Author Topic: New envato elements? (Read 21869 times)

Artist · « **on:** June 07, 2016, 09:13 »

I got an email recently about their new product. Did anyone else got them?

One subscription. Unlimited downloads. as they say..
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What is Envato Elements?
Launching in 2016, Envato Elements is a creative subscription for digital assets tailored to the needs of agencies, designers, marketers and other professionals who need items on a frequent or high-volume basis. It will offer a library of high-quality, curated content from talented creators and make it available to customers via ongoing monthly or yearly subscription plans.

https://elements.envato.com
https://elements.envato.com/faq

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sweetgirll · « **Reply #1 on:** June 07, 2016, 20:26 »

By the look on the front page..it looks like is going to be a competitor to creativemarket....I see fonts, watercolor brushes..yep...

bunhill · « **Reply #2 on:** June 08, 2016, 02:21 »

Quote from: sweetgirll on June 07, 2016, 20:26

it looks like is going to be a competitor to creativemarket....I see fonts, watercolor brushes..yep...

Envato already is a competitor to creativemarket but its categories are split between different brands. Eg - ThemeForest is (arguably) the goto site for commercial WordPress themes and plugins. The content for Elements is selected only from GraphicRiver (AFAIK).

File Sold · « **Reply #3 on:** August 03, 2016, 01:10 »

You can see it live here:

https://elements.envato.com

What are your thoughts?

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #4 on:** August 03, 2016, 01:41 »

Yeah, GraphicRiver is like Creative Market, Envato Elements is like GraphicStock... the graphics 'branch' of VideoBlocks.

Remains to be seen if it takes off, but Envato have a pretty big existing customer base to market it to, which is half job... so you never know. With a subscription model, I can't see the return for contributors being that high, but if it gets loads of subscribers then it could be worth it.

One thing it does have over the whole VideoBlocks/GraphicRiver model... is that when you download something, you have to register its use, if you want to use it in an end-product. I guess that's to stop people just downloading every single item on a whim. In theory, that might lead to less downloads, which means a higher return for contributors.

File Sold · « **Reply #5 on:** August 03, 2016, 04:29 »

They seem to have this magic lottery button for subscribers commission

"We use the ‘subscriber share’ method to allocate how this money is divided among each individual contributor."

It would be nice to know what that exactly means.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #6 on:** August 03, 2016, 05:18 »

They take the total revenue in any given month, keep 50% for themselves, and then distribute the remainder to contributors... based on how many times their items have been licensed. Apparently there's some kind of modifier as well, so a set of ten stationery designs will get a higher cut than a set of five brushes.

So yeah, I'm not sure exactly what the modifiers are, but that should give you a rough idea.

Lana · « **Reply #7 on:** August 03, 2016, 05:45 »

Envato keeps climbing the ranking - wondering if it is mostly due to video sales?
I know people here complain the photos get a lot of rejections. Worth a try?

alno · « **Reply #8 on:** August 03, 2016, 06:00 »

Quote from: Lana on August 03, 2016, 05:45

Envato keeps climbing the ranking - wondering if it is mostly due to video sales?
I know people here complain the photos get a lot of rejections. Worth a try?

They review very slowly, reject very hard and frankly really stupid telling fantastic b*s* about their "strict standards" while accepting some obviously not the best clips. I'm lucky if I got 1 of 10 accepted

They are surely not a huge footage seller (IMO for me yet). The most successful stories on their forum are code, AE templates or site theme related.

Lana · « **Reply #9 on:** August 03, 2016, 06:10 »

Quote from: Irina Anosova on August 03, 2016, 06:00

Quote from: Lana on August 03, 2016, 05:45
Envato keeps climbing the ranking - wondering if it is mostly due to video sales?
I know people here complain the photos get a lot of rejections. Worth a try?

They review very slowly, reject very hard and frankly really stupid telling fantastic b*s* about their "strict standards" while accepting some obviously not the best clips. I'm lucky if I got 1 of 10 accepted They are surely not a huge footage seller (IMO for me yet). The most successful stories on their forum are code, AE templates or site theme related.

I see, thanks for the input

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #10 on:** August 03, 2016, 06:38 »

How do you opt out of this travesty?

EmberMike · « **Reply #11 on:** August 03, 2016, 08:57 »

Definitely has a Creative Market vibe to it, at least visually and in how they present the products.

How does this fit with Envato's weird tax policy? They've been regarding every sale as being direct between the customer and the contributor, and refer to themselves as just a marketplace to facilitate these transactions. So how will they claim to just be a facilitator in this kind of subscription model? Will they still expect contributors to regard every single download as a unique individual sale to a specific customer?

I left Envato because of the tax policies. Don't really feel like I'm missing out on anything by not being a part of Elements.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #12 on:** August 03, 2016, 11:54 »

Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on August 03, 2016, 05:18

They take the total revenue in any given month, keep 50% for themselves, and then distribute the remainder to contributors... based on how many times their items have been licensed. Apparently there's some kind of modifier as well, so a set of ten stationery designs will get a higher cut than a set of five brushes.

So yeah, I'm not sure exactly what the modifiers are, but that should give you a rough idea.

I just clicked the ad and it looks like you can get unlimited downloads for around $20 a month. What is wrong with these people! Another agency I am glad I don;t upload to any more.

ppdd · « **Reply #13 on:** August 03, 2016, 15:12 »

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on August 03, 2016, 11:54

I just clicked the ad and it looks like you can get unlimited downloads for around $20 a month. What is wrong with these people! Another agency I am glad I don;t upload to any more.

That's during the Beta period and it ramps up to launch pricing, which is $49 monthly.

jar · « **Reply #14 on:** August 03, 2016, 15:15 »

Hate envato/ photodune. Low sales and critical upload problems since 2013..
FTP: 553 Can't open that file: Permission denied

And if uploaded you have to transfer them at your members account from ftp account.
Uploaded 50 files. 27 files arrived. Where are the other files gone?
Just stupid and waste of my time.

Justanotherphotographer · « **Reply #15 on:** August 03, 2016, 15:25 »

Quote from: ppdd on August 03, 2016, 15:12

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on August 03, 2016, 11:54

I just clicked the ad and it looks like you can get unlimited downloads for around $20 a month. What is wrong with these people! Another agency I am glad I don;t upload to any more.

That's during the Beta period and it ramps up to launch pricing, which is $49 monthly.

You tie that fee in forever by the sounds of it. And I wouldn't hold my breath for them putting the price up. Even when they do $49 unlimited dls is a joke.

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #16 on:** August 04, 2016, 00:15 »

Quote from: EmberMike on August 03, 2016, 08:57

I left Envato because of the tax policies.

The VAT policy? Their VAT policy is that they're the seller for the purpose of VAT, so they have to charge VAT and remit VAT payments. That's what they should be doing, and that's what they are doing. They may say that the author is the seller, but that's nothing to do with who handles the VAT.

They're not saying, and never have said... "you're the seller, so you need to charge and remit VAT.

They're just saying "you're the seller."

If them saying that was some cunning plan to avoid charging and remitting VAT... then why would they willingly charge and remit VAT?

SpaceStockFootage · « **Reply #17 on:** August 04, 2016, 00:22 »

Quote from: Irina Anosova on August 03, 2016, 06:00

Quote from: Lana on August 03, 2016, 05:45
Envato keeps climbing the ranking - wondering if it is mostly due to video sales?
I know people here complain the photos get a lot of rejections. Worth a try?

They review very slowly, reject very hard and frankly really stupid telling fantastic b*s* about their "strict standards" while accepting some obviously not the best clips. I'm lucky if I got 1 of 10 accepted They are surely not a huge footage seller (IMO for me yet). The most successful stories on their forum are code, AE templates or site theme related.

Yeah, some of the Themeforest authors make an impressive income. GraphicRiver can be pretty lucrative as well, and After Effects templates. 3D models, stock images and standard stock footage doesn't quite have the same level of sales though. Motion graphics animations sell pretty well though.

Jo Ann Snover · « **Reply #18 on:** June 22, 2017, 10:16 »

They have now added 240K photos to the Elements package ($29 a month) - unlimited downloads

I left PhotoDune because of their daft tax policy change, so it doesn't affect me directly, but indirectly, this seems like another part of the race to the bottom.

The license theoretically requires that each use of a downloaded item be registered and that you have to have an active subscription to register a use. That should (again, theoretically) discourage downloading the entire collection of stuff and then canceling your subscription. But how do they enforce that? Given the rock bottom prices, they can't be actively policing things, so my guess is there wont be much to stop someone from using a downloaded item on a new project after the subscription term ends.

They have some of the larger stock factories providing work to this photo collection, so I'm guessing they're just looking at a bit of extra cash and not worrying much about the long term effects of this approach (didn't a lot of the factories happily participate in the Dollar Photo Club?)

Brightontl · « **Reply #19 on:** June 22, 2017, 16:21 »

Quote from: Lana on August 03, 2016, 05:45

Envato keeps climbing the ranking - wondering if it is mostly due to video sales?
I know people here complain the photos get a lot of rejections. Worth a try?

Lana, I submitted some footage to VH, just to see, 5 months ago.
Maybe one day my grandchildren will know what happened to these files.
Regarding footage they seem to be the worst joke of the industry

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