Author Topic: Envato want to be a reseller and makes the contributor to the seller!? (Read 46805 times)

EmberMike · « **Reply #125 on:** March 04, 2015, 10:50 »

Quote from: sharpshot on March 04, 2015, 04:18

... If they really wanted to not be an agency, they need to have a system where the contributor is paid automatically as soon as a buyer purchases a license...

Exactly. They want it all in their favor, they're a marketplace when it benefits them, but an agency when the market status doesn't benefit them. They pay contributors directly but invoice customers on behalf of the contributor. They can't always be all of these things, and even though they operate like an agency, they'll continue to insist that they're not, at least when it suits them.

Quote from: sharpshot on March 04, 2015, 04:18

...Now they are going to have a lot of contributors leaving because they don't want to deal with the potential tax problems and they will be keeping their money under the $50 payout threshold, how can a reseller justify keeping that money?

They can't justify it if they're a true marketplace. So again, they're operating like an agency. At least until they see some tax benefit to being just a marketplace and then they're saying they're that again.

It all makes no sense.

dpimborough · « **Reply #126 on:** March 05, 2015, 16:04 »

Quote from: EmberMike on March 04, 2015, 10:50

Quote from: sharpshot on March 04, 2015, 04:18
... If they really wanted to not be an agency, they need to have a system where the contributor is paid automatically as soon as a buyer purchases a license...

Exactly. They want it all in their favor, they're a marketplace when it benefits them, but an agency when the market status doesn't benefit them. They pay contributors directly but invoice customers on behalf of the contributor. They can't always be all of these things, and even though they operate like an agency, they'll continue to insist that they're not, at least when it suits them.

Quote from: sharpshot on March 04, 2015, 04:18
...Now they are going to have a lot of contributors leaving because they don't want to deal with the potential tax problems and they will be keeping their money under the $50 payout threshold, how can a reseller justify keeping that money?

They can't justify it if they're a true marketplace. So again, they're operating like an agency. At least until they see some tax benefit to being just a marketplace and then they're saying they're that again.

It all makes no sense.

It makes sense alright for Envato they are just like the rest of the stock weasels in the rabbit warren.

They just want an easy ride off the backs of contributors and sit on their arses making money off them.

Contributors cry and wail about poor sales, poor returns and the crapola that agencies pile on them and the agencies just shrug and carry on their sweet way.

EmberMike · « **Reply #127 on:** March 10, 2015, 13:39 »

Just saw an interesting post on the Envato forum. A buyer was asking about additional information on a contributor, that they need more detailed contributor information on the invoice to make the invoice legal and useful for tax purposes.

What was interesting about it to me is that buyers are, indeed, taking these invoices to mean that they are paying contributors directly. So buyers will be claiming money paid to contributors as business expenses, and they're asking Envato for additional information on contributors to be able to do exactly that. Meanwhile Envato will issue 1099s claiming to have paid out the same money.

Glad I walked away from that mess.

marthamarks · « **Reply #128 on:** March 10, 2015, 14:42 »

Quote from: EmberMike on March 10, 2015, 13:39

Glad I walked away from that mess.

Yep. I'm glad I left before any payments were handed over. US taxes are complex enough without adding that kind of deliberately messy cr*p.

Pixart · « **Reply #129 on:** March 11, 2015, 12:18 »

So.... I put a $13 ID template into my cart, when I went to buy it they asked for a $2 fee or to pay by Envato credits. I thought that fee may have gone away, don't they still take a percentage from the authors? I didn't go through with the transaction. I'll look to see if s/he sells it anywhere else first.

I could not find where to purchase Envato credits though, or how much they are, when they expire. I purchased credits a couple years ago and was quite perturbed when the balance expired.

On a side note: First, I'm Canadian, with all the business numbers that go along with it. "IF" I SOLD THERE.... (I don't) would they not have to collect GST and PST for Canadian and Provincial sales on my behalf? If I am the INVOICEE I would be responsible to pay those taxes when sold in my Country and Province whether they were collected or not. It is also unlawful to give a customer a receipt without your GST number on it. Just a thought. So happy I never contributed.

jarih · « **Reply #130 on:** March 21, 2015, 02:06 »

Finally, last payment is coming and all images are removed!

platform
invoice
VAT

"keep the jack"

Smilla · « **Reply #131 on:** March 21, 2015, 04:10 »

Support have been helpful, they will close my account once it reaches payout which is just a few cents away.

Shame as although i didn't earn much with them i did get a few good paying customers for private work through them.

Mantis · « **Reply #132 on:** March 23, 2015, 19:40 »

Quote from: Pixart on March 11, 2015, 12:18

So.... I put a $13 ID template into my cart, when I went to buy it they asked for a $2 fee or to pay by Envato credits. I thought that fee may have gone away, don't they still take a percentage from the authors? I didn't go through with the transaction. I'll look to see if s/he sells it anywhere else first.

I could not find where to purchase Envato credits though, or how much they are, when they expire. I purchased credits a couple years ago and was quite perturbed when the balance expired.

On a side note: First, I'm Canadian, with all the business numbers that go along with it. "IF" I SOLD THERE.... (I don't) would they not have to collect GST and PST for Canadian and Provincial sales on my behalf? If I am the INVOICEE I would be responsible to pay those taxes when sold in my Country and Province whether they were collected or not. It is also unlawful to give a customer a receipt without your GST number on it. Just a thought. So happy I never contributed.

I was reading their terms and was wondering if they consider the buyer fee OUR income. They say the selling price is made up of
1. the price of the product
2. A buyer fee
Total price

Does anyone know if that fee is being reported as income for contributors by Envanto?

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #133 on:** March 23, 2015, 19:50 »

Quote from: Mantis on March 23, 2015, 19:40

Quote from: Pixart on March 11, 2015, 12:18
So.... I put a $13 ID template into my cart, when I went to buy it they asked for a $2 fee or to pay by Envato credits. I thought that fee may have gone away, don't they still take a percentage from the authors? I didn't go through with the transaction. I'll look to see if s/he sells it anywhere else first.

I could not find where to purchase Envato credits though, or how much they are, when they expire. I purchased credits a couple years ago and was quite perturbed when the balance expired.

On a side note: First, I'm Canadian, with all the business numbers that go along with it. "IF" I SOLD THERE.... (I don't) would they not have to collect GST and PST for Canadian and Provincial sales on my behalf? If I am the INVOICEE I would be responsible to pay those taxes when sold in my Country and Province whether they were collected or not. It is also unlawful to give a customer a receipt without your GST number on it. Just a thought. So happy I never contributed.

I was reading their terms and was wondering if they consider the buyer fee OUR income. They say the selling price is made up of
1. the price of the product
2. A buyer fee
Total price

Does anyone know if that fee is being reported as income for contributors by Envanto?

They issue an invoice to the buyer in my name for the full amount, and then they add a line on my statement that I paid them an author fee. Its a complete mockery. I dont even know how they are legally allowed to do this. They act as a platform, but I have no control over anything.

Pixart · « **Reply #134 on:** March 23, 2015, 20:02 »

So my receipt would say $15, the author would be paid $13? Or is there more commission on top of that?

Sounds like the author has to claim $15 as income, then take the $2 fee as a direct expense against earnings?

Semmick Photo · « **Reply #135 on:** March 23, 2015, 20:04 »

I get 15 and then they deduct 2.

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