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« on: March 16, 2017, 05:50 »
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Hi I have receive an email 1 month and a half because my portfolio was not enough good for Photodune lolll pretty funny because I sell for 1000$ per years. Why my account yas not deleted yet 1 month and a half after this email ?


« Reply #1 on: March 16, 2017, 12:10 »
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Its coming. I wasnt booted but they did say that they are killing 89% of my port. So just for sh1ts and giggles, im going to play along for a bit and report back here what i find.

dpimborough

« Reply #2 on: March 16, 2017, 14:02 »
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Its coming. I wasnt booted but they did say that they are killing 89% of my port. So just for sh1ts and giggles, im going to play along for a bit and report back here what i find.

We should set up a club I got 89% too  ;D

« Reply #3 on: March 20, 2017, 07:10 »
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 they said 1 month ago that  they like my portfolio on photodune and  they will keep it - although my sales there are pathetic - and what about this envato elements site - I don t understand what they want me to do - and there is no uploud link on pd - chaos !

« Reply #4 on: March 20, 2017, 07:49 »
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I'm fired...
But i continue to have sales!
Go figure.

« Reply #5 on: March 20, 2017, 08:14 »
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I don't know if I'm out or not. I ask them, had no answer except to wait the email. I can't upload since november. I just want to get my email saying I'm out and got paid and forget about envato forefer !

« Reply #6 on: March 20, 2017, 08:23 »
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Total shambles.

« Reply #7 on: March 20, 2017, 08:52 »
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I'm definitely getting a mixed message.  On the one hand I'm being kicked out.  On the other, I'm having my best month there in a couple of years.  The longer they hold off deleting my account the better it'll be.  Reconsidering my expulsion would be even better, but that's too much to hope for.

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« Reply #8 on: March 20, 2017, 09:50 »
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Maybe they are planning something ... a mind game before they offer some exciting news ...

« Reply #9 on: March 20, 2017, 09:57 »
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I'm still waiting for them to close my account and send me the money too.  I don't think they had a timeline other than "soon" in the e-mail so they apparently are in no hurry.

« Reply #10 on: March 20, 2017, 16:27 »
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I'm still waiting for them to close my account and send me the money too.  I don't think they had a timeline other than "soon" in the e-mail so they apparently are in no hurry.
Just had a sale ...still milking my worthless images it seems

« Reply #11 on: March 21, 2017, 04:05 »
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I'm definitely getting a mixed message.  On the one hand I'm being kicked out.  On the other, I'm having my best month there in a couple of years.  The longer they hold off deleting my account the better it'll be.  Reconsidering my expulsion would be even better, but that's too much to hope for.
Maybe someone there has worked out just how many best selling images they are about to pull......do I hear the echo of a penny dropping I wonder........

Chichikov

« Reply #12 on: March 24, 2017, 03:03 »
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I'm still waiting for them to close my account and send me the money too.  I don't think they had a timeline other than "soon" in the e-mail so they apparently are in no hurry.
Yes, what does mean "soon" compared to the age of the Universe?

« Reply #13 on: March 27, 2017, 10:51 »
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they said 1 month ago that  they like my portfolio on photodune and  they will keep it - although my sales there are pathetic - and what about this envato elements site - I don t understand what they want me to do - and there is no uploud link on pd - chaos !

Same here, 1 sale per month or even less, yet they somehow decided they like my port. Although I have a "badge" that apparently one of my files was trending. Which file and when, I don't know. I also don't know how can I have a "trending" file with less than 1 sale per month on average.

« Reply #14 on: March 31, 2017, 08:54 »
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This is the end my friend. My portfolio is deleted but this is not really the end buyer will go on other website anyway.

« Reply #15 on: March 31, 2017, 09:46 »
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Mine are still up there and even had a sale.  One of mine apparently was trending as well but that didn't keep me in their fold.  Maybe they've suddenly realized they will have to come up with the cash to pay out the closed accounts and have rethought.

« Reply #16 on: April 09, 2017, 04:57 »
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Photodune Envato market has ust effectively commited professional suicide by unceremoneously kicking out so many photographer contributors. Their search engine has now huge content gaps eg.:

newbielink:https://photodune.net/search?as=0&referrer=homepage&term=traumatology%20surgeon&utf8=%E2%9C%93 [nonactive]

Where is the Traumatology surgeon to be seen?

Another example:

newbielink:https://photodune.net/search?utf8=%E2%9C%93&term=arthroscopy&as=0&referrer=homepage [nonactive]

Perhaps they were tired and wanted all go unemployed in the agency or perhaps they wanted to do the far superior Shutterstock a huge favour.

« Reply #17 on: April 09, 2017, 08:19 »
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now have to wait 1 year for our money? what?

« Reply #18 on: April 09, 2017, 08:59 »
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We have to wait a year? Is that what they said?  I thought they were going to send us the money expeditiously as soon as they closed the accounts.  If they want us to wait a year then maybe it is time for a class-action lawsuit.

I tried to check my account just now and their page won't load - very annoying.  I suspect they are planning to run off with the money and keep it.

« Reply #19 on: April 09, 2017, 15:25 »
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We have to wait a year? Is that what they said?  I thought they were going to send us the money expeditiously as soon as they closed the accounts.  If they want us to wait a year then maybe it is time for a class-action lawsuit.

I tried to check my account just now and their page won't load - very annoying.  I suspect they are planning to run off with the money and keep it.

I got paid on time for March and there is a zero balance for April, since my port has been removed. 

« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2017, 17:13 »
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My sales figures just started going through the roof from 30 to 180 in 3 months! Then just got an email, I'm out.. why!?!

Bad Company

« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2017, 17:39 »
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My sales figures just started going through the roof from 30 to 180 in 3 months! Then just got an email, I'm out.. why!?!

Because they are idiots  >:(


« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2017, 00:12 »
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My sales figures just started going through the roof from 30 to 180 in 3 months! Then just got an email, I'm out.. why!?!
Was that recent? perhaps they just want the 10 best sellers ever!

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« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2017, 00:32 »
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My sales figures just started going through the roof from 30 to 180 in 3 months! Then just got an email, I'm out.. why!?!

It would make sense you got more sales, they've been deleting all the portfolios over the past three months, so there's considerably less competition. Strange they only ditched you now though, most people got the 'you're out' decision months back.

« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2017, 02:53 »
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They kept a minuscule amount of images out of my 20k portfolio (while sending me emails of praise about the high quality of my content) and logically, those aren't generating any sales. I waited a month, got zero sales, told them to delete my images, close my account and sod off. What a bunch of imbeciles!
In the praise email they even specified photos they especially liked that were actually NOT selected from my portfolio. Sent them an email "uhm, you know, those pictures you liked so bad were not selected", got a reply with "hang on, my bad..." and that told me everything I needed to know about their new approach to fcking things up.

« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2017, 03:13 »
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This is good new if buyers go to sites that pay us more per download.  If sites could be given a Darwin award, I would nominate Photodune :)

« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2017, 05:35 »
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I have just started to upload video to them and still have to wait months to see if they get approved or sell.

Uploading 4k video is a lot of work.

Does this mean I am working for nothing and two years down the line somebody will just press delete whenever they feel like?

Didn't they read what happened with both istock and fotolia when millions of files where deleted by contributors in protest to prblems? It created millions of broken links and this apparently lowered their rankins on google.

Also on other agencies we have been asked not to delete if possible, because this hurts the agency. Also customers hate trying to download a file they bookmarked and then discover it is gone.

Reliability is important, for both customers and contributors.

If they don't like older files, they can always adjust their search engine to prefer newer content.

Gettyimages has tons of old stock from the eighties and nineties, you just don't see it, because their algorythms hide it in the back.

It is also not a new idea to adjust the search instead of killing files and portfolios. No need to reinvent the wheel.

I am still curious about videohive, but it looks like the management is unpredictable and risky.

« Reply #27 on: August 06, 2017, 13:03 »
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They kept a minuscule amount of images out of my 20k portfolio (while sending me emails of praise about the high quality of my content) and logically, those aren't generating any sales. I waited a month, got zero sales, told them to delete my images, close my account and sod off. What a bunch of imbeciles!
In the praise email they even specified photos they especially liked that were actually NOT selected from my portfolio. Sent them an email "uhm, you know, those pictures you liked so bad were not selected", got a reply with "hang on, my bad..." and that told me everything I needed to know about their new approach to fcking things up.

I guess I am one of those imbeciles you are referring to. Nothing to say except to apologise that the experience wasn't great. There's been a lot of learning through this. We're doing a lot of training with our team of reviewers and in a few instances, they were off the mark in terms of our standards and what photos met those standards.

You're not the only one who was frustrated about sending emails to people with work done to try and find examples that we liked and that we thought weren't quite right, only to have the ones we liked identified for disablement.

Based on a few threads I've seen around here though, it appears that Envato is not alone in trying to figure out how to balance the size of the library with changing customer needs.

We're working hard to create a better experience for photographers. PhotoDune has gone through a massive amount of change in the last few months and we're on the tail end of that now. We've gone through the introduction of ADP (being able to set your own prices for items), removing content that doesn't meet our requirements, introducing a new way to earn with Elements, and soon, a redesign of PhotoDune. That's a lot in under a year and there are bound to be mistakes and crossed lines.

I think there's like 1.2 trillion photos expected in 2017 which creates a need for stock content that stands out amongst what someone can produce with a low-end DSLR or smartphone. The good old days of stock are over. At Envato, we're hoping to create a sustainable earning environment for photographers. We're looking for creators to join our community who understand the industry is changing and are willing to try new ways of earning with higher-end content.

I hope you'll reconsider disabling your account but if that ship has sailed, maybe there are others here willing to try something new, feel free to reach out to me directly.


Bad Company

« Reply #28 on: August 06, 2017, 14:35 »
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They kept a minuscule amount of images out of my 20k portfolio (while sending me emails of praise about the high quality of my content) and logically, those aren't generating any sales. I waited a month, got zero sales, told them to delete my images, close my account and sod off. What a bunch of imbeciles!
In the praise email they even specified photos they especially liked that were actually NOT selected from my portfolio. Sent them an email "uhm, you know, those pictures you liked so bad were not selected", got a reply with "hang on, my bad..." and that told me everything I needed to know about their new approach to fcking things up.

I guess I am one of those imbeciles you are referring to. Nothing to say except to apologise that the experience wasn't great. There's been a lot of learning through this. We're doing a lot of training with our team of reviewers and in a few instances, they were off the mark in terms of our standards and what photos met those standards.

You're not the only one who was frustrated about sending emails to people with work done to try and find examples that we liked and that we thought weren't quite right, only to have the ones we liked identified for disablement.

Based on a few threads I've seen around here though, it appears that Envato is not alone in trying to figure out how to balance the size of the library with changing customer needs.

We're working hard to create a better experience for photographers. PhotoDune has gone through a massive amount of change in the last few months and we're on the tail end of that now. We've gone through the introduction of ADP (being able to set your own prices for items), removing content that doesn't meet our requirements, introducing a new way to earn with Elements, and soon, a redesign of PhotoDune. That's a lot in under a year and there are bound to be mistakes and crossed lines.

I think there's like 1.2 trillion photos expected in 2017 which creates a need for stock content that stands out amongst what someone can produce with a low-end DSLR or smartphone. The good old days of stock are over. At Envato, we're hoping to create a sustainable earning environment for photographers. We're looking for creators to join our community who understand the industry is changing and are willing to try new ways of earning with higher-end content.

I hope you'll reconsider disabling your account but if that ship has sailed, maybe there are others here willing to try something new, feel free to reach out to me directly.

Thanks for coming on this site.

 Personally, I felt that you should've presented your situation on MSG and let the existing contributors present options that would've suited all parties. For example, say we felt that images with no sales, say in a year's time, would have to be removed- we start the clean up and the remaining images plus new ones are migrating towards your buyer goals.   

However, you dropped the axe on the majority of us- left a very bad taste in my mouth to say the least. So you will understand when a lot of us will never come back. Trust and honesty will be hard to gain... :(



   

« Reply #29 on: August 06, 2017, 16:44 »
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I WILL NEVER GO BACK TO PHOTODUNE!!!

« Reply #30 on: August 07, 2017, 01:28 »
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"stock content that stands out amongst what someone can produce with a low-end DSLR or smartphone." If you believe the equipment used determines content that stands out in the Mstock market  then in my belief you are seriously wrong. Maybe if you had trained staff properly BEFORE embarking on the exercise things would have turned out better.

Chichikov

« Reply #31 on: August 07, 2017, 04:56 »
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They kept a minuscule amount of images out of my 20k portfolio (while sending me emails of praise about the high quality of my content) and logically, those aren't generating any sales. I waited a month, got zero sales, told them to delete my images, close my account and sod off. What a bunch of imbeciles!
In the praise email they even specified photos they especially liked that were actually NOT selected from my portfolio. Sent them an email "uhm, you know, those pictures you liked so bad were not selected", got a reply with "hang on, my bad..." and that told me everything I needed to know about their new approach to fcking things up.

I guess I am one of those imbeciles you are referring to. Nothing to say except to apologise that the experience wasn't great. There's been a lot of learning through this. We're doing a lot of training with our team of reviewers and in a few instances, they were off the mark in terms of our standards and what photos met those standards.

You're not the only one who was frustrated about sending emails to people with work done to try and find examples that we liked and that we thought weren't quite right, only to have the ones we liked identified for disablement.

Based on a few threads I've seen around here though, it appears that Envato is not alone in trying to figure out how to balance the size of the library with changing customer needs.

We're working hard to create a better experience for photographers. PhotoDune has gone through a massive amount of change in the last few months and we're on the tail end of that now. We've gone through the introduction of ADP (being able to set your own prices for items), removing content that doesn't meet our requirements, introducing a new way to earn with Elements, and soon, a redesign of PhotoDune. That's a lot in under a year and there are bound to be mistakes and crossed lines.

I think there's like 1.2 trillion photos expected in 2017 which creates a need for stock content that stands out amongst what someone can produce with a low-end DSLR or smartphone. The good old days of stock are over. At Envato, we're hoping to create a sustainable earning environment for photographers. We're looking for creators to join our community who understand the industry is changing and are willing to try new ways of earning with higher-end content.

I hope you'll reconsider disabling your account but if that ship has sailed, maybe there are others here willing to try something new, feel free to reach out to me directly.

Don't be hypocrite!
Let's say things are they really are: your are working hard to find the way to put more money in your pocket (I had another colored expression in mind but due to the forum censure I cannot use it), on the back of photographers

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« Reply #32 on: August 07, 2017, 05:03 »
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Although to be fair, the more money they make 'on the back of photographers', the more money they have to pay out to those photographers.

Chichikov

« Reply #33 on: August 07, 2017, 05:41 »
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Although to be fair, the more money they make 'on the back of photographers', the more money they have to pay out to those photographers.
Your answers about Envato look more and more like answers of somebody paid by them to do it
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 06:03 by Chichikov »

Bad Company

« Reply #34 on: August 07, 2017, 08:10 »
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Although to be fair, the more money they make 'on the back of photographers', the more money they have to pay out to those photographers.

I hope you're joking? If not, you must be high and need to share your stuff with the rest of us...

« Reply #35 on: August 07, 2017, 10:30 »
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Although to be fair, the more money they make 'on the back of photographers', the more money they have to pay out to those photographers.

I hope you're joking? If not, you must be high and need to share your stuff with the rest of us...
I don't see why thats how every agency works....if you don't like them making money "off the back of photographers" sell direct. Whether or not they take a fair cut is a different question.........

Chichikov

« Reply #36 on: August 07, 2017, 12:09 »
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Although to be fair, the more money they make 'on the back of photographers', the more money they have to pay out to those photographers.

I hope you're joking? If not, you must be high and need to share your stuff with the rest of us...
I don't see why thats how every agency works....if you don't like them making money "off the back of photographers" sell direct. Whether or not they take a fair cut is a different question.........

Thats not the (my) point, we all know what is the game and how it works.
But I no more support this continuous adulation, this marketing language for idiots, telling to photographers that "they are working for us", that "they make big improvements for us", etc. from the part of these sites (all do the same, more or less)
No, at first of they are working for them (it is their business, I don't contest that) and then give us the crumbs they want to give us.
But please, no more hypocrite marketing communications (who believe it then?), tell us the things how they really are, or shut up!

« Reply #37 on: August 07, 2017, 18:05 »
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They kept a minuscule amount of images out of my 20k portfolio (while sending me emails of praise about the high quality of my content) and logically, those aren't generating any sales. I waited a month, got zero sales, told them to delete my images, close my account and sod off. What a bunch of imbeciles!
In the praise email they even specified photos they especially liked that were actually NOT selected from my portfolio. Sent them an email "uhm, you know, those pictures you liked so bad were not selected", got a reply with "hang on, my bad..." and that told me everything I needed to know about their new approach to fcking things up.

I guess I am one of those imbeciles you are referring to. Nothing to say except to apologise that the experience wasn't great. There's been a lot of learning through this. We're doing a lot of training with our team of reviewers and in a few instances, they were off the mark in terms of our standards and what photos met those standards.

You're not the only one who was frustrated about sending emails to people with work done to try and find examples that we liked and that we thought weren't quite right, only to have the ones we liked identified for disablement.

Based on a few threads I've seen around here though, it appears that Envato is not alone in trying to figure out how to balance the size of the library with changing customer needs.

We're working hard to create a better experience for photographers. PhotoDune has gone through a massive amount of change in the last few months and we're on the tail end of that now. We've gone through the introduction of ADP (being able to set your own prices for items), removing content that doesn't meet our requirements, introducing a new way to earn with Elements, and soon, a redesign of PhotoDune. That's a lot in under a year and there are bound to be mistakes and crossed lines.

I think there's like 1.2 trillion photos expected in 2017 which creates a need for stock content that stands out amongst what someone can produce with a low-end DSLR or smartphone. The good old days of stock are over. At Envato, we're hoping to create a sustainable earning environment for photographers. We're looking for creators to join our community who understand the industry is changing and are willing to try new ways of earning with higher-end content.

I hope you'll reconsider disabling your account but if that ship has sailed, maybe there are others here willing to try something new, feel free to reach out to me directly.

Yes James, you are one of them... unfortunately. I don't know who's doing the math at Envato right now but things like "we're hoping to create a sustainable earning environment for photographers", "new ways of earning with higher-end content", "new way to earn with Elements" not backed up by anything, at the same time leaving people with irrelevant-sized portfolios is not gonna fly for anyone. Many of us have lots of years of working with stock and are not willing to start rebuilding portfolios from scratch because Envato thinks that good old days of stock are over. Also many of us still get the vast majority of photography-related income selling stock which is not quite dead. Want to sell different, higher priced content? Macrostock or sites like Stocksy, Offset are already doing it. If you need an example of something that REALLY is new and works, take a look at Canva. They are the newest in my book and already in the top 4 earners. Envato? Almost vanished my portfolio, left me with a handful of images and I got an absolute zero, from a regular 70-100$ / month. That's a no-no for me so yea, I had your people remove my account. Good luck with whatever you're doing there.

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« Reply #38 on: August 07, 2017, 18:41 »
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Although to be fair, the more money they make 'on the back of photographers', the more money they have to pay out to those photographers.
Your answers about Envato look more and more like answers of somebody paid by them to do it

That would be great... maybe you could put a good word in for me and they'll think about doing so? My comment applies to every stock agency though. Unless the commission rates change, then any initiative by an agency that makes them more money, will mean they'll have to pay out more money to contributors.

If an initiative results in them paying out less money to contributors... then that means that the agency is also earning less money. If it looks like that's not going to change, then they'll change their approach.

That's the contributor base as a whole though... I think we've all been around long enough to know that there's no mystical agency where sales always increase for every contributor, no matter how many new people join, and how many new items are uploaded.

The thing is, I've seen people on Photodune (before 'the great cull') who may have been making reasonable dollar amounts every month, and they may have had top seller badges and the like... but with tens of thousands, and sometimes hundreds of thousands of images, they were making like 10 cents per image per year. Yes, Photodune are far from one of the big boys, so you wouldn't expect them to be making masses of money per image, but by the time you've included storage costs, reviewers and general marketing and maintenance of the site... 10 cents a year is hardly worth it.

So something had to be done. People always say that something has to be done, but when it comes to their perfect portfolio of immense brilliance... then they don't want anything to be done. But if somebody can suggest a something that Photodune, or any other stock agency, can do to make more money for the agency and more money for every individual contributor then I'm sure they'd all like to hear it.   

« Reply #39 on: August 07, 2017, 18:59 »
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Although to be fair, the more money they make 'on the back of photographers', the more money they have to pay out to those photographers.
Your answers about Envato look more and more like answers of somebody paid by them to do it

That would be great... maybe you could put a good word in for me and they'll think about doing so? My comment applies to every stock agency though. Unless the commission rates change, then any initiative by an agency that makes them more money, will mean they'll have to pay out more money to contributors.

If an initiative results in them paying out less money to contributors... then that means that the agency is also earning less money. If it looks like that's not going to change, then they'll change their approach.

That's the contributor base as a whole though... I think we've all been around long enough to know that there's no mystical agency where sales always increase for every contributor, no matter how many new people join, and how many new items are uploaded.

The thing is, I've seen people on Photodune (before 'the great cull') who may have been making reasonable dollar amounts every month, and they may have had top seller badges and the like... but with tens of thousands, and sometimes hundreds of thousands of images, they were making like 10 cents per image per year. Yes, Photodune are far from one of the big boys, so you wouldn't expect them to be making masses of money per image, but by the time you've included storage costs, reviewers and general marketing and maintenance of the site... 10 cents a year is hardly worth it.

So something had to be done. People always say that something has to be done, but when it comes to their perfect portfolio of immense brilliance... then they don't want anything to be done. But if somebody can suggest a something that Photodune, or any other stock agency, can do to make more money for the agency and more money for every individual contributor then I'm sure they'd all like to hear it.   

Not in all cases.  Istock sells video for the basic same price and only pays out junk. Their 4K? even worse.  Base customer rate is very much the same, but royalties much lower.  They keep a higher share of what the customer pays.  123 stole the IS model of pay based on sales volume so they could pay less royalties because its based on a merit system of sales and keep more for themselves. That cut a lot of people's pay while 123 gained.  The inventor of this was Istock who also introduced this pay incentive for more downloads, effectively giving them more of the pie.  And there is DP whose API's were selling our work for big bucks and giving us sub commissions.  That was not a cut for them only the contributor. It's infectious for agencies to try and find ways to cut COGS to enhance revenue and margins.  So your hypothesis is not totally correct.
« Last Edit: August 07, 2017, 19:01 by Mantis »

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« Reply #40 on: August 07, 2017, 19:43 »
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Sure, but that's why I qualified it with the as long as the commissions don;t change part which I guess I was meaning as a catch all term for changing agreements, percentages etc etc.

Excluding Elements which is a stand-alone offering, the price of their photos has done nothing but increase, and the commission rate has done nothing but increase. It was $0.36 to $6.30 per image before the changes (to the author, not the sales price), and now people are free to set their own prices as high as they want... so I've never quite understood why Photodune gets such a bad rep and other places don't.

They're not perfect, and you never know if they'll change their rates or start offering image packs or whatever... but they're not that bad currently. I can understand why the people who got their ports cut would be upset, but it does always make me laugh when people say things along the lines of "Why did they cut my port, my images are amazing?! But I don't care, I didn't sell anything there anyway". I think they've answered their own question!


« Reply #41 on: August 08, 2017, 08:54 »
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envato wanted to keep my whole portfolio of 5000 photos - and asked me to sign up to elements - and on elements downloud is unlimited  for 40 $ subscription - which is insane!!! - I didn t sing up to elements - and they deleted my portfolio

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« Reply #42 on: August 08, 2017, 10:09 »
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You didn't fancy giving it a try for a few months, see how much money it could generate?

Just to give a real-life example (which, I'll admit, may not be indicative of the norm), I subscribed this month, and have downloaded 16 items. Although I can't say for certain, at this point I can't see myself needing anything else from Elements this month. As a result, each author will get an average of 90 cents for each item I have downloaded. While not exactly something to write home about, that is a lot more than 25 cents per download.

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« Reply #43 on: August 08, 2017, 18:02 »
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You didn't fancy giving it a try for a few months, see how much money it could generate?

Just to give a real-life example (which, I'll admit, may not be indicative of the norm), I subscribed this month, and have downloaded 16 items. Although I can't say for certain, at this point I can't see myself needing anything else from Elements this month. As a result, each author will get an average of 90 cents for each item I have downloaded. While not exactly something to write home about, that is a lot more than 25 cents per download.

This is true and should also be said that all authors receive an equal share of the subscription from customers who haven't downloaded anything that month in the form of a contributor bonus :)

Bad Company

« Reply #44 on: August 08, 2017, 18:08 »
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You didn't fancy giving it a try for a few months, see how much money it could generate?

Just to give a real-life example (which, I'll admit, may not be indicative of the norm), I subscribed this month, and have downloaded 16 items. Although I can't say for certain, at this point I can't see myself needing anything else from Elements this month. As a result, each author will get an average of 90 cents for each item I have downloaded. While not exactly something to write home about, that is a lot more than 25 cents per download.

This is true and should also be said that all authors receive an equal share of the subscription from customers who haven't downloaded anything that month in the form of a contributor bonus :)

consequence that right after a positive comment Envato jumps in? Somehow I feel like we are getting baited... :-\


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« Reply #45 on: August 08, 2017, 18:13 »
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You didn't fancy giving it a try for a few months, see how much money it could generate?

Just to give a real-life example (which, I'll admit, may not be indicative of the norm), I subscribed this month, and have downloaded 16 items. Although I can't say for certain, at this point I can't see myself needing anything else from Elements this month. As a result, each author will get an average of 90 cents for each item I have downloaded. While not exactly something to write home about, that is a lot more than 25 cents per download.

This is true and should also be said that all authors receive an equal share of the subscription from customers who haven't downloaded anything that month in the form of a contributor bonus :)

consequence that right after a positive comment Envato jumps in? Somehow I feel like we are getting baited... :-\

If this were the case I would have a top poster badge by now! No bait from me, if we invited an author we want them and think we offer something different but good and the potential for an additional earning stream and want to make sure they are aware of important info where applicable.  Anyway, I don't think you have a lot to lose with a trial of Elements but I understand it's not for everyone.

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« Reply #46 on: August 08, 2017, 21:47 »
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You didn't fancy giving it a try for a few months, see how much money it could generate?

Just to give a real-life example (which, I'll admit, may not be indicative of the norm), I subscribed this month, and have downloaded 16 items. Although I can't say for certain, at this point I can't see myself needing anything else from Elements this month. As a result, each author will get an average of 90 cents for each item I have downloaded. While not exactly something to write home about, that is a lot more than 25 cents per download.

This is true and should also be said that all authors receive an equal share of the subscription from customers who haven't downloaded anything that month in the form of a contributor bonus :)

consequence that right after a positive comment Envato jumps in? Somehow I feel like we are getting baited... :-\

So if anybody else had happened to 'jump in' in the ten hours between my post and Josh's post... then it would have been a lot less suspicious? I know people have a habit here of seeing patterns where none exist, but I can assure you there's no conspiracy!

I moderate on the forums on a voluntary basis (which is no secret), but I don't get paid to do so, I don't get any additional benefits and I don't have any mandate to promote them or their products.

I've been selling content there for seven years, and aside from Pond5, I've only sold content on other sites for three years. So I have a lot more knowledge and experience when it comes to Envato than other sites, which is why I'm more likely to 'chip in' on a thread relating to Envato than another site. The reason I'm usually positive about Envato is that I've had nothing but a positive experience there. I know it's not for everyone, I know they're not perfect, and I know a lot of people may not have the same view of them as me... but the way people talk about them, they may as well be ISIS or something!

Elements might turn out to be sh*it for contributors (unlikely I'd get away with that if I was on the payroll), but it could be really good as well. People aren't going to know unless they try, so asking if somebody didn't fancy giving it a try to see how much they earn... is a pretty reasonable question. If the returns are no good, then they can delete their port. And then Josh chipped in with a consideration that I wasn't aware of, which could result in a little bit more of a return. That's hardly suspicious. If anyone from Adobe Stock pops in with a positive aspect of something there, everyone starts throwing their knickers at them!

« Reply #47 on: August 09, 2017, 08:15 »
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All my images on photodune were deleted except for around 400 (which are moslty from first batch (and they are not really good, they are 10 years old) and a few last batches). And these 400 are definitely not the best sellers. So it looks like they have just deleted 89% or portfolio without choosing which images to delete and which ones to retain.

Also I saw in my earnings that (surprise, surprise) Austrailian tax cut is 30%.

So I have to upload my portfolio again to elements, spend time, attach releases. And with my 10+ years experience in microstock (and macrostock) industry I have serious doubts that these efforts will be repaid.

Bad Company

« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2017, 08:30 »
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You didn't fancy giving it a try for a few months, see how much money it could generate?

Just to give a real-life example (which, I'll admit, may not be indicative of the norm), I subscribed this month, and have downloaded 16 items. Although I can't say for certain, at this point I can't see myself needing anything else from Elements this month. As a result, each author will get an average of 90 cents for each item I have downloaded. While not exactly something to write home about, that is a lot more than 25 cents per download.

This is true and should also be said that all authors receive an equal share of the subscription from customers who haven't downloaded anything that month in the form of a contributor bonus :)

consequence that right after a positive comment Envato jumps in? Somehow I feel like we are getting baited... :-\

So if anybody else had happened to 'jump in' in the ten hours between my post and Josh's post... then it would have been a lot less suspicious? I know people have a habit here of seeing patterns where none exist, but I can assure you there's no conspiracy!

I moderate on the forums on a voluntary basis (which is no secret), but I don't get paid to do so, I don't get any additional benefits and I don't have any mandate to promote them or their products.

I've been selling content there for seven years, and aside from Pond5, I've only sold content on other sites for three years. So I have a lot more knowledge and experience when it comes to Envato than other sites, which is why I'm more likely to 'chip in' on a thread relating to Envato than another site. The reason I'm usually positive about Envato is that I've had nothing but a positive experience there. I know it's not for everyone, I know they're not perfect, and I know a lot of people may not have the same view of them as me... but the way people talk about them, they may as well be ISIS or something!

Elements might turn out to be sh*it for contributors (unlikely I'd get away with that if I was on the payroll), but it could be really good as well. People aren't going to know unless they try, so asking if somebody didn't fancy giving it a try to see how much they earn... is a pretty reasonable question. If the returns are no good, then they can delete their port. And then Josh chipped in with a consideration that I wasn't aware of, which could result in a little bit more of a return. That's hardly suspicious. If anyone from Adobe Stock pops in with a positive aspect of something there, everyone starts throwing their knickers at them!

Glad you have had a great experience with them. Wish I could say the same. I was making payout ($50 to $100) each month and got kicked to the curve- I had to scramble to find more additional work to cover my loss in money that I needed to eat and pay rent. Will I look at Elements- probably not...

joshsprague

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« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2017, 12:44 »
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All my images on photodune were deleted except for around 400 (which are moslty from first batch (and they are not really good, they are 10 years old) and a few last batches). And these 400 are definitely not the best sellers. So it looks like they have just deleted 89% or portfolio without choosing which images to delete and which ones to retain.

Also I saw in my earnings that (surprise, surprise) Austrailian tax cut is 30%.

So I have to upload my portfolio again to elements, spend time, attach releases. And with my 10+ years experience in microstock (and macrostock) industry I have serious doubts that these efforts will be repaid.

I am sorry you have had a less than stellar experience with us so far. The 400 retained images really should have aligned with our new quality guidelines here: https://help.market.envato.com/hc/en-us/articles/217906203-Commercial-Demand-Guide

As for your efforts moving forward, an Elements author only needs to upload to PhotoDune once and your items will be automatically be ported to Elements. :)

« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2017, 13:09 »
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Well, it makes me proud to know that some of my images shot 10 years ago with canon 400d one month after I started photography as a hobby still comply with your new quality guidelines! I was soooo good even at that time!  8)

But still it is surprising that thousands of my images shot with professional equipment after I became a professional photographer do not aligh with your new quality guidelines. And these images are the ones that earned me literally hundreds of thousands of dollars, not the first ones :)

Anyway, I am still not convinced.

« Reply #51 on: August 09, 2017, 13:56 »
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Well, it makes me proud to know that some of my images shot 10 years ago with canon 400d one month after I started photography as a hobby still comply with your new quality guidelines! I was soooo good even at that time!  8)

But still it is surprising that thousands of my images shot with professional equipment after I became a professional photographer do not aligh with your new quality guidelines. And these images are the ones that earned me literally hundreds of thousands of dollars, not the first ones :)

Anyway, I am still not convinced.
I said it on another thread but I'll say it here too.
Their reviews are completely arbitrary. You know they are going to reject a lot but there is absolutely no way of predicting what. This has the opposite effect of what they want as it makes it impossible to curate your portfolio. You have to just upload everything junk or not and know a random small percentage will be accepted. No point uploading better work as it is just as likely to get rejected. I found this with vectors on graphic river too. It is bizarre.

Bad Company

« Reply #52 on: August 09, 2017, 17:17 »
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All my images on photodune were deleted except for around 400 (which are moslty from first batch (and they are not really good, they are 10 years old) and a few last batches). And these 400 are definitely not the best sellers. So it looks like they have just deleted 89% or portfolio without choosing which images to delete and which ones to retain.

Also I saw in my earnings that (surprise, surprise) Austrailian tax cut is 30%.

So I have to upload my portfolio again to elements, spend time, attach releases. And with my 10+ years experience in microstock (and macrostock) industry I have serious doubts that these efforts will be repaid.

I am sorry you have had a less than stellar experience with us so far. The 400 retained images really should have aligned with our new quality guidelines here: https://help.market.envato.com/hc/en-us/articles/217906203-Commercial-Demand-Guide

As for your efforts moving forward, an Elements author only needs to upload to PhotoDune once and your items will be automatically be ported to Elements. :)

Did it ever occur to you that maybe you could've created a new area with the existing images that tailored to the buyers? Most sites have them like offset with Shutterstock . Heck, even Deposit Photo has one with the Curated Collection.  Once again we could have offered this option if you had asked us in the beginning...  :-[

« Last Edit: August 09, 2017, 17:58 by Bad Company »


 

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