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joshsprague:

--- Quote from: Sebastian Radu on July 01, 2019, 13:44 ---Authors must meet the minimum activity requirements for at least one item type to be eligible.
But how can I have activity if the upload process for me, as a photographer, is off ?
 :o

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Hows that? Are you a photo author on Elements at the moment?  If so, you should have photo submission access for sure.

SpaceStockFootage:
I'm not sure if the WordPress authors are going to make loads more money like everyone seems to be predicting. Yes, a theme counts for 9 points and a video counts for 3... but it all depends on what people are downloading. So they may get a higher percentage split per download, but if somebody needs one video-based Wordpress theme and 20 videos to go on the site, then a bigger share is going to the video side of things rather than the theme side of things.

As for the 'boost up to $1000 or so', that would mean a total bonus of around $1300, as the average bonus currently is about $300. It's far too early for me to do anything more than rudimentary math... but I know that for 50% of contributors to now get $600, then the other 50% need to get $0. Anyone know what percentage that needs to be for them to get $1300? Not sure if you can figure it out without contributor numbers... my head hurt. Anyway, I can't see that happening unless there's a bunch of people who are only downloading WP themes and nothing else.   

I mean, people usually need lots of images, videos and graphics... they don't usually need dozens of WP templates every month. Who knows! My point is, it's too early to say and virtually impossible to predict at this stage. Time will tell!   

increasingdifficulty:

--- Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on July 02, 2019, 00:51 ---I'm not sure if the WordPress authors are going to make loads more money like everyone seems to be predicting. Yes, a theme counts for 9 points and a video counts for 3... but it all depends on what people are downloading. So they may get a higher percentage split per download, but if somebody needs one video-based Wordpress theme and 20 videos to go on the site, then a bigger share is going to the video side of things rather than the theme side of things.

As for the 'boost up to $1000 or so', that would mean a total bonus of around $1300, as the average bonus currently is about $300. It's far too early for me to do anything more than rudimentary math... but I know that for 50% of contributors to now get $600, then the other 50% need to get $0. Anyone know what percentage that needs to be for them to get $1300? Not sure if you can figure it out without contributor numbers... my head hurt. Anyway, I can't see that happening unless there's a bunch of people who are only downloading WP themes and nothing else.   

I mean, people usually need lots of images, videos and graphics... they don't usually need dozens of WP templates every month. Who knows! My point is, it's too early to say and virtually impossible to predict at this stage. Time will tell!

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Of course it's impossible to predict (without access to numbers), but isn't it fun to speculate? ;)

I'd rather prepare mentally for a pay cut and be pleasantly surprised, than the other way around. But that's just me.

There are currently around 1,600 Elements authors, so let's say 1,500 shared the last bonus.

That would put the bonus pool at roughly $450,000 (out of $900,000 total unused subscriber fees).

The average number of authors in each of the 14 main categories in the Elements menu would be 107, and an educated guess would be that there are many more Motion graphics/Stock footage authors than WP authors, but that could be wrong. Of course, there is some crossover with authors in multiple categories, but roughly. :)

Anyway, my first thoughts were that not many would want to miss the bonus, thus trying their best to meet the minimum requirements, but maybe there are many inactive authors who won't upload enough?

That would of course change everything, if only 1,000 of the 1,600 now shared the bonus.

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And by the way, I believe most WP buyers don't buy the themes for themselves - they buy them for clients, so they might buy several per week. And I don't think too many corporate website makers suddenly need a bunch of space videos. Different people.

If marketplace numbers are anything to go by (which they might not be, Elements might have completely different customer behavior), both users and item downloads are much, much higher at ThemeForest, and specifically the Wordpress section, than any kind of video. If WP buyers needed 20 videos per theme sales at VH would be astronomic. But they're not.

Judging by the enormous $900,000 unused subscriber fee pool, I think it's safe to assume that most customers actually only download stuff they need, when they need it. Not a bunch of things just for fun, because they can.

Furthermore, I think it is much more likely for a customer needing a WB template to only download that, than a customer only needing one, or a few, video(s). This means that WP earnings are more likely to be even higher, as the point value is determined by all the usage from one customer account.

SpaceStockFootage:
I'd be surprised if many corporate website makers are using Elements for their content... seeing as there's no support included. I have an Elements subscription but I bought my last Wordpress theme from Themeforest. Didn't want to risk it if I need support. And if I was making something for a client, I definitely wouldn't want to risk it! Sure, others might look at it differently though!

increasingdifficulty:

--- Quote from: SpaceStockFootage on July 02, 2019, 12:45 ---I'd be surprised if many corporate website makers are using Elements for their content... seeing as there's no support included. I have an Elements subscription but I bought my last Wordpress theme from Themeforest. Didn't want to risk it if I need support. And if I was making something for a client, I definitely wouldn't want to risk it! Sure, others might look at it differently though!

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Haha, my first thought was the exact opposite. That inexperienced personal buyers would need the support, but someone who buys themes and makes websites for clients would know their way around Wordpress (and probably even how to make their own themes) and therefore wouldn't likely need support, and could pocket more money for themselves.

Anyway, we could guess all day, which is fun, but surely they wouldn't make the change if they didn't feel that way too much bonus $$$ were going to the wrong authors.

So, many will likely make substantially less, and others substantially more. The question is who? I hope not me... ;)

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