Author Topic: Are these Images to "Red"? (Read 4081 times)

Dantheman · « **on:** October 02, 2012, 05:58 »

Hi,

I bought a new monitor a few weeks ago and am unsure if the colors are displayed correctly.
I bought a Dell U2711 and calibrated it with my spyder 3 pro.
The colors seemed a bit of at first, but i thought it was just the wide gamut display displaying the colors correctly now.

Thing is, whenever i look at my images from another pc (or phone etc.) i have the feeling that the skin-tones are way too red.

Thats why i am asking you guys & girls for advice. I know a lot of you have calibrated monitors and that i can therefore trust your opinion.

I attached three images. Are the skin tones too red? Are they way off or just a bit?

thanks in advance

Dantheman · « **Reply #1 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:00 »

funny enough, when i view the images on the site here, they look a lot more reddish then in PS. Is it because Google chrome doesn't use the calibrated settings?

ShadySue · « **Reply #2 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:09 »

The skin tones look red to me too: using Firefox.

leaf · « **Reply #3 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:14 »

My eyes aren't super great with colors but I can see that the images you posted look pretty red, yeah. That said, when I drag them into photoshop, they look quite fine.

kikkerdirk · « **Reply #4 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:21 »

The colors are indeed quite red! You can use LAB color values to check colors. Skin tones for caucasian people should give positive A and B values where the B is at least equal to the A or higher. For red haired, kids and natural blondes the B value may be a little lower than the A value.
Your models are dark haired so the B should be higher than the A. The values on your images read approximately L= 70 A=28 B=23 (first image) L=70 A=28 B=19 (second image) These are measurement on the forehead. Correct colors should be something like A= 23 and B=26

The LAB color system is the best for color correction. If you want to know more about it you should read "Professional Photoshop" by Dan Margulis or check his classes at Kelby training.com

ShadySue · « **Reply #5 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:22 »

Hmmm. I only tried the top one, where the doctor's face is, to my eyes, the most red. But I copied it into PS, made the window fit the image and compared it to the image on my browser in the thread and they looked the same.

SIFD · « **Reply #6 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:30 »

the color looks odd besides being too red, check on the woman's shoulder area.

did you shot in JEPG?

Dantheman · « **Reply #7 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:33 »

Quote from: leaf on October 02, 2012, 06:14

My eyes aren't super great with colors but I can see that the images you posted look pretty red, yeah. That said, when I drag them into photoshop, they look quite fine.

This is exactly whats happening to me. In photoshop & lightroom they look fine and everywhere else they seem wrong.
I must be doing something wrong with the color management.

Quote from: kikkerdirk on October 02, 2012, 06:21

The colors are indeed quite red! You can use LAB color values to check colors. Skin tones for caucasian people should give positive A and B values where the B is at least equal to the A or higher. For red haired, kids and natural blondes the B value may be a little lower than the A value.
Your models are dark haired so the B should be higher than the A. The values on your images read approximately L= 70 A=28 B=23 (first image) L=70 B=28 C=19 (second image) These are measurement on the forehead. Correct colors should be something like a= 23 and B=26

The LAB color system is the best for color correction. If you want to know more about it you should read "Professional Photoshop" by Dan Margulis or check his classes at Kelby training.com

Thanks for this tip! I can never really trust my monitor or eyes

!!
If i understand correctly, B must be higher than A and thats not the case in my images?

Quote from: ShadySue on October 02, 2012, 06:22

Hmmm. I only tried the top one, where the doctor's face is, to my eyes, the most red. But I copied it into PS, made the window fit the image and compared it to the image on my browser in the thread and they looked the same.

I just did some reading and firefox seems to use the calibrated settings, whereas Chrome and Internet Explorer don't,
This will most probably be the reason why they are showing the same.

Thanks for all the help. There is definitively somewhere something wrong with my settings. Now i will just need to find the issue

Funny enough, the Agencies where still accepting most of my images

Dantheman · « **Reply #8 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:34 »

Quote from: SIFD on October 02, 2012, 06:30

the color looks odd besides being too red, check on the woman's shoulder area.

did you shot in JEPG?

Images where shot in RAW and post processed in TIFF using ProPhoto color-space (standard when using Lightroom with Photoshop). I then exported the images in lightroom into sRGB.

kikkerdirk · « **Reply #9 on:** October 02, 2012, 06:36 »

You're welcome! I can't trust my eyes either because I'm colorblind, but by reading the LAB numbers I'm able to get them right.

estionx · « **Reply #10 on:** October 03, 2012, 09:27 »

Yes,the tones look red,using chrome and imac 21.5

XPTO · « **Reply #11 on:** October 03, 2012, 09:35 »

I have a monitor calibrated with spyder pro and the skin tones do look too much red.

velocicarpo · « **Reply #12 on:** October 03, 2012, 09:44 »

Yes, a little to reddish...
BTW: The Problem with the difference of the display of colors in Browser (on Agencies) vs. PS (with C Profile) is old and known. Sadly there is no general rule for the handling of color spaces in MS.

rimglow · « **Reply #13 on:** October 03, 2012, 14:09 »

I opened your images and found that the Color Profile is Adobe RGB (1998). You need to convert your Pofile to sRGB IEC61966-2.1.
Posting images on the web in Adobe RGB will wreak havoc on your color. Only use Adobe RGB when submitting for print.

I adjusted the red in Camera Raw and converted the Profile.

Dantheman · « **Reply #14 on:** October 03, 2012, 14:24 »

Quote from: rimglow on October 03, 2012, 14:09

I opened your images and found that the Color Profile is Adobe RGB (1998). You need to convert your Pofile to sRGB IEC61966-2.1.
Posting images on the web in Adobe RGB will wreak havoc on your color. Only use Adobe RGB when submitting for print.

Are you sure? I definitely exported into sRGB using lightroom and even downsized them for the forum in PS using Save for Web (with convert to sRGB selected).

rimglow · « **Reply #15 on:** October 03, 2012, 14:28 »

I never trust Save for Web in PS. Can be buggy.

leaf · « **Reply #16 on:** October 03, 2012, 14:36 »

my photoshop says they are sRGB ..

Dantheman · « **Reply #17 on:** October 03, 2012, 14:37 »

Quote from: rimglow on October 03, 2012, 14:28

I never trust Save for Web in PS. Can be buggy.

I also just double checked and it says sRGB.

Maybe you accidentally converted it after opening the file. Usually a menu pops up if you wan't to convert it into the standard workspace.

rimglow · « **Reply #18 on:** October 03, 2012, 14:49 »

Just dragging to my Desktop and not even opening in PS, I type Command-I (get info) and get this:

Once I convert it to sRBG and save it, the Color space in Command-I changes to sRBG.
Can't explain why others are seeing different.

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