Quote from: niktol on July 22, 2018, 15:55

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 15:42

Again, the outrage we see in this case is not necessarily because it "was done to us", but because what "was done to us" is exactly what Trump publicly asked for. Trump called for a foreign "invasion" to help him seize power.

This thread is not about outrage agaist Russia's actions (Russia did what Russia does, no surprise here), but outrage against Trump, who embraced and defended them.

I seriously doubt the impact of foreign influence is all that large and decisive as it is suggested. I think it's minuscule, consider the available resources and investments. I truly think the brouhaha is a distraction powered by competition. So, let's say Trump is removed. The next person is not going to be a usual sociopathic and dishonest sellout? I guess we just have to agree to disagree. But hey, it's your country, do what you think is right.

Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

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Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 16:48


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.

Quote from: niktol on July 22, 2018, 17:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 16:48


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.

Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 18:05

Quote from: niktol on July 22, 2018, 17:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 16:48


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.

Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete

You mean "empirically impossible", not "logically impossible". Get it right, laddy.

Quote from: namussi on July 23, 2018, 06:25

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 18:05

Quote from: niktol on July 22, 2018, 17:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 16:48


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.

Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete

You mean "empirically impossible", not "logically impossible". Get it right, laddy.

Go back and do your homework, mister!

Equating ALL politicians with Trump is not only empirically false, it is also logically false!

I only need 1 (one) who is NOT a perfect clone of Trump, to prove my statement right.

You got confused, trying to be smart.

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 23, 2018, 13:09

Quote from: namussi on July 23, 2018, 06:25

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 18:05

Quote from: niktol on July 22, 2018, 17:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 16:48


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.

Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete

You mean "empirically impossible", not "logically impossible". Get it right, laddy.

Go back and do your homework, mister!

Equating ALL politicians with Trump is not only empirically false, it is also logically false!

I only need 1 (one) who is NOT a perfect clone of Trump, to prove my statement right.

You got confused, trying to be smart.

A three-sided square is logically impossible. What you are describing is in the realm of empiricism.

https://philosophy.hku.hk/think/meaning/possibility.php

Namussi & Zero Talent should go get a room

Quote from: Sammy the Cat on July 23, 2018, 13:46
Namussi & Zero Talent should go get a room

I was thinking of a cage for fighting in.

Quote from: namussi on July 23, 2018, 13:45

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 23, 2018, 13:09

Quote from: namussi on July 23, 2018, 06:25

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 18:05

Quote from: niktol on July 22, 2018, 17:03

Quote from: Zero Talent on July 22, 2018, 16:48


Since you moved from black and white principles to shades of gray and levels of influence (minuscule or not), I'll use the same approach and say that such levels of deceit, racism, misogyny, xenophobia and utter incompetence will hardly be matched again, by any replacement in the foreseeable future.

Moved? You make it sound so sneaky...I just carry on a casual conversation, making small talk if you wish. Like I said before I don't complain about politicians, they all look the same to me.

Even more:  you have shades of gray when it comes to involvement (minuscule or not), but just one color when it comes to politicians?

Accepting that Trump is "just another politician" is acually validating his behaviour and modus operandi.

Equating all politicians with Trump (logically impossible) demonstrates an extreme position making political debates, conversations, small talk, even elections and democracy logically obsolete

You mean "empirically impossible", not "logically impossible". Get it right, laddy.

Go back and do your homework, mister!

Equating ALL politicians with Trump is not only empirically false, it is also logically false!

I only need 1 (one) who is NOT a perfect clone of Trump, to prove my statement right.

You got confused, trying to be smart.

A three-sided square is logically impossible. What you are describing is in the realm of empiricism.

https://philosophy.hku.hk/think/meaning/possibility.php

Maybe only in some distant nightmarish future, when all known humans will be just perfect Trump clones, that statement can become empirically true.
Until then, the statement is logically false.

Niktol statement was made using present tense. The burden of proof is with Niktol: he has to test ALL politicians alive today to prove that his statement is true. Even if he manages to do that,  his demonstration will only be empirically true.

On the other hand, I said that: "ALL politicians are like Trump" is logically false.
I only need 1 (one) politician not like Trump to prove that my statement is logically correct.

I'll let you the freedom to choose him (or rather her), to prove that you were logically wrong, mister. 

This is not about semantics it's about Fascism.