased toward remain and even though people buy various newspapers its not clear they take much notice of the political stance.
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Norway and Switzerland outside and richer hmm that tells me something.
Zimbabwe, Moldova, Pakistan, Albania are also outside. Are they richer because of that? Comparing apples to oranges doesn't make sense.
Japan, China, USA, Brazil, Canada, Russia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the list of rich countries not in the EU goes on and on
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Norway and Switzerland outside and richer hmm that tells me something.
Zimbabwe, Moldova, Pakistan, Albania are also outside. Are they richer because of that? Comparing apples to oranges doesn't make sense.
Japan, China, USA, Brazil, Canada, Russia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the list of rich countries not in the EU goes on and on
GDP per capita in the EU (2014): US$ 36,447
GDP per capita World (2014) : US$ 10,738
For your information, more is better.
Source: http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-1W?display=graph (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-1W?display=graph)
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The British have decided to leave behind the EUSSR, excellent long term decision. The all out smear / shaming campaign was to be expected, also the intentional financial backstabbing as punishment. All of this will just highlight to anyone with some gray matter left in their skulls why this was the right decision, the peon / useful idiot class feel it confirms that it was a bad decision.
nice to see that sites like huffpo call expressions of democray like this as "a stumble / fall / racism", and similarly liberal places are calling for banning the older generation from voting. Good. The true face of so called liberalism is being exposed more and more as history moves forward, while the regressive left walks backwards.
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Norway and Switzerland outside and richer hmm that tells me something.
Zimbabwe, Moldova, Pakistan, Albania are also outside. Are they richer because of that? Comparing apples to oranges doesn't make sense.
Japan, China, USA, Brazil, Canada, Russia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the list of rich countries not in the EU goes on and on
GDP per capita in the EU (2014): US$ 36,447
GDP per capita World (2014) : US$ 10,738
For your information, more is better.
Source: [url]http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-1W?display=graph[/url] ([url]http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-1W?display=graph[/url])
http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-NO-CH?display=graph (http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-NO-CH?display=graph)
For your information, Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU, and more is better.
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I don't think so, ... The Brexit frauds probably didn't explain that, as they apparently focused on such euromyths as bananas or eggs.
The only major thing that would change, would be the international position and importance of the UK. Instead of being one of the leading countries in the biggest block, the UK's position will be similar perhaps to that of South Korea. ...
UK opt out of Schengen area, nothing will change much....
For business there will probably be import duties imposed between UK and EU and vice versa
thx , it's important to get the correct perspective of things from those not in the media or politician seat, as we all know.. whether it is South Africa, Middle East, Latin Am, US (eg Cuba vs Baptista ex patriots, anything from china is bad)and Cda (eg french vs english) etc.. what you hear from the media can be very different from what comes out of the locals
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Norway and Switzerland outside and richer hmm that tells me something.
Zimbabwe, Moldova, Pakistan, Albania are also outside. Are they richer because of that? Comparing apples to oranges doesn't make sense.
Japan, China, USA, Brazil, Canada, Russia, Singapore, Australia, New Zealand, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain and the list of rich countries not in the EU goes on and on
GDP per capita in the EU (2014): US$ 36,447
GDP per capita World (2014) : US$ 10,738
For your information, more is better.
Source: [url]http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-1W?display=graph[/url] ([url]http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-1W?display=graph[/url])
[url]http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-NO-CH?display=graph[/url] ([url]http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD/countries/EU-NO-CH?display=graph[/url])
For your information, Norway and Switzerland are not in the EU, and more is better.
For your information, a bigger sample is always more representative.
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The Brexit campaign conveniently took Norway and Switzerland as an example how good it can be outside the EU, but the truth is that the UK will never be a Norway, nor a Switzerland.
And it looks like UK's economy is heading for a recession because of the Brexit and when the pound drops some more, France has a bigger market than the UK. Sacre bleu is that what the Brexit campaign wanted?
On top of that the government wants to wait a while before filing for article 50 in the EU, leaving all the markets in uncertainty, nobody wants to invest in the UK anymore, British and foreign. Not to mention financial institutions leaving London for Frankfurt, Dublin, Amsterdam etc. This will mark London's end as Europe's financial capital and if economy is bad in London it's going to be worse in the rest of the UK.
True eventually UK will recover, but not in my lifetime or the next generation's.
Don't worry about Johnson and Falange, they can easily get jobs as comedians or con men.
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On top of that the government wants to wait a while before filing for article 50 in the EU,
So does Johnson, because it wasn't the plan, it was an accident.
http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/guardian-comment-boris-johnson_uk_576faf9be4b0d2571149c8b9 (http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/guardian-comment-boris-johnson_uk_576faf9be4b0d2571149c8b9)
Don't worry about Johnson and Falange, they can easily get jobs as comedians or con men.
Meanwhile Johnson has been hiding in the bushes.
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Brexit will cost jobs and life will get harder for a lot of people in and out of the UK. There will be some winners but as usual these won't be the poor or normal people. It was and it is so easy to blame the EU for every mishappening in one's personal life but despite huge mistakes that nobody denies the EU was and is the biggest peace-making project ever invented and most people did profit more from it then they will ever realize.
But the effects of Brexit on our MS-business will be far less than anything the greedy agencies put on us in the past.
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Keep calm and wait two years. It will be at least that long before the paper work is done and anything happens. After that everyone will adapt.
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The English football players have just voted to exit also the European Championship. UNBELIEVABLE! Enxit!
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"For your information, a bigger sample is always more representative." Only if its unbiased
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Brexit will cost jobs and life will get harder for a lot of people in and out of the UK. There will be some winners but as usual these won't be the poor or normal people. It was and it is so easy to blame the EU for every mishappening in one's personal life but despite huge mistakes that nobody denies the EU was and is the biggest peace-making project ever invented and most people did profit more from it then they will ever realize.
But the effects of Brexit on our MS-business will be far less than anything the greedy agencies put on us in the past.
I do it was NATO
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The English football players have just voted to exit also the European Championship. UNBELIEVABLE! Enxit!
Beaten by a team outside the EU :-)
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Keep calm and wait two years. It will be at least that long before the paper work is done and anything happens. After that everyone will adapt.
Businesses can't wait for 2 years, they want stability. It seems everyone in the UK politics want to drag this on as long as possible, the perfect recipe to chase all the foreign companies away. Maybe by then the UK market value is as tiny as Belgium.
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The English football players have just voted to exit also the European Championship. UNBELIEVABLE! Enxit!
I think 10% of Iceland's population was there in the stadium to witness it. Respect to the Icelandic team
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The English football players have just voted to exit also the European Championship. UNBELIEVABLE! Enxit!
Beaten by a team outside the EU :-)
I suppose it was also EU's fault, because it had banned blue grass and square balls, so the English players were not able to train properly.
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from what i just read, those who are from Canada, Europe,etc will have a bigger pay-cheque this month due to the rise of the US $ foreigh exchange due to this issue.
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from what i just read, those who are from Canada, Europe,etc will have a bigger pay-cheque this month due to the rise of the US $ foreigh exchange due to this issue.
and the UK of course
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from what i just read, those who are from Canada, Europe,etc will have a bigger pay-cheque this month due to the rise of the US $ foreigh exchange due to this issue.
and the UK of course
People with pound as their local currency will benefit the most, until the prices of everyday living rise also called inflation.
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Hm.
The UK is going global instead of being bound to a continent in ressesion.
The UK has built 2 large aircraft carriers.
The UK has Stepping stones everywhere on the globe. Singapore, Hong Kong, and Bombay being the most important.
The UK and USA is tightly connected, UK is such bringing USA into Europe.
and let us put simple and easy.
I often buy goods from the UK, via ebay... not because of the price, or the quality. But mostly because they are there and available. Led Light bulbs, and makita batteries.
UK is the global platform in Europe. A treashold. It has always been. It will not go away, because the continental French and Germans would like it to.
I fear the biggest impact of Brexit will be the loss of global influence by the EU.
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I often buy goods from the UK, via ebay... not because of the price, or the quality. But mostly because they are there and available. Led Light bulbs, and makita batteries.
UK is the global platform in Europe. A treashold. It has always been. It will not go away, because the continental French and Germans would like it to.
you do realise that these goods are Chinese products from Chinese traders that use offices in the UK as a springboard for the European market to avoid tax, customs and VAT? Exactly this will stop and many other things on a much much larger scale because the UK voted to leave the single European market!
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It will not go away, because the continental French and Germans would like it to.
No one in Germany wanted to go this away all parties in Germany see the leave of the UK as a very sad thing. It goes away because the UK voted for it to go away!
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I think there will be a general election before article 50 is activated. If the Liberal Democrats have any sense they will run on a platform of staying in the EU based on fraudulent claims made by the out campaign. As elections are won with much smaller numbers they walk into number 10 and the uk stays in the eu. Brussels is finally frightened into some real reform. Everyone kisses and makes up.
There's my bit of fan fic for the day.
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I think there will be a general election before article 50 is activated. If the Liberal Democrats have any sense they will run on a platform of staying in the EU based on fraudulent claims made by the out campaign. As elections are won with much smaller numbers they walk into number 10 and the uk stays in the eu. Brussels is finally frightened into some real reform. Everyone kisses and makes up.
There's my bit of fan fic for the day.
That would be the farce of the century if you ask me. It's like nobody takes the referendum seriously, voters and politicians. I guess UK residents got scared by Osborne's speech of spending cut and higher taxes.
EU reform was already planned before the British referendum btw.
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I think there will be a general election before article 50 is activated. If the Liberal Democrats have any sense they will run on a platform of staying in the EU based on fraudulent claims made by the out campaign. As elections are won with much smaller numbers they walk into number 10 and the uk stays in the eu. Brussels is finally frightened into some real reform. Everyone kisses and makes up.
There's my bit of fan fic for the day.
As much chance of that as England winning the Euros.......If there is an election with the referendum result being ignored it will be UKIP walking into no 10 which really would be a disaster.
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What is interesting is whether:
1. Scotland could veto Brexit? It might not be very likely, but the Scottish Parliament must represent the will of the people of Scotland. From what I have read, the constitutional status of Scotland is somehow linked to the EU (Scotland Act or something else). Scottish MPs do not need to care at all how the English voted, their job is to represent Scottish interests, so if they find a legal loophole to block Brexit, they would probably do so.
2. If they cannot block Brexit, could they remain in the EU (possibly with N. Ireland and Gibraltar) while England and Wales leave? (I mean without proclaiming independence) It might seem strange at first, but: 1. The Isle of Man is represented in foreign matters by the UK, and it is not part of the EU. Other British Overseas Territories also don't belong to the EU. 2.Greenland belongs to Denmark, but it left the EU in the 1980s while Denmark stayed.
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That's great but where the word Dozen? Or Half Dozen?
Do you need to be constantly reminded that six is half dozen? I live in another EU country and I have been buying similar packs as long as I remember.
6 will always be 6, 2 x 6 will always be 12 no matter if you call it a dozen or not.
LOL , reminds me of the comedian at the farmers' market who cheerfully tells us
"our price is the most flexible, you can choose 6 or half a dozen ... we won't charge you a penny more!!!" wink wink ;D
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That's great but where the word Dozen? Or Half Dozen?
Do you need to be constantly reminded that six is half dozen? I live in another EU country and I have been buying similar packs as long as I remember.
6 will always be 6, 2 x 6 will always be 12 no matter if you call it a dozen or not.
LOL , reminds me of the comedian at the farmers' market who cheerfully tells us
"our price is the most flexible, you can choose 6 or half a dozen ... we won't charge you a penny more!!!" wink wink ;D
Some people never buy eggs apparently but they categorically demand the right to buy eggs by the dozen.
"You may buy eggs by the dozen whenever you wish and it has always been this way."
"Hmmmm, but the seller must inform me in writing that it is a dozen or half a dozen, otherwise I don't know if the quantity is equal to a dozen! 6 or 12 can be so misleading!"
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The problem with this referendum was that it was just about leaving the EU. The leave campaign bombarded me with leaflets telling me we spend 350 million a week on the EU and implying that all of that could be spent on the NHS. The bit about the rebate and all the money that we get back from the EU is either in the small print or left out. While I didn't fall for that, the small majority that swung the vote may of done. The stay campaign warned of the consequences of leaving the EU but that was an unknown, unlike the facts we had about how much the EU costs. The stay campaign lost, so their claims wont be under so much scrutiny.
I can see this referendum being run again. When we see the actual deal that the new prime minister gets, they wont be able to say that we will save 350 million a week and give it to the NHS. They will either have to accept freedom of movement or tell us how much it will cost not to have it. The EU might offer a better deal if we vote to stay in now.
If this is like a divorce that takes 2 years and costs both sides a lot of money, I think there may be a time when we decide it would be better to stay together. How many divorces go through when the person asking for the divorce is only 52% sure they want one?
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What is interesting is whether:
1. Scotland could veto Brexit? It might not be very likely, but the Scottish Parliament must represent the will of the people of Scotland. From what I have read, the constitutional status of Scotland is somehow linked to the EU (Scotland Act or something else). Scottish MPs do not need to care at all how the English voted, their job is to represent Scottish interests, so if they find a legal loophole to block Brexit, they would probably do so.
2. If they cannot block Brexit, could they remain in the EU (possibly with N. Ireland and Gibraltar) while England and Wales leave? (I mean without proclaiming independence) It might seem strange at first, but: 1. The Isle of Man is represented in foreign matters by the UK, and it is not part of the EU. Other British Overseas Territories also don't belong to the EU. 2.Greenland belongs to Denmark, but it left the EU in the 1980s while Denmark stayed.
I don't think Scotland can veto Brexit. They would need a Independence referendum which is by no means a certain outcome they would also need to negotiate a deal with the EU no easy task with Spanish concerns about independence movements in their own country and the small matter of currency. I cant see how they can can be part of the UK and in Europe just not practical.
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What is interesting is whether:
1. Scotland could veto Brexit? It might not be very likely, but the Scottish Parliament must represent the will of the people of Scotland. From what I have read, the constitutional status of Scotland is somehow linked to the EU (Scotland Act or something else). Scottish MPs do not need to care at all how the English voted, their job is to represent Scottish interests, so if they find a legal loophole to block Brexit, they would probably do so.
2. If they cannot block Brexit, could they remain in the EU (possibly with N. Ireland and Gibraltar) while England and Wales leave? (I mean without proclaiming independence) It might seem strange at first, but: 1. The Isle of Man is represented in foreign matters by the UK, and it is not part of the EU. Other British Overseas Territories also don't belong to the EU. 2.Greenland belongs to Denmark, but it left the EU in the 1980s while Denmark stayed.
I don't think Scotland can veto Brexit. They would need a Independence referendum which is by no means a certain outcome they would also need to negotiate a deal with the EU no easy task with Spanish concerns about independence movements in their own country and the small matter of currency. I cant see how they can can be part of the UK and in Europe just not practical.
I read one article the other day. Along the lines it said that "theoretically" it could but this, but that trumps this, this trumps that.... It was very confusing since I am not from there but there were several Legal acts.
Fact is this is pretty much new territory for everyone - legal, economic, etc. Next couple of years should be interesting.
And I read what someone wrote that if UK decides to stay in now that they could get better benefits.... No. This will not happen at all. UK already had more than any other member of EU. And even if it is the case, nobody would ever consider UK serious - we want out, uuuuu benefits we want in - we dont like this we want out - uuu benefits - you get the point
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...And I read what someone wrote that if UK decides to stay in now that they could get better benefits.... No. This will not happen at all. UK already had more than any other member of EU. And even if it is the case, nobody would ever consider UK serious - we want out, uuuuu benefits we want in - we dont like this we want out - uuu benefits - you get the point
Isn't anything better than the possible domino effect caused by a UK exit? The UK still pays in much more than it gets back from the EU. If the negotiated exit deal is bad for the UK, public opinion might change. The Brexit side promised all sorts of things that they probably can't get without crippling the UK economy. If our parliament rejects the deal, another referendum would seem inevitable.
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...And I read what someone wrote that if UK decides to stay in now that they could get better benefits.... No. This will not happen at all. UK already had more than any other member of EU. And even if it is the case, nobody would ever consider UK serious - we want out, uuuuu benefits we want in - we dont like this we want out - uuu benefits - you get the point
Isn't anything better than the possible domino effect caused by a UK exit? The UK still pays in much more than it gets back from the EU. If the negotiated exit deal is bad for the UK, public opinion might change. The Brexit side promised all sorts of things that they probably can't get without crippling the UK economy. If our parliament rejects the deal, another referendum would seem inevitable.
Yes it probably will be domino effect - big time. It already is. But I honestly thing that whoever is saying that UK pays much more than it gets back from EU is incorrect. Just the access to the market is payout itself. Don't get me wrong, UK will still have same access but not under same conditions.
Politically, regardless if you are for or against Brexit, I think that it is safe to agree that parliament has to accept the will of the people. It would be EXTREMELY stupid to have the referendum and for parliament to come out and say - naw, we don't accept these results. We are staying in EU.
Anyway, if I was from UK, I would have voted to stay but that is just my opinion and is not any better or worse from those who say no to EU. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion.
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What is interesting is whether:
1. Scotland could veto Brexit? It might not be very likely, but the Scottish Parliament must represent the will of the people of Scotland. From what I have read, the constitutional status of Scotland is somehow linked to the EU (Scotland Act or something else). Scottish MPs do not need to care at all how the English voted, their job is to represent Scottish interests, so if they find a legal loophole to block Brexit, they would probably do so.
2. If they cannot block Brexit, could they remain in the EU (possibly with N. Ireland and Gibraltar) while England and Wales leave? (I mean without proclaiming independence) It might seem strange at first, but: 1. The Isle of Man is represented in foreign matters by the UK, and it is not part of the EU. Other British Overseas Territories also don't belong to the EU. 2.Greenland belongs to Denmark, but it left the EU in the 1980s while Denmark stayed.
I don't think Scotland can veto Brexit. They would need a Independence referendum which is by no means a certain outcome they would also need to negotiate a deal with the EU no easy task with Spanish concerns about independence movements in their own country and the small matter of currency. I cant see how they can can be part of the UK and in Europe just not practical.
I read one article the other day. Along the lines it said that "theoretically" it could but this, but that trumps this, this trumps that.... It was very confusing since I am not from there but there were several Legal acts.
Fact is this is pretty much new territory for everyone - legal, economic, etc. Next couple of years should be interesting.
And I read what someone wrote that if UK decides to stay in now that they could get better benefits.... No. This will not happen at all. UK already had more than any other member of EU. And even if it is the case, nobody would ever consider UK serious - we want out, uuuuu benefits we want in - we dont like this we want out - uuu benefits - you get the point
You are right everyone's a constitutional expert now ;-). I think the EU has been a huge benefit for much of mainland Europe but was not right for the UK and you are right I don't think we could ever be "happy" members so maybe better 2 years of uncertainty than a never ending debate.
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There's nothing wrong with parliament wanting another referendum when we have the actual deal to vote on. The leave side were talking about having a second referendum if they lost this one. They even started a petition for a second referendum when it looked like they were going to lose. As the result was so close, when nobody in the country really knew what the exit deal would be, I think it would be wrong not to have a second referendum on something that is as important as this is.
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In fact there is plenty wealth for everyone in the west to live happy/fulfilling lives if . . . the corporate class pays its fair share of taxes and forgoes subsidies that come from the people's pockets. If the privilege class pays its fair share of taxes instead of changing tax laws and hording wealth overseas. The time honored tradition of demagogues blaming “those other people” for a nations problems continues in Europe and America. Trump's says we could “Make America Great Again” if it wasn't for the Chinese, Mexicans, Europeans treating us badly . . . Great Britain says if it wasn't for the EU Britain could be “Great” again. Always blame someone else for your dysfunction. It seems some of today's leaders have taken a course from Germany's most famous demagogue who blamed the Treaty of Versailles and Jewish Bankers for Germany's dysfunction after World War One.
And of course, De- Industrialization through globalization doesn't help:
Asian millionaires 'top wealth rankings' ---- from the BBC
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There's nothing wrong with parliament wanting another referendum when we have the actual deal to vote on. The leave side were talking about having a second referendum if they lost this one. They even started a petition for a second referendum when it looked like they were going to lose. As the result was so close, when nobody in the country really knew what the exit deal would be, I think it would be wrong not to have a second referendum on something that is as important as this is.
No nothing wrong with that if it is for right reasons. As you pointed those reasons, that would be OK.
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my PHD in Mathematics tells me I'm not stupid.
I can bring lots of examples of how a PHD makes people stupid.
Governements of all world will do just the same with or without EU or wathever....but now at least some peasant is happy to think that he's free! ...just until the next thing to fight against....no isis referendum?! ahahah
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from what i just read, those who are from Canada, Europe,etc will have a bigger pay-cheque this month due to the rise of the US $ foreigh exchange due to this issue.
and the UK of course
sorry i spoke too soon. right after this headline, came the next two...
- millionaires loses lots in UK leaving EU talks
- foreign exchange reverse resurgence with Brexit losing
as always, money talks... the whole world will play Simon Says to the people with money.
only took a couple of days to swing their loses and move talks re UK leaving EU...
isn't it how the cookie crumbles?
and it all happens just as payout day is arriving...
sorry ppl from canada, eu, uk... less money for you !
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I don't like how they say the UK stock market had bounced back when the currency is around 15% down. They never take that in to account.
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No need to watch Game of Thrones to see beards and boobs running about - it's all kicked off in British politics at the moment with sackings, mutiny, backstabbing, tears, protest marches, racism, people shouting in the street at each other.
Bread and Circuses for the masses.
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Who needs Game of thrones when you have the latest British news
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If this is like a divorce that takes 2 years and costs both sides a lot of money, I think there may be a time when we decide it would be better to stay together. How many divorces go through when the person asking for the divorce is only 52% sure they want one?
Yes, I also think that staying together would be pragmatic. No matter how you look at it, a weakened EU is a very bad thing for the UK, because of all the economic ties. And a weaker UK is not good for other European countries at all. A slowdown in China or a recession in Japan can be felt across the globe as ripples in all developed economies. If the ties are stronger, as in the case of UK/EU, the negative effects will also be stronger. Great Britain is an island geographically, but its economy is not an island, it has so many ties with continental Europe that a divorce may be very painful. Probably more painful to the UK than the EU because of the size and the fact that the banking sector plays a very important role in the British economy.
Except for the English football hooligans, personally I like the Brits very much, I feel very well every time I am in the UK and I would be happy if we could somehow avoid this divorce. Heck, I even don't mind those silly separate taps for cold and hot water in Britain :) And somehow the EU hasn't banned them...
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from what i just read, those who are from Canada, Europe,etc will have a bigger pay-cheque this month due to the rise of the US $ foreigh exchange due to this issue.
and the UK of course
sorry i spoke too soon. right after this headline, came the next two...
- millionaires loses lots in UK leaving EU talks
- foreign exchange reverse resurgence with Brexit losing
as always, money talks... the whole world will play Simon Says to the people with money.
only took a couple of days to swing their loses and move talks re UK leaving EU...
isn't it how the cookie crumbles?
and it all happens just as payout day is arriving...
sorry ppl from canada, eu, uk... less money for you !
It's still more money for the UK people. Not sure about the others. It was 1.5 dollars to the pound the day before brexit, so you'd get £200 for a $300 payment. Now it's down to 1.33, so you'll get £225 for a $300 payment. Give or take. Happy days! Well, for now anyway... the impending apocalypse will wipe the smile off our faces.
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I wouldn't be surprised if there was another referendum.
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from what i just read, those who are from Canada, Europe,etc will have a bigger pay-cheque this month due to the rise of the US $ foreigh exchange due to this issue.
and the UK of course
sorry i spoke too soon. right after this headline, came the next two...
- millionaires loses lots in UK leaving EU talks
- foreign exchange reverse resurgence with Brexit losing
as always, money talks... the whole world will play Simon Says to the people with money.
only took a couple of days to swing their loses and move talks re UK leaving EU...
isn't it how the cookie crumbles?
and it all happens just as payout day is arriving...
sorry ppl from canada, eu, uk... less money for you !
It's still more money for the UK people. Not sure about the others. It was 1.5 dollars to the pound the day before brexit, so you'd get £200 for a $300 payment. Now it's down to 1.33, so you'll get £225 for a $300 payment. Give or take. Happy days! Well, for now anyway... the impending apocalypse will wipe the smile off our faces.
August 9th - 300$=231£
No apocalypse in sight!