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Agency Based Discussion => Panthermedia.net => Topic started by: Freezingpictures on January 17, 2008, 18:19
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Panthermedia, the most successful German stockagency I know of went international today. Panthermedia is quite a good earner for me this and last month and this month definately in the top 5. But sometimes they have slow months.
This agency is now available in English.
It is an agency with midstockpricing.
Royalty is 50% but for non exclusive images it will be 30% in the future :(. Those who want to try it out here is my referral link: http://www.panthermedia.net/?aff=3733
For those who do not like referral links and want to sign up non the less go to this website: www.panthermedia.net.
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I've tried to register (used your referral link) however the form doesn't accept our postcodes (I'm from the UK), I've sent a massage to support, I'll update when I get a reply.
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Some portions of the contributor's area are still in German, too. But I'm glad to finally see the change. I've been wanting to contribute to them for quite a while now.
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Freezing:
Can you give us a summary of the website?
For example:
- Royalty rate
- Do they offer subscriptions?
- Min payout amount
When I did a search for "penguin", none of yours seemed to show up (which I thought was odd). I also noticed "PC" and "SA" checkboxes next to the search field. What do they stand for?
How does the rating system work? What is it used for?
And anything else you would like to share.
Thanks and may the Lord bless you.
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how is the upload system?
and I signed up to test things out a little... you now have a referred member :)
-and look for them in the poll's next month (or now if you haven't voted already for this month)
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Freez and Xenia have made so good remarks about them in the past that it's enticing to try them. I have noticed in FT that many buyers come from Germany (or maybe Switzerland and Austria), so it's (hopefully) a promising market.
Regards,
Adelaide
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Be careful, perhaps you're just wasting your time: PM has changed its royalties policy. Beginning from March '08 contributors who offer the work also at "cheaper" sites (*please see below) do get only 30% instead of 50%, and their pictures are pushed to the back of the search results.
*By PM's definition a "cheaper agency" is an agency which is selling a DIN A4@300dpi file for less then 49,90 EUR. This virtually includes all of the big microstocks and most of the (German) midstocks. Though PM offers smaller file sizes for a cheaper price than the midstock competition PM insists on its self-made DIN A4 criteria.
And just today PM has activated a thesaurus software which automatically adds keywords by derivations of the existing ones, thus generating pretty anoying keywords like e.g. "sexual intercourse" for nearly every picture of a nude body female or male - your models will certainly like that!
IMO at the moment PM is treating its contributors with disrespect and arrogance. I'm in the process of withdrawing from there.
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- Royalty rate
30% to 50%. But this may vary since PM has signed various partnerships and royalties from there can be significantly lower.
- Do they offer subscriptions?
I don't think so.
- Min payout amount
30 EUR at the moment, at least for German contributors (not sure about the international conditions).
How does the rating system work? What is it used for?
PM has two departments: a picture agency and a photo community. You may upload your picture to either one of these departments or to both at the same time. Ratings from the photo community do not affect the ranking in the picture agency. The picture agency has a separate ranking system where only reviewers can rate a picture.
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I have to agree with Lathspell. It is not about exclusive images, but about images which you sell on cheaper sites or similar images like the same subject from a different angel. For those the photographers will receive just 30% and they will be shown further back in the search engine.
I am not very often at panthermedia or read the forums there, but its kind of a different culture there. (all Germans!).
Yeah it seems many photographers do not like panthermedias last moves, they do not seem to listen very much to their photographers. I will stay there , they are currently a good income for me and we will see how it develops after the 30% rule will be introduced.
Yes, I just read about the new software they just introduced which adds keywords and it does seem to not to work very well and does things as lathspell mentioned. Currently the photographers are pretty upset about it and are waiting for a word of the staff. I will let you know about the development of this, since the discussion is all in German.
Upload:
There is the possibility to use FTP for upload, however 10 of your images first have to be rated "editorial tip" or "recommended" from the Reviewers. But it is not very hard to get editorial tips or a recommended rating from the reviewers, I get them very often. Also if you get these ratings, your images will show up higher in the search engine. If you have models in your images, they want you to check some boxes, like how many models, age, and emotions. otherwise no need for description. The bad news: It seems they do not us ITPC reading. They did at one time, right now at least it is not working for me.
What you get: 50% or 30% from these prices:
Standard license:
Screen-Thumb
200 x 150 Pixel
17 x 13 mm
4,90 EUR
Screen-Medium 600 x 400 Pixel 50 x 34 mm 9,90 EUR
Screen-High 1024 x 768 Pixel
87 x 65 mm
14,90 EUR
DIN-A6 1748 x 1240 Pixel
148 x 105 mm
29,90 EUR
DIN-A5
2480 x 1748 Pixel
210 x 148 mm
39,90 EUR
DIN-A4
3508 x 2480 Pixel
292 x 210 mm
49,90 EUR
DIN-A3 4960 x 3508 Pixel 420 x 292 mm 79,90 EUR
Merchandise license (similar to extended license):
Merchandising DIN-A6 1748 x 1240 Pixel
148 x 105 mm
89,90 EUR
Merchandising DIN-A5
2480 x 1748 Pixel
210 x 148 mm
119,90 EUR
Merchandising DIN-A4
3508 x 2480 Pixel
292 x 210 mm
149,90 EUR
Merchandising DIN-A3 4960 x 3508 Pixel 420 x 292 mm 239,90 EUR
Subscription:
Not that I know of
Min. Payout:
I haven't found anything, lathspell might be right, it was lower for me some time ago.
About my penguins can't be found:
You probably searched in the photocommunity, take a look at the bottom of the site and click on stockagency. Then try your search again.
Rating systems:
By reviewers will affect the placement in the search engine, by contributer will not affect anything and only possible if you select your images to be shown in the photocommunity too.
What does PC and SA mean?
PC means Photocommunity and SA means Stockagency. Some people just upload their image to the Photocommunity and some just to the Stockagency and some to both. You can choose. But somehow the search engine does not work in the Photocommunity, so if you want to search for images in the stockagency you have to go to the bottom of the page and click on Stockagency and search again.
BTW, they sell editorial images as well, but I do not know if they sell them successful
Payout:
If you request a payout, they will send the money within the first two weeks of the next month, but the sales which you will have until the payout will be included in it. They will notify you by e-mail if you have a sale. But very often you are notified about the sale and the amount is shown in your account a month later. I think that has something to do how the buyer pays. I still received e-mails of sales from December like 3 days ago.
Payout options:
Paypal
Wire transfer
Firstgate Click&Buy as far as I know
How well is Panthermedia doing:
In December my earnings were about similar to Stockxpert and better than Dramstime and Fotolia. With about 120 images online.
Reviews:
They officially say it takes 2-3 days, but actually it takes longer, the last time it took like a week. They are not very strict, like some micros have higher quality standards, but seem to be strict with property release.
Referal program:
10% for two years if you refer a photographer
(Thanx for signing up :))
I hope the information helps in your descision.
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I have some exclusives sessions there with stuff i don't want sell for microstock-prices works quite okay for me.
The upload-process is very painful imho.
30% is not good at all but still better than 20% prices itself are very good.
Sales are okay but not too impressive but i expect them to go down very soon simply because it's pretty easy to get new contributors in the international market but it will be extremely hard to reach new costumers in the over-saturated international market i don't see what more value they have to offer in comparison to the micros except higher prices.
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There ia an update about the issue with their new software and the inappropriate keywords this software generates, panthermedia said they will look into it and will delete inappropriate keywords and the photographers also will get the possibility to change keywords on their file manually. However it might take a few days.
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Thank you very very much for all the information!
> DIN-A4
> 3508 x 2480 Pixel
> 292 x 210 mm
> 49,90 EUR
30% of that are still 14,97 EUR. Would be fine with me. Don't like the lower position in the search engine, though.
> Rating systems:
> By reviewers will affect the placement in the search engine, by
> contributer will not affect anything
That's great. I wish Mostphotos had this, too.
However:
I have been watching Panthermedia since quite a while now, but their watermark is totally useless. I will not consider uploading until they get a really effective watermark!
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their keyword system is pretty much inefficient, especially with only 255 characters allowed and words in their basic form, so all my holding, smiling and other 'ings are now useless and i don't feel like doing my keywords again.
Besides uploading images from browser seems to be really tedious and sometimes after showing loading bar for some time it takes me to my images without latest image being uploading. Trying it on two different browsers, Opera and Mozilla.
So far have 8 images uploaded in 2 hours.
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Yes uploading with browsers is tedious. I just uploaded some more, also with opera browser. It worked as long as I did not open two browsers to upload two images at the same time. In addition I also used FTP today, which goes really fast. And I did not know that, but I discovered today they do read IPTC data if you upload via FTP.
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Hi everyone,
i just tried: its possibel to enter an postcode from UK to register at panthermedia... ;-)
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Interesting, you just got one more referred member. Thank you for the information.
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:) ;D :)! Thanx ;D
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I had problems registering at first but got in eventually and uploaded the first 20. 5 have been reviewed so far and I have 1 recommended and 1 editors tip. Need another 8 of those to be able to use FTP.
Will be interesting to see what sales are like there. I will upload some that are not on the micros to get the 50% commission.
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they charge for space and charge a set up fee?
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Do you think I would upload there if they did? :)
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Hi,
i read in another community, that starting from tomorrwo, panthermedia is oppening an ftp account for everyone (without 10 images in the editiors choise). Grat becaus now ITCP works form the first image on....
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i dont know why you dont want upload there... panther perhaps only 30% but i earn there every month at least 150 euros... is it a really good angency here in germany
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I uploaded a few photos by ftp, but then what? I can't find the photos. Where do I find my photos to edit?
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I uploaded about twenty pictures yesterday (by FTP). Half of them I found and edited. What a quirky upload system! After editing and selecting the category I clicked for the final save, and every time the save failed and I had to do it all again. No warning messages about field misses or anything like that.
The last time I took screen shots before saving to check if I was doing anything wrong. Everything was as it should be. They all worked on the second save. I gave up totally frustrated.
This morning I cannot access the remaining files. The site is clunky and slow, and times out on a lot of the links.
First impressions; not very impressive.
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Clivia, I had the same problem yesterday and my images did not show up in the imageprewiev. I thought it was just me who had problems...
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Ok I just uploaded a few with ftp. @Freedome, AFTER you have uploaded them go to "My Panther" then "My Images" and then to "Image Upload (FTP)".
Then you can edit your images. But yes, I just tried and noticed the same problem as Clivia and ason, images somehow have a problem getting saved. Like a week ago it worked well for me. I hope this is only temporary and they will solve the problem soon.
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Under german photographers they are called "Pannenmedia" that means literally translated "breakdownmedia" ;D
Every week they have a new problem, the servers are the slowest in the whole industry, and the upload system is as worse as istocks :D
Yes the they have sales from time to time but in the international market i don't see a bright future for them they are light-years behind the international competion 8)
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Out of their Agreement for submitters:
"You will receive a 50% share of the sales of your images via PantherMedia or 30% if you are also offering the images at cheaper stock image agencies."
So if you upload to ShutterStock, PantherMedia gets an extra bonus of 20% on your image. Where is the logic? I can imagine they give a bonus on exclusive images, or they price images also on "cheaper" agencies lower. But as it seems now, they just want to chastise photogs that are evil enough to upload to "cheap" agencies.
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They don't sell vector as EPS?
Anybody knows they have plans to change this?
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Freezing, appreciate your comments. I had done what you said, but none of my ftp photos showed up anywhere.
Also the thumbnails of some web uploaded photos are not showing up either. I don't know if I need to re-upload or just wait.
Ok I just uploaded a few with ftp. @Freedome, AFTER you have uploaded them go to "My Panther" then "My Images" and then to "Image Upload (FTP)".
Then you can edit your images. But yes, I just tried and noticed the same problem as Clivia and ason, images somehow have a problem getting saved. Like a week ago it worked well for me. I hope this is only temporary and they will solve the problem soon.
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I have the same problem with FTP. I have to "save" the images twice in the "ftp uploaded section" to get to the next one, and then I get one working and one not working image.....really annoying. I uploaded 1000+ images. Don't want to have to do it all over again.
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was wondering if anyone else had this problem-I keyword in photoshop, and it saves as semicolons. Then when I upload to Panthermedia it only accepts commas, so I have to delete all my semicolons by hand and replace them with commas. I can't be the only one with this problem, as I am sure others keyword in PS? Anyway, that is a HUGE pain if I am going to have to do that with thousands of images I think I am screwed.
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My photoshop keywords upload fine here. Why do they review so slow? It's been like coming on 2 weeks already...I only had one images reviewed out of 16
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They have probably been swamped by all of us trying to get our portfolios on there. My first reviews were all in about 7 days but it has slowed down now.
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Hello,
yes, review time is very long...
But I did my first selling there :) (and got €19.95).
I hope this is not an exception ;)
(Freezing pictures, I think I am your affiliate, if you can confirm...)