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marthamarks

« Reply #100 on: February 27, 2022, 10:18 »
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I'm happy to see that this debate made you realise your 30 years old idealism. You're welcome! Same as my sweet, Martha.  ;)

Edit: Martha, who lost her onomatopoeic arguments and now is speculating about sexism. Sad!

Ahhhhh. My my my my my. Uh oh!

Soooo saaaaaad to note that my obviously true comments about men's eternal tendency some deep-seated psychological flaw, perhaps? to belittle and mistreat women have hit home for my sweet, humble, generous, caring, wonderful friend Zero.

Truly, this grieves me. I'm just soooooooooo saaaaaaaaaaad.  :( :( :( :(
« Last Edit: February 27, 2022, 10:26 by marthamarks »


« Reply #101 on: February 27, 2022, 10:28 »
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Don't forget the rocket crisis. USA didn't allowed Russian missiles to be installed on Kuba, right? Would Americans have attacked back then? Hell yes.

On the photo Belgrade 1999 after NATO bombing.

NATO fought against murder, rape, ethnic cleansing and genocide by the military and the forces of Slobodan Miloević government.

Sure, and it started in 1991 with Croatia, than spread in Bosnia and not a finger was moved while he he was fighting on foreign territory. UN forces handled him 10k people to be blatantly executed in Srebrenica. On the plate. Those people surrendered with UN forces guarantee for protection and then those UN men, more precisely Duch battalion DutchBat III is directly responsible for his genocide and its been proved in court.

130 000 people died in the middle of Europe and nobody moved a finger.


Then they intervened 10 years later when the wars were over in a moment when he was right for the first time defending his own country from a minority demanding country within a country in a territory that was always Serbian and never Albanian just to spite Russia which started to openly support him.

Where was NATO when his forces occupied 1/3 of Croatia, where were they when Vukovar was surrounded and kids were murdered, when were they when Sarajevo was surrounded and rocketed every day for years. People had not only food but drinking water and they didn't even provide them that.

And please don't try to educate me about that war, I was personally in that war fighting against him and spent best years of my life under his gradates while the world was watching.


     

thijsdegraaf

« Reply #102 on: February 27, 2022, 10:32 »
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Why don't you just go with your oldy fellow Martha and get your hip replaced, or do whatever else oldies do.

Wow, Thijs, doesn't that sound like a great suggestion??!! What do you think?

Want to join me here in Santa Fe, where we have a fine hip-replacement surgeon?

Just imagine how amazing it would be to have our movement back! The miracle of finally being able to walk again and hey, that might even improve our fast-fading mental capacities!

And once we manage, at long last, to rise up from our wheel chairs, maybe we can toss horse shoes together! Or play bridge!! Maybe even paddle around in the kiddie pool!!! Oh, joy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds to me like a tremendously exciting prospect. Whaddya think, Thijs???

I'm not going to take those insults Martha. An old discussion technique. If you can't win when the other person is right, you can insult them. Which makes it about the insult and no longer about the subject that matters and where he is wrong.  ;)

marthamarks

« Reply #103 on: February 27, 2022, 10:34 »
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And please don't try to educate me about that war, I was personally in that war fighting against him and spent best years of my life under his gradates while the world was watching.

This is unfortunate but useful information, Lizard. Thank you for helping us understand your personal history and "where you are coming from."

marthamarks

« Reply #104 on: February 27, 2022, 10:38 »
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Why don't you just go with your oldy fellow Martha and get your hip replaced, or do whatever else oldies do.

Wow, Thijs, doesn't that sound like a great suggestion??!! What do you think?

Want to join me here in Santa Fe, where we have a fine hip-replacement surgeon?

Just imagine how amazing it would be to have our movement back! The miracle of finally being able to walk again and hey, that might even improve our fast-fading mental capacities!

And once we manage, at long last, to rise up from our wheel chairs, maybe we can toss horse shoes together! Or play bridge!! Maybe even paddle around in the kiddie pool!!! Oh, joy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sounds to me like a tremendously exciting prospect. Whaddya think, Thijs???

I'm not going to take those insults Martha. An old discussion technique. If you can't win when the other person is right, you can insult them. Which makes it about the insult and no longer about the subject that matters and where he is wrong.  ;)

You're right, Thijs. Typical bully behavior. Apparently, this forum's most pathetic participant has no other tools except to mock and ridicule those who don't fall in line behind him.

Unfortunately, in my long (!!) life, I've known many other men just like him. I find the best approach is to ridicule them back. In this case, it does seem to get under his skin, which is fine with me.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2022, 10:41 by marthamarks »

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #105 on: February 27, 2022, 10:56 »
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Nice long thread, lets make it longer. Oh, another oldy. I really didn't know what I'm getting involved in here. What  a waste of time arguing with a bunch of nursing home residents.

Most Seniors have more life experience, knowledge and wisdom than any young know-it-all. Enough experience to recognize that arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom, while tossing in irrelevant personal attacks, or name calling others, is a childish inability to communicate.

« Reply #106 on: February 27, 2022, 11:02 »
+1
Don't forget the rocket crisis. USA didn't allowed Russian missiles to be installed on Kuba, right? Would Americans have attacked back then? Hell yes.

On the photo Belgrade 1999 after NATO bombing.

NATO fought against murder, rape, ethnic cleansing and genocide by the military and the forces of Slobodan Miloević government.

Sure, and it started in 1991 with Croatia, than spread in Bosnia and not a finger was moved while he he was fighting on foreign territory. UN forces handled him 10k people to be blatantly executed in Srebrenica. On the plate. Those people surrendered with UN forces guarantee for protection and then those UN men, more precisely Duch battalion DutchBat III is directly responsible for his genocide and its been proved in court.

130 000 people died in the middle of Europe and nobody moved a finger.


Then they intervened 10 years later when the wars were over in a moment when he was right for the first time defending his own country from a minority demanding country within a country in a territory that was always Serbian and never Albanian just to spite Russia which started to openly support him.

Where was NATO when his forces occupied 1/3 of Croatia, where were they when Vukovar was surrounded and kids were murdered, when were they when Sarajevo was surrounded and rocketed every day for years. People had not only food but drinking water and they didn't even provide them that.

And please don't try to educate me about that war, I was personally in that war fighting against him and spent best years of my life under his gradates while the world was watching.

All this is correct, Lizard.
The same sad things happen now, in Ukraine, because of Putin, instead of Milosevic.
Many people die in Ukraine and many more will die, without anyone moving more than a few symbolic fingers.

NATO failed to deter the war and war crimes in former Yugoslavia, the same way NATO fails to deter the war and war crimes in Ukraine.

Putin is falsely quoting an inexistent agreement (you believed existed), using NATO as a scapegoat, to justify his dreams of a Greater Russia. He will not stop with Ukraine.

His rhetoric is also using the Yugoslavian wars to justify his invasion of Ukraine.
If anyone, YOU should be the one seeing through his crap.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2022, 19:12 by Zero Talent »

Aks1

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« Reply #107 on: February 27, 2022, 11:30 »
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Nice long thread, lets make it longer. Oh, another oldy. I really didn't know what I'm getting involved in here. What  a waste of time arguing with a bunch of nursing home residents.

Most Seniors have more life experience, knowledge and wisdom than any young know-it-all. Enough experience to recognize that arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom, while tossing in irrelevant personal attacks, or name calling others, is a childish inability to communicate.
"arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom" whaaat debate , what wisdom - to say Give Putin hell (Martha the oldy hip replacer)
or "Countries have freed themselves from the Soviet Union because they no longer wanted to belong to it and for fear of Russia they joined the West." this third grader sentence said by Martha's buddy with still to be replaced hip Wjsrtf or whatever his nick name is. That is what you call wisdom? Go to Santa Fe with them and visit the surgeon.

Aks1

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« Reply #108 on: February 27, 2022, 11:31 »
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Don't forget the rocket crisis. USA didn't allowed Russian missiles to be installed on Kuba, right? Would Americans have attacked back then? Hell yes.

On the photo Belgrade 1999 after NATO bombing.

NATO fought against murder, rape, ethnic cleansing and genocide by the military and the forces of Slobodan Miloević government.

Sure, and it started in 1991 with Croatia, than spread in Bosnia and not a finger was moved while he he was fighting on foreign territory. UN forces handled him 10k people to be blatantly executed in Srebrenica. On the plate. Those people surrendered with UN forces guarantee for protection and then those UN men, more precisely Duch battalion DutchBat III is directly responsible for his genocide and its been proved in court.

130 000 people died in the middle of Europe and nobody moved a finger.


Then they intervened 10 years later when the wars were over in a moment when he was right for the first time defending his own country from a minority demanding country within a country in a territory that was always Serbian and never Albanian just to spite Russia which started to openly support him.

Where was NATO when his forces occupied 1/3 of Croatia, where were they when Vukovar was surrounded and kids were murdered, when were they when Sarajevo was surrounded and rocketed every day for years. People had not only food but drinking water and they didn't even provide them that.

And please don't try to educate me about that war, I was personally in that war fighting against him and spent best years of my life under his gradates while the world was watching.


   
Milosevic is hero! You can freely suck his you now what.

thijsdegraaf

« Reply #109 on: February 27, 2022, 11:35 »
+2

And please don't try to educate me about that war, I was personally in that war fighting against him and spent best years of my life under his gradates while the world was watching.


   

Thank you for sharing. I understand now why you have your reservations.
Yes, that's where we went wrong. Perhaps because it was first seen as an internal quarrel of a country falling apart after Tito.
Two years ago we were in Slovenia where the problems started. In 2015 we were in Trogir near Split and it was almost impossible to imagine what a misery it was there.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #110 on: February 27, 2022, 11:41 »
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Nice long thread, lets make it longer. Oh, another oldy. I really didn't know what I'm getting involved in here. What  a waste of time arguing with a bunch of nursing home residents.

Most Seniors have more life experience, knowledge and wisdom than any young know-it-all. Enough experience to recognize that arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom, while tossing in irrelevant personal attacks, or name calling others, is a childish inability to communicate.
"arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom" whaaat debate , what wisdom - to say Give Putin hell (Martha the oldy hip replacer)
or "Countries have freed themselves from the Soviet Union because they no longer wanted to belong to it and for fear of Russia they joined the West." this third grader sentence said by Martha's buddy with still to be replaced hip Wjsrtf or whatever his nick name is. That is what you call wisdom? Go to Santa Fe with them and visit the surgeon.

People here are debating the attacks on the Ukraine, not how old we are or how we write our sentences. Otherwise I would be obliged to point out your many typos, grammar and spelling errors, which I won't. But I was making a generalized statement about anyone who personally attacks others for irrelevant reasons, instead of staying with the discussion. Anyone, not just you.

Yours, FOBG - old fart.

Aks1

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« Reply #111 on: February 27, 2022, 11:53 »
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Nice long thread, lets make it longer. Oh, another oldy. I really didn't know what I'm getting involved in here. What  a waste of time arguing with a bunch of nursing home residents.

Most Seniors have more life experience, knowledge and wisdom than any young know-it-all. Enough experience to recognize that arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom, while tossing in irrelevant personal attacks, or name calling others, is a childish inability to communicate.
"arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom" whaaat debate , what wisdom - to say Give Putin hell (Martha the oldy hip replacer)
or "Countries have freed themselves from the Soviet Union because they no longer wanted to belong to it and for fear of Russia they joined the West." this third grader sentence said by Martha's buddy with still to be replaced hip Wjsrtf or whatever his nick name is. That is what you call wisdom? Go to Santa Fe with them and visit the surgeon.

People here are debating the attacks on the Ukraine, not how old we are or how we write our sentences. Otherwise I would be obliged to point out your many typos, grammar and spelling errors, which I won't. But I was making a generalized statement about anyone who personally attacks others for irrelevant reasons, instead of staying with the discussion. Anyone, not just you.

Yours, FOBG - old fart.
This is not a debate! This is a rage against Russia. And anybody having different opinion is just called Putin's bot, or is commented with Nonsense, you don't believe in what you just say and similar. And you also see it. And that is why I got involved here, although my English is so bad. I couldn't believe there is such an amount of hate in people. And when I even found out these people are old, what? I wrote it earlier, but it was ignored, of course - people who hate this much would most likely torture a captured Russian solder, even women. I know that, I was in war, and i saw who are the people who torture captives. Just a thought about it makes me sick. These oldies are sitting in their comfortable chairs and hate, not even being aware how close they are to stick a sharp subject into someone eye. Sick old people. Not even aware of their feelings they wouldn't be able to control.
By the way, I respect you and everything you did for this forum all these years.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2022, 11:58 by Aks1 »

marthamarks

« Reply #112 on: February 27, 2022, 11:55 »
+3

Nice long thread, lets make it longer. Oh, another oldy. I really didn't know what I'm getting involved in here. What  a waste of time arguing with a bunch of nursing home residents.

Most Seniors have more life experience, knowledge and wisdom than any young know-it-all. Enough experience to recognize that arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom, while tossing in irrelevant personal attacks, or name calling others, is a childish inability to communicate.
"arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom" whaaat debate , what wisdom - to say Give Putin hell (Martha the oldy hip replacer)
or "Countries have freed themselves from the Soviet Union because they no longer wanted to belong to it and for fear of Russia they joined the West." this third grader sentence said by Martha's buddy with still to be replaced hip Wjsrtf or whatever his nick name is. That is what you call wisdom? Go to Santa Fe with them and visit the surgeon.

We also have excellent psychologists and psychiatrists here in Santa Fe, Aks1. You're welcome to join Thijs and me here, and while we're having our hips replaced, you can get a thorough mental examination. Perhaps even benefit from some much-needed therapy.

That probably would be a great relief to the unfortunate people who actually have to live with or near you. We lucky forum participants have the option of tuning you out whenever we get fed up with you.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2022, 11:59 by marthamarks »

Aks1

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« Reply #113 on: February 27, 2022, 11:56 »
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Nice long thread, lets make it longer. Oh, another oldy. I really didn't know what I'm getting involved in here. What  a waste of time arguing with a bunch of nursing home residents.

Most Seniors have more life experience, knowledge and wisdom than any young know-it-all. Enough experience to recognize that arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom, while tossing in irrelevant personal attacks, or name calling others, is a childish inability to communicate.
"arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom" whaaat debate , what wisdom - to say Give Putin hell (Martha the oldy hip replacer)
or "Countries have freed themselves from the Soviet Union because they no longer wanted to belong to it and for fear of Russia they joined the West." this third grader sentence said by Martha's buddy with still to be replaced hip Wjsrtf or whatever his nick name is. That is what you call wisdom? Go to Santa Fe with them and visit the surgeon.

We also have excellent psychologists and psychiatrists here in Santa FE, Aks1. You're welcome to join Thijs and me here, and while we're having our hips replaced, you can get a thorough mental examination. Perhaps even benefit from some much-needed therapy.

That probably would be a great relief to the unfortunate people who actually have to live with or near you. We lucky forum participants have the option of tuning you out whenever we get fed up with you.
Why are you replying to me then? People around me are, believe me, sick of your hate as much as I am.

« Reply #114 on: February 27, 2022, 12:00 »
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Finally Russia have send a clear message: dear Americans, your time as world policeman is over. You have been dropping bombs on Syria, Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Vietnam, Japan, etc., but it stops right now. What you gonna do? Will you crap your pants? Yes you will.

Yahahahaha

Hungary 1956 & 1968, Afghanistan 1979 to 89, Chechnya, The Warsaw pact keeping everyone under the thumb and Syria and now Ukraine.

Russia propping up dictators like Sadam and Gaddafi plus dozens of other wannabe genocidal maniacs.

Vietnam the forceable reintegration by the Communist north supported by the Russians.  Korean war started by the Communist north supported by the Russians and Chinese.

Whats the one thing in common?? Yes Russian imperialism

So keep your Putin kool aid and read a bit of history. 8)

I forgot to say "Botski"  ;D

marthamarks

« Reply #115 on: February 27, 2022, 12:14 »
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I'm not your pal. And don't tell me what to do. Fck off old lady.

It looks like you want to hear just what suits you.  Why don't you just go with your oldy fellow Martha and get your hip replaced, or do whatever else oldies do.

"arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom" whaaat debate , what wisdom - to say Give Putin hell (Martha the oldy hip replacer)
or "Countries have freed themselves from the Soviet Union because they no longer wanted to belong to it and for fear of Russia they joined the West." this third grader sentence said by Martha's buddy with still to be replaced hip Wjsrtf or whatever his nick name is. That is what you call wisdom? Go to Santa Fe with them and visit the surgeon.

These oldies are sitting in their comfortable chairs and hate, not even being aware how close they are to stick a sharp subject into someone eye. Sick old people. Not even aware of their feelings they wouldn't be able to control.


Why are you replying to me then? People around me are, believe me, sick of your hate as much as I am.


Sorry Aks1, but you can't complain about me, Pete, Cascoly, Thijs, Mimi the Cat, DO, and others when you continue spewing garbage insults like those above.

If those are the best arguments you have to make 

If attacking people just because they happen to be older, more experienced, and perhaps even wiser than you is the only thing you can think of to make your points

Maybe you should just retire gracefully from this forum that you so recently joined. Three weeks ago, wasn't it?

Especially since you seem to be finding very little support here. Clearly you're not winning "hearts and minds" with your feeble attempts to present your point of view.
« Last Edit: February 27, 2022, 12:22 by marthamarks »

« Reply #116 on: February 27, 2022, 12:24 »
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After corona crisis and now Ukraine crisis i guess we probably will face an economic crisis next.
An economic crisis probably will affect sales a lot.
 

Aks1

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« Reply #117 on: February 27, 2022, 12:25 »
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I'm not your pal. And don't tell me what to do. Fck off old lady.

It looks like you want to hear just what suits you.  Why don't you just go with your oldy fellow Martha and get your hip replaced, or do whatever else oldies do.

"arguing the subject of a debate is wisdom" whaaat debate , what wisdom - to say Give Putin hell (Martha the oldy hip replacer)
or "Countries have freed themselves from the Soviet Union because they no longer wanted to belong to it and for fear of Russia they joined the West." this third grader sentence said by Martha's buddy with still to be replaced hip Wjsrtf or whatever his nick name is. That is what you call wisdom? Go to Santa Fe with them and visit the surgeon.

These oldies are sitting in their comfortable chairs and hate, not even being aware how close they are to stick a sharp subject into someone eye. Sick old people. Not even aware of their feelings they wouldn't be able to control.


Why are you replying to me then? People around me are, believe me, sick of your hate as much as I am.


Sorry Aks1, but you can't complain about me, Pete, Cascoly, Thijs, Mimi the Cat, DO, and others when you continue spewing garbage insults like those above.

If those are the best arguments you have to make 

If attacking people just because they happen to be older, more experienced, and perhaps even wiser than you is the only thing you can think of to make your points

Maybe you should just retire gracefully from this forum that you so recently joined. Three weeks ago, wasn't it?

Especially since you seem to be finding very little support here. Clearly you're not winning "hearts and minds" with your feeble attempts to present your point of view.
I'm not looking for support here, neither I'm here for hearts and minds of others. I'm here to tell you that that much hate in you is disgusting and dangerous.
You are definitely not the one to tell me to leave the forum, what makes you think you are? So I'm newbie here and that makes me less of a person? You are bulling me because I'm newbie here? And then you complain about me bulling you because of your age? What else you don't like about me? Color of the skin, nationality (that's for sure, you would hate me just based on that), my sexual orientation? I asked you before - is there some kind of test of your that I have to pass to be able to participate in the forum?

S2D2

« Reply #118 on: February 27, 2022, 12:34 »
+1

 

But since you asked, for starters, The USA could lead the others towards a no-fly zone above Ukraine, as we did in Bosnia, Lybia, etc...
And yes, I expect much more from Europe with war is at its gates than from a country 5000 miles away. The USA should stop being the policeman of the world and Europe should grow up and assume more responsibilities when it comes to its own safety.


...

which  is it? should the US stay out or impose a no-fly zone ? (which would be an act of war, certainly once they shoot down a Russian plane

Ok, I'll repeat myself: as I said above, it can be done like it was done in Bosnia, Libya, etc. If it was possible then, when it was easy in front of a weak enemy, it should be also possible today, even if the enemy is stronger.

It's a matter of principle, or else it's just hypocrisy.

At the same time, I am expecting more from Europe.


WHAT??

In all of your posts, and despite me asking you again and again, you still haven't said what you believe 'Europe' should do....

If you are so happy to attack members of this forum and 'Europe' or whoever/whatever it is your are attacking (difficult to tell sometimes) what is it exactly you believe should be happening that isn't (and by whom)??

Still waiting for an answer (Zero Talent) ......................😴

« Last Edit: February 27, 2022, 12:36 by DO »

SVH

« Reply #119 on: February 27, 2022, 12:41 »
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Russia propping up dictators like Sadam and Gaddafi plus dozens of other wannabe genocidal maniacs.

Vietnam the forceable reintegration by the Communist north supported by the Russians.  Korean war started by the Communist north supported by the Russians and Chinese.


Sadam was a puppet of the US and was helped by them in 1968 to perform a coup. Until he got a big mouth and the US was done with him.

Libia is one big mess now thanks to the intervention of the EU and the US.

The only reason that communism got ground in Vietnam and Laos was because of the ruthless oppression of the French who occupied those countries in that time. They saw communism as a liberation of the siege. So if you want to find a common factor in those countries look at France.

Actually everywhere the US has put his nose in, until now, has become a complete mess. Same goes for the EU who thinks they can change countries with their manufacturability idealism nowadays. And somehow this idealism only plays a role when there are geopolitical advantages to be made, not when some country in Africa is in ruins and help might be needed. I really believe people  should help themself, otherwise it will not work. The uprise really should come from within, otherwise it's doomed to fail. See for example Afghanistan. You cannot force your way of living upon a culture that does not understand it.

« Reply #120 on: February 27, 2022, 12:42 »
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After corona crisis and now Ukraine crisis i guess we probably will face an economic crisis next.
An economic crisis probably will affect sales a lot.

Yep, next up, internet/technology crisis. Financial crisis, to implement central bank and social credit system, like China has.

« Reply #121 on: February 27, 2022, 13:00 »
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Milosevic is hero! You can freely suck his you now what.

Milosevic is a corp who died in a prison cell as a war criminal.

« Reply #122 on: February 27, 2022, 13:06 »
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Russia propping up dictators like Sadam and Gaddafi plus dozens of other wannabe genocidal maniacs.



Sadam was US best friend until he didn't decided to try to control his oil prices.

Bin Laden was US agent trained at ST. Andrew.

Point.


« Reply #123 on: February 27, 2022, 13:36 »
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Finally Russia have send a clear message: dear Americans, your time as world policeman is over. You have been dropping bombs on Syria, Iraq, Libya, Serbia, Vietnam, Japan, etc., but it stops right now. What you gonna do? Will you crap your pants? Yes you will.

Weird, is not it? Of course you don't agree with that either.

Hadn't Russia dropped a few bombs on Syria too? At hospitals. Oh no, they denied that. And we've never caught them in a lie. A Dutch plane shot out of the sky. Oh no, they denied that too.
Ukraine attacked. Oh no, that was an exercise. Oh no, but it is an army of peace. Which country kills its own countrymen?
Coincidentally, I am now listening to a Dutch journalist, who has lived in Russia for thirty years, wrote that this would not happen and is now in shock that a brother nation is being murdered. like many of his Russians friends are in shock he said.

I've never said Russians are good boys. But, let's look again: Vietnam, Laos, Panama, Yugoslavia, Syria, Libya, Iraq, Afghanistan. Let's also look, I don0t know, tortures in Guantanamo. Or native Americans genocide. Or Israel. What about two atomic bombs? Are you blind or ignorant? You compare a journalist with 5.000.000 Vietnamese? Really?

Russia has demanded an end to NATOs eastward expansion and said Ukrainian membership of the US-led Atlantic military alliance was unacceptable.

Can you do it? Thinking I mean.

« Reply #124 on: February 27, 2022, 13:37 »
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