Quote from: ichiro17 on December 24, 2008, 20:40

Christmas is about religion. and it pisses me off that people give gifts on Christmas and pretend like they know what its all about when they aren't christian.  Make your own holiday and give gifts if thats the case.  and you know what, Festivus sounds really good for people like them.  Maybe the airing of grievances will enlighten them a bit.  I just hate how people adopt religions when it suits them.

NO Christmas is about the birth of the son of God not about religion. Religon is a man made concept meant to help mankind explain and understand that which can not be understood. One does not have to have a tie to organized religion to be spirtual and or be Christian. I don't need a priest and a congregation to have a personal relationship with the son of God or to live by a simple set of spiritual principals and religion is not a mandate of Christmas celebration.

you also don't need jesus or christmas for principles either...what you need is a book by john stuart mills or nietzsche ...or umm...say the ridiculous laws the govern whatever country you live in

funny, those principles are a direct result from that very 'religion' that you don't need as part of the Christmas celebration.  the idea behind church and congregation is a sense of community, something that lacks at the very deepest core of society...and the isolationist perspective is a wonderful way of demonstrating that...sad to see it spreading...

i'm not having this argument...its not worth the effort

i'm going to go have my christmas meal, which ironically is with me and other people, not the son of God, who respectfully declined my invitation this year

Quote from: photoshow on December 24, 2008, 20:57

Quote from: ichiro17 on December 24, 2008, 20:40

Christmas is about religion. and it pisses me off that people give gifts on Christmas and pretend like they know what its all about when they aren't christian.  Make your own holiday and give gifts if thats the case.  and you know what, Festivus sounds really good for people like them.  Maybe the airing of grievances will enlighten them a bit.  I just hate how people adopt religions when it suits them.

NO Christmas is about the birth of the son of God not about religion. Religon is a man made concept meant to help mankind explain and understand that which can not be understood. One does not have to have a tie to organized religion to be spirtual and or be Christian. I don't need a priest and a congregation to have a personal relationship with the son of God or to live by a simple set of spiritual principals and religion is not a mandate of Christmas celebration.

you also don't need jeepers or christmas for principles either...what you need is a book by john stuart mills or nietzsche ...or umm...say the ridiculous laws the govern whatever country you live in

funny, those principles are a direct result from that very 'religion' that you don't need as part of the Christmas celebration.  the idea behind church and congregation is a sense of community, something that lacks at the very deepest core of society...and the isolationist perspective is a wonderful way of demonstrating that...sad to see it spreading...

i'm not having this argument...its not worth the effort

i'm going to go have my christmas meal, which ironically is with me and other people, not the son of God, who respectfully declined my invitation this year

Enjoy your meal and your fellowship, I shall be doing the same in a few hours.

I think i just got my comeuppance for trying to sneak in a little work on christmas day. my latop just died! After taking it to bits i'm pretty sure it's terminal, it's also 3.5 years old. iI guess it was protesting at being made to work over the holidays.

Still i can read the hard disk when its plugged into the desktop and i just finished on the dell web site ordering a nice new machine. I wasnt planning on buying a new latop on dec 25, but i guess i got myself a christmas present in 7-10 days time

have a great holiday