Author Topic: Rights Managed at Panther (Read 10120 times)

etienjones · « **on:** April 13, 2012, 07:45 »

The news letter from Panther "Important Legal Info - Rights Managed Images and our new platform PantherStock" has an inactive link (RM overview page) concerning Rights Managed Images. After contacting them, they sent me this email with the correct link:

Hi, here is the correct link: http://contributor.panthermedia.net/cms/overview-rights-managed-licenses

Best regards
PantherMedia team

lagereek · « **Reply #1 on:** April 13, 2012, 10:09 »

I am all for RM business, no doubt. Although, whats happening? is it OK to just go ahead and activate it? or, will the images activated be exclusive to Panther? i.e, not to exist on other sites.

Microbius · « **Reply #2 on:** April 13, 2012, 10:28 »

This was at the bottom of the email describing the RM stuff:
"Tax adjustment for international photographers

We had to modify the payout for our international photographers. PantherMedia has to deduct a general income tax at 15% for all international photographers outside of Germany (§15a German Income Tax Act). Based upon the Double Tax Treaty between Germany and your respective country, you do not have to pay additional income tax in your country.

Please note: This income tax has nothing to do with VAT. All private people, as well as companies have to pay this tax in Germany. For additional info, please have a look at the Double Tax Treaty between Germany and your country or refer to your tax consultant. "

Microbius · « **Reply #3 on:** April 13, 2012, 10:33 »

The way I read the RM description is that it is actually like the API stuff Fotolia does where the customer doesn't buy an extended license for print on demand but will have to pay only in the event of selling an item, and pay per item.
With other micros it was a matter of them buying a standard license with each sale on behalf of the person who buys the poster etc., with PM it sounds like they will be paying a percentage of the final item cost.

It doesn't actually sound anything like traditional RM, I think they are just dressing it up to sound a bit nicer.

Microbius · « **Reply #4 on:** April 13, 2012, 10:34 »

Quote from: lagereek on April 13, 2012, 10:09

I am all for RM business, no doubt. Although, whats happening? is it OK to just go ahead and activate it? or, will the images activated be exclusive to Panther? i.e, not to exist on other sites.

Just to make clear, it sounds like they will paying less per sale under the new scheme compared to RF not more
"An online-printer for posters wants to offer one million images in his online shop, but he cannot afford to purchase a Royalty Free license for every image for € 49,90 in advance. Purchasing a XXL license for a poster that is sold for € 9,90 does not make economical sense. Consequently, the images will only be licensed in the case somebody actually purchases and pays the poster. Hence, the photographer is paid per print. This cooperation is just one out of many potential new ways to distribute images. And it is fair for everybody involved."

lagereek · « **Reply #5 on:** April 13, 2012, 11:04 »

Quote from: Microbius on April 13, 2012, 10:33

The way I read the RM description is that it is actually like the API stuff Fotolia does where the customer doesn't buy an extended license for print on demand but will have to pay only in the event of selling an item, and pay per item.
With other micros it was a matter of them buying a standard license with each sale on behalf of the person who buys the poster etc., with PM it sounds like they will be paying a percentage of the final item cost.

It doesn't actually sound anything like traditional RM, I think they are just dressing it up to sound a bit nicer.

Thanks! yeah I think youre right here, its not trad RM, it sounds nice though, anything new is worthwhile, isnt it.

best.

click_click · « **Reply #6 on:** April 13, 2012, 11:37 »

Quote from: Microbius on April 13, 2012, 10:28

PantherMedia has to deduct a general income tax at 15% for all international photographers outside of Germany (§15a German Income Tax Act). Based upon the Double Tax Treaty between Germany and your respective country, you do not have to pay additional income tax in your country. ...

I don't know what's going on. I'm with a few German agencies and they don't pull that on me.

Sent an email to support to see what's happening. If it's true, I'm out. Commissions are down in the toilet for me there not to mention the slow sales.

trek · « **Reply #7 on:** April 13, 2012, 18:06 »

Ummm... Is it okay to license images as RF and RM at Panther? At Alamy it's one or the other... never both.

Microbius · « **Reply #8 on:** April 16, 2012, 01:10 »

I don't see a problem with licensing both RM and RF in the way PM describes RM. Doesn't sound like they will be offering any exclusivity or anything, it sounds like licensing that falls under RF with sites like FL and so on to me.

Wim · « **Reply #10 on:** April 18, 2012, 04:41 »

Thanks for participating and clearing that up in the forum Robert, much appreciated.

Microbius · « **Reply #11 on:** April 18, 2012, 04:53 »

Thanks for the clarification, that's what I thought

mtkang · « **Reply #12 on:** April 19, 2012, 21:55 »

I am selling some rights managed images in other site, do u guys think there is a violation of RM license if i sell in pathermedia too?

Team PantherMedia · « **Reply #13 on:** April 20, 2012, 02:55 »

@mtkang,

unless you have not signed an exclusive ditributor agreement, there is no conflict. If you sell the same images as RF anywhere else, then there is definitely no conflict.

Best regards,

Robert

mtkang · « **Reply #14 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:10 »

Hi Robert,

what I understand is panthermedia let's the buyer have an option to purchase RF image based on usage with different price and name this special license as 'RM'. I have no problem with RF image that i have submitted to Panthermedia that opt in this option.

But it is different with traditional RM license right?

if i list my image in Panthermedia, my image will still consider as RF, that's mean buyer will still able to buy it as RF but not RM only license. Is there a way to choose on RM license?

Quote from: Team PantherMedia on April 20, 2012, 02:55

@mtkang,

unless you have not signed an exclusive ditributor agreement, there is no conflict. If you sell the same images as RF anywhere else, then there is definitely no conflict.

Best regards,

Robert

Team PantherMedia · « **Reply #15 on:** April 20, 2012, 03:35 »

@mtkang,

On our website, customers will only have the option to purchase images as RF via credits or on invoice, optionally subscription.

ONLY partners will get individual licences (RM) for their indivudual business model, e.g. print on posters.

In panthermedia.net, please go to contributior portal -> Policy Management and set your images to "RM yes/no", so you can define if you want to enable partners to get RM in addition to the standard RF.

Best regards,

Robert

Metsafile · « **Reply #16 on:** April 20, 2012, 06:35 »

Why call this special license Rights Managed when RM means something different at most sites?

Team PantherMedia · « **Reply #17 on:** April 20, 2012, 07:21 »

It is not different. RM = pay for a certain usage. And that is what we do.

sgoodwin4813 · « **Reply #18 on:** April 20, 2012, 07:34 »

Thanks for the explanations - I think I understand it now. The new PM license is RM because it is for a specific use instead of RF allowing for any usage. However, this is not RM in the same sense as at e.g., Alamy, where it means that you know how the image has been used (although I suppose it could apply in the case of PM). To be safe, I think I will keep my RM images at Alamy and elsewhere separate, but will certainly opt in to RM on PM - sounds like they are responding to a need and if it leads to more sales for higher prices we will all be happy.

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