Hello, does anyone remember what exactly was in the old terms or what has changed in their new terms?

One thing strikes me - 16 e  "You may bear some or all expenses incurred by us in paying monies to you."

does that mean we will have to pay any paypal fees in addition to 67% to them?

Also they can clawback basically any time.


for all I know these were in there before, but I don't know for sure. Any time sites change things they need to post the old and new next to each other or bold any changes. For some reason it seems like every time something changes it makes things worse for us.

I skimmed through the two new documents (and the links to the old are at the bottom of the new) but what they didn't do, and should have, is provide a redlined version or an excerpt of the added/deleted/changed terms.

Shutterstock always does that and it really helps to focus on what's changed - re-reading that legalese is a deeply unpleasant necessity and the less the better.

In my skimming I didn't see anything glaring, but I understand the feeling that any change is likely to be bad news for us (just based on the last 4 years or so of agency behavior). The structure has changed so much that using a text editor to do a DIFF wouldn't help much.

As far as fees, there was already language in the old terms on that:

"You must bear all expenses incurred by Envato in paying monies to you. Payments made via a SWIFT transfer incur a processing fee of $35 for each payment.
SWIFT, Payoneer and Payment Agent standard terms and conditions regarding refunds, chargeback, fees and unauthorised transactions will apply and you authorise Envato to automatically deduct such refunds, chargeback, fees and unauthorised transactions from the Member Ledger."

So I think that they've just updated the language. To date I haven't been charged any fees when paid via PayPal.

It's amazing that when thinking of making the terms in plain English, it didn't also occur to someone to extract the changes for easy review...