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Lightrecorder

« Reply #50 on: October 29, 2014, 03:41 »
+14
Gaby, the problem is that for you a landscape photo is a landscape photo. You dont care about the location it was shot at. Problem with that is, for you every mountain looks the same, for a local its a completely different mountain every time. You just run through a batch of landscape images and hit reject 97 times after you approved 3. Even if the images are from a different area in the country all together. Same goes for vertical and horizontal shots. If you are this superb agency you want to be, then you might start to consider that buyers need vertical and horizontal orientation. Those are not duplicate images. I always love the blah blah from these self claimed 'experienced' people missing out on basic facts and really have little clue about what they are doing or whats going on a few levels below their paycheck.


« Reply #51 on: October 29, 2014, 08:18 »
+9
These guys are incompetent.  I thought I had my issues resolved with them and bam, rejecting good images. One was "too much black space. 1/3 of the image has black space for copy. I guess they expect us to crop to one pixel above the subject. Forget it.

« Reply #52 on: October 29, 2014, 13:13 »
-4
......
It's often tempting to compare rejections from different sites, but it's also important to keep in mind that images that were approved on another site 5-10 years ago (even if they sold well), might not meet their current standards anymore (this is important for those submitting their existing portfolios to Photodune). Just like it's possible that the standards on site X or Y are simply different.
nice try to divert criticism but I don't think anyone here was using old submissions as a comparison-- we're talking about CURRENT submissions that are accepted AND sold by other agencies, but are bulk rejected by photodune

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....We feel by being slightly more selective, we are not only making the site more attractive and useful to existing and new customers, but as a bonus are also increasing your chances of sales on files that do get approved. Being more lenient would only have the opposite effect.....
 
would be nice if that were the case  BUT
doubling a 0% sales rate doesn't help anyone -- just as others have reported here - I had more sales on most & featurepics than photodune ever managed to produce


Genuinely, there was no intention to divert criticism. With all due respect, "Just like it's possible that the standards on site X or Y are simply different." was also mentioned in my post.

Authors submitting existing portfolios to Photodune (often including files from 2005 or older) is quite frequent and it's why I felt that part was also relevant.

Regarding sales, Photodune is still fairly young compared to sites that have been around for 10+ years. And even so, many authors are doing quite well. Now we're certainly not saying everything is perfect, we acknowledge that. Although it's not always visible from the outside, you can all rest assured that significant resources are working on improving the site, on all fronts.

Lightrecorder

« Reply #53 on: October 29, 2014, 13:25 »
+11
I am submitting brand new images, my acceptance ratio went from 90% to 20%. You can spin it anyway you like, but thats what it is, just spin.

And dont give me other sites have different standards crap, images are good or they are not. These image get 100% acceptance ACROSS THE BOARD.

Lightrecorder

« Reply #54 on: October 29, 2014, 13:37 »
+7
Another thing, I loved Photodune, sales were slow but regular, slow growth, easy submit process. Always been positive about you guys, until you became the evil brother of Fotolia. You are alienating contributors, how is that good for business??

« Reply #55 on: October 29, 2014, 14:00 »
+16
I'm leaving the files I have there as sales are steady, if not all that high in volume, but I don't upload there any more.

Earlier this year I submitted a batch of images (30 or so I think) and I believe only 2 or three were accepted. I've no idea what the rejection reasons were as there's no record of that on the site. It's irrelevant anyway - Shutterstock is selling them and PhotoDune isn't. Shutterstock can sell over 20x what PhotoDune does in a month, so if I were to use a yardstick as to whose reviewers to try and cater to...

Any agency is entitled to set whatever standards they want to, but if, at some point, you wonder why some people don't enter your contests or don't upload any more you might take a look at your reviewing process as one of the factors.

« Reply #56 on: October 29, 2014, 14:27 »
+9
A bit relieved to hear it isn't just me.. :-\

« Reply #57 on: October 31, 2014, 15:29 »
+10


"As you all know, the industry has changed over the past few years and so has the customer expectations. We feel by being slightly more selective, we are not only making the site more attractive and useful to existing and new customers, but as a bonus are also increasing your chances of sales on files that do get approved. Being more lenient would only have the opposite effect."



So bottom line, if you have multiple rejections you strongly disagree with, I re-invite you to contact us and let us know about it with the list of images you think should have been approved. There's 2 possible outcomes:
1. We overturn our initial decision, approve your images and provide feedback to our reviewers.
2. We confirm initial decision was accurate and provide you with personalized feedback so you have all the information required for your future submissions.



The problem is this Gaby

1. I don't have the time to constantly email Envato to query rejections.  At the rate you guys reject I would spend all my time emailing and little else"

2. Customer expectations may be higher but lets face it Envato are still paying less than the price of a MaccaD Happy Meal for these "higher quality standards"

If you were paying a couple of hundred bucks per sale I'd understand your principle.

You earn me 0.59% of my overall turnover with 16 agencies so it is not worth spending any more of 60 hours a week I put in to this business trying to convince Envato to do anymore than they are doing which is rejecting and rejecting and rejecting  ;)

« Reply #58 on: October 31, 2014, 16:44 »
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My acceptance rate is, I guess, around 95%. I guess I provide what they consider their library needs.
Sales could be better, but having in mind that I signed up to PhotoDune (and CanStock)  in order to replace BigStock (where I quit uploading because of poor results) and already have 4-6 times more revenue from PD alone, I can't say I'm not pleased.

Maybe PD has a specific demographic they cater to, I guess their reviewers are not mentally handicapped, but provide feedback depending on the needs of the library and pre-selected criteria. PD to me seems like a very modern agency going in the right direction, and I'm pumped to see what new they have in store. Hopefully some spending will also go to marketing, so we see an additional boost of sales. :)

« Reply #59 on: October 31, 2014, 17:04 »
-2


"As you all know, the industry has changed over the past few years and so has the customer expectations. We feel by being slightly more selective, we are not only making the site more attractive and useful to existing and new customers, but as a bonus are also increasing your chances of sales on files that do get approved. Being more lenient would only have the opposite effect."



So bottom line, if you have multiple rejections you strongly disagree with, I re-invite you to contact us and let us know about it with the list of images you think should have been approved. There's 2 possible outcomes:
1. We overturn our initial decision, approve your images and provide feedback to our reviewers.
2. We confirm initial decision was accurate and provide you with personalized feedback so you have all the information required for your future submissions.



The problem is this Gaby

1. I don't have the time to constantly email Envato to query rejections.  At the rate you guys reject I would spend all my time emailing and little else"

2. Customer expectations may be higher but lets face it Envato are still paying less than the price of a MaccaD Happy Meal for these "higher quality standards"

If you were paying a couple of hundred bucks per sale I'd understand your principle.

You earn me 0.59% of my overall turnover with 16 agencies so it is not worth spending any more of 60 hours a week I put in to this business trying to convince Envato to do anymore than they are doing which is rejecting and rejecting and rejecting  ;)

Fair enough, at least you know the option is always there. :) The vast majority of authors that contacted us in the last few months have been pleased with the outcome. They either got their images overturned or they were provided with more personalized feedback that helped them improve their acceptance rate.

Quite understandably, nobody likes getting their images rejected. It would make things so much easier for everyone, even more so for our reviewers, if we approved every submitted file. While many authors would be thrilled at first they probably wouldn't be too pleased with the resultant a year or 2 down the road...

« Reply #60 on: October 31, 2014, 17:09 »
-1
My acceptance rate is, I guess, around 95%. I guess I provide what they consider their library needs.
Sales could be better, but having in mind that I signed up to PhotoDune (and CanStock)  in order to replace BigStock (where I quit uploading because of poor results) and already have 4-6 times more revenue from PD alone, I can't say I'm not pleased.

Maybe PD has a specific demographic they cater to, I guess their reviewers are not mentally handicapped, but provide feedback depending on the needs of the library and pre-selected criteria. PD to me seems like a very modern agency going in the right direction, and I'm pumped to see what new they have in store. Hopefully some spending will also go to marketing, so we see an additional boost of sales. :)

It's nice to also hear from those having a positive experience. I'm pretty confident you'll be pleased with what the future holds. :)

Lio

« Reply #61 on: October 31, 2014, 18:45 »
+3
A bit relieved to hear it isn't just me.. :-\

Me too...

« Reply #62 on: November 01, 2014, 05:25 »
+1


"As you all know, the industry has changed over the past few years and so has the customer expectations. We feel by being slightly more selective, we are not only making the site more attractive and useful to existing and new customers, but as a bonus are also increasing your chances of sales on files that do get approved. Being more lenient would only have the opposite effect."



So bottom line, if you have multiple rejections you strongly disagree with, I re-invite you to contact us and let us know about it with the list of images you think should have been approved. There's 2 possible outcomes:
1. We overturn our initial decision, approve your images and provide feedback to our reviewers.
2. We confirm initial decision was accurate and provide you with personalized feedback so you have all the information required for your future submissions.



The problem is this Gaby

1. I don't have the time to constantly email Envato to query rejections.  At the rate you guys reject I would spend all my time emailing and little else"

2. Customer expectations may be higher but lets face it Envato are still paying less than the price of a MaccaD Happy Meal for these "higher quality standards"

If you were paying a couple of hundred bucks per sale I'd understand your principle.

You earn me 0.59% of my overall turnover with 16 agencies so it is not worth spending any more of 60 hours a week I put in to this business trying to convince Envato to do anymore than they are doing which is rejecting and rejecting and rejecting  ;)

Fair enough, at least you know the option is always there. :) The vast majority of authors that contacted us in the last few months have been pleased with the outcome. They either got their images overturned or they were provided with more personalized feedback that helped them improve their acceptance rate.

Quite understandably, nobody likes getting their images rejected. It would make things so much easier for everyone, even more so for our reviewers, if we approved every submitted file. While many authors would be thrilled at first they probably wouldn't be too pleased with the resultant a year or 2 down the road...



It's not the "nobody likes getting their images rejected" don't kid a kidder! ::)


The trouble is that I look at the Photodune offerings and they are not Stocksy or Offset styled images the bulk of them are just the run of the mill stock schlock that you pick up anywhere.




And the other thing is you do a few searches on PD and all the best match images look horribly similar in some cases just clone after clone of the same angle lighting and set up.

It smells of formulaic target fixation


« Reply #64 on: November 04, 2014, 11:31 »
+8
I usually just lurk, read and enjoy this forum without commenting.  This however is an exception due to the frustration with Photodune.

I`ve got over 27,000 accepted images/clips with 12 agencies so must be doing something right.  Photodune went from accepting everything to accepting virtually nothing.  As it amounts to less than 1% of my revenue it is simply not worth me wasting the time in uploading. 

I would be worried if it was Shutterstock, iStock, Alamy, FT, DT, 123 and Pond 5 [95% of my sales] but they are not.

There will be no more uploading from me until I see evidence via this forum that things have changed.

Lightrecorder

« Reply #65 on: November 04, 2014, 14:00 »
+4
As you can see from the replies from PD its all to deaf ears

« Reply #66 on: November 04, 2014, 20:36 »
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Not sure why, but I am still getting almost all my submissions accepted at Photodune.  My works are nothing special, so I don't understand why so many others are getting a lot of rejections.  Just thought I would say something to give balance to  the discussion.

« Reply #67 on: November 04, 2014, 20:47 »
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Not sure why, but I am still getting almost all my submissions accepted at Photodune.  My works are nothing special, so I don't understand why so many others are getting a lot of rejections.  Just thought I would say something to give balance to  the discussion.

Post a link to your portfolio, please

« Reply #68 on: November 04, 2014, 22:02 »
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Not sure why, but I am still getting almost all my submissions accepted at Photodune.  My works are nothing special, so I don't understand why so many others are getting a lot of rejections.  Just thought I would say something to give balance to  the discussion.

Post a link to your portfolio, please

I choose to be anonymous on this forum. 

You are free to disbelieve me if you want. 
« Last Edit: November 04, 2014, 22:04 by PixelBytes »

« Reply #69 on: November 04, 2014, 22:15 »
+2
Not sure why, but I am still getting almost all my submissions accepted at Photodune.  My works are nothing special, so I don't understand why so many others are getting a lot of rejections.  Just thought I would say something to give balance to  the discussion.

Post a link to your portfolio, please

I choose to be anonymous on this forum. 

You are free to disbelieve me if you want.

No, not about to disbelieve. Just to got the idea what accept and what reject now. But it's your right to be anonymous.

Lightrecorder

« Reply #70 on: November 05, 2014, 07:06 »
+6
Not sure why, but I am still getting almost all my submissions accepted at Photodune.  My works are nothing special, so I don't understand why so many others are getting a lot of rejections.  Just thought I would say something to give balance to  the discussion.
I need to become a different photographer to get stuff accepted. I know what they are looking for. Thats what I meant earlier. I need to change my subject to something else. Its like asking a car designer  to start designing motor bikes. If they would bring in money like SS I would do it, but they dont. So I stop submitting.

« Reply #71 on: November 05, 2014, 09:50 »
+3
Not sure why, but I am still getting almost all my submissions accepted at Photodune.  My works are nothing special, so I don't understand why so many others are getting a lot of rejections.  Just thought I would say something to give balance to  the discussion.
I need to become a different photographer to get stuff accepted. I know what they are looking for. Thats what I meant earlier. I need to change my subject to something else. Its like asking a car designer  to start designing motor bikes. If they would bring in money like SS I would do it, but they dont. So I stop submitting.

They are a site I only check once a month or so. If I make $50 I'm lucky. If I make $75, I know it's a one-off.  You're right. If the ROI was worth it I would jump through another hoop or two, but adding 1000 files with essentially no growth tells me a lot. Those same images get me more sales elsewhere, so perhaps I'm missing the needs of their target market.

Phadrea

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« Reply #72 on: November 11, 2014, 04:54 »
+4
Unfortunately we're not able to accept your submission at this time as we feel the image composition is not quite strong enough.

But still strong enough to sell on other sites. Utterly frustrating !
« Last Edit: November 11, 2014, 05:17 by Herg »

mystock

« Reply #73 on: November 14, 2014, 04:37 »
+4
The last few hundred pictures that Envato rejected already earned me over $250 at Shutterstock alone, where the composition is obviously strong enough.

Seems like last summer's madness at Shutterstock, which is now (almost) over, at least for me.

But - as an independent artist - I am happy that buyers are finding my pictures at other sites that usually pay more than Photodune. Envato, please continue to reject everything!
« Last Edit: November 14, 2014, 04:42 by mystock »

Phadrea

    This user is banned.
« Reply #74 on: February 19, 2015, 07:36 »
0
A model release for a food stall at an outdoor market with no people in shot. Images rejected for not being strong enough composition, saleable enough etc. it's a joke and quite insulting. These images are among my top selling on ss. To me they seem very naive in thier judjment.


 

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