Author Topic: Input Needed - How to handle Excess Tags (Read 7026 times)

joshsprague · « **on:** July 31, 2012, 09:27 »

steheap · « **Reply #1 on:** July 31, 2012, 09:35 »

Josh

A good set of questions, and one that I grapple with as I upload images to many sites. As far as I know, there are no sites that require less than 50 keywords, but different sites handle compound keywords differently - so if I put thailand,royal palace,cambodia in my keywords, that counts as three on most sites, but sometimes I find that sites will accept these as three if the total is less than 50, but if I've made a mistake and added 52 keywords in total, the site suddenly disassembles my compound keywords and I have to remove quite a few to get back to 50. I'm not 100% sure if Photodune does that, but that can be pretty annoying.

I now try very hard to only submit 50 keywords (with my compound ones counting as one), and so it is only when I make a mistake that I have to remove them. In that case, I would much prefer to remove the ones that I think are on the edge of being useful. A count of remaining keywords would be great, as it is trial and error at the moment on Photodune. Removing them automatically would not work for me as I use Lightroom to keyword my images and that always sorts them alphabetically, so my most important keyword may be at the end. I've also found a neat plugin for Lightroom that counts my keywords (described it here: http://www.backyardsilver.com/2012/07/how-to-count-the-number-of-keywords-in-lightroom/), so I should now be much better organized.

So my suggestion - put a count of keywords over 50, don't disaggregate compound keywords, and let me choose which ones to delete.

Steve

Microbius · « **Reply #2 on:** July 31, 2012, 09:53 »

Sites that require less than 50:
Crestock: 35
Graphic River (one of yours): 30
Pocketstock: 40

It sucks when sites take less than the standard, sites like these are losing images because of it, as no one is going to bother keywording just for these small fry.

50 is the industry standard, let the contributor know if they are over and hold the image leaving it up to them to delete.

So: the "-Add tag count and allow contributors to pick and choose what tags to remove." option

cascoly · « **Reply #3 on:** July 31, 2012, 12:21 »

set the default to automatically trim to first 50

an option to manually edit the tags would be nice but secondary

steheap · « **Reply #4 on:** July 31, 2012, 12:31 »

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Sites that require less than 50:
Crestock: 35
Graphic River (one of yours): 30
Pocketstock: 40

I'm sure you are right about Crestock (gave up on that one a long time ago), but I think Pocketstock is 50. I've just checked one image I uploaded last week and it has 43 keywords including some compound ones.

Steve

joshsprague · « **Reply #5 on:** July 31, 2012, 20:19 »

Thanks for the feedback so far, really appreciate it and looking forward to more

LesHoward · « **Reply #6 on:** August 01, 2012, 00:14 »

I think the better approach is to provide a counter and let the contributor choose which keywords to delete.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #7 on:** August 01, 2012, 00:30 »

I think it's important to let the contributor choose, and helpful to have the option to automatically take the first 50.

I think if you do let the contributor choose, you need to keep the keyword count updated as items are deleted - so there's no guessing about how many more to remove.

I don't know how your search works with stems and plurals, but if you automatically find items keyworded "duck" if the searcher enters "ducks" and color/colour, painted/paint, etc. then you could really help by handling removal of redundant keywords. Shutterstock does this (they have a feedback loop where they tell you about misspellings and redundant words). That would help get the total count down if people have lots of words just to handle the variations in US/UK english and words with a common stem.

THP Creative · « **Reply #8 on:** August 01, 2012, 20:50 »

Quote from: jsnover on August 01, 2012, 00:30

I think it's important to let the contributor choose, and helpful to have the option to automatically take the first 50.

I think if you do let the contributor choose, you need to keep the keyword count updated as items are deleted - so there's no guessing about how many more to remove.

I don't know how your search works with stems and plurals, but if you automatically find items keyworded "duck" if the searcher enters "ducks" and color/colour, painted/paint, etc. then you could really help by handling removal of redundant keywords. Shutterstock does this (they have a feedback loop where they tell you about misspellings and redundant words). That would help get the total count down if people have lots of words just to handle the variations in US/UK english and words with a common stem.

+1. Think jsnover has hit it on the head. And thanks joshsprague for actually asking us instead of just implementing something!

joshsprague · « **Reply #9 on:** August 01, 2012, 22:53 »

This is exactly what we are looking for, thanks to everyone for the feedback. We'll keep an eye on this thread for a couple more day before moving forward

Microbius · « **Reply #10 on:** August 02, 2012, 05:57 »

Quote from: steheap on July 31, 2012, 12:31

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Sites that require less than 50:
Crestock: 35
Graphic River (one of yours): 30
Pocketstock: 40

I'm sure you are right about Crestock (gave up on that one a long time ago), but I think Pocketstock is 50. I've just checked one image I uploaded last week and it has 43 keywords including some compound ones.

Steve

http://www.pocketstock.com/contributor/faqs#faq-11-4
"3. How many keywords can I use?
There are a minimum of 8 keywords required and a maximum of 40 per image. It is therefore important to make sure that you are using the most important words to describe the image."

I guess they need to update their faq maybe?

Microbius · « **Reply #11 on:** August 02, 2012, 06:00 »

Quote from: cascoly on July 31, 2012, 12:21

set the default to automatically trim to first 50

an option to manually edit the tags would be nice but secondary

Please don't do this!
Few people put their keywords in order of priority as most agencies don't require it and just order the words alphabetically.
I can see why you would want the advantage if you are one of the few who do but it will make your agency's search a total mess.

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Author Topic: Input Needed - How to handle Excess Tags (Read 7026 times)

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