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« on: November 09, 2012, 09:37 »
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Some of my vectors are available on graphicriver (not many due to the reasons explained below)

- Yes uploading process is the worst that it can be but the point of this thread is different..

It is the "pricing inconsistencies between graphicriver and photodune" that bothers me the most!

here are some of my vectors all priced at $3, YES $3 Abysmal, isn't it?
http://graphicriver.net/item/film-reels/51774?WT.ac=portfolio&WT.seg_1=portfolio&WT.z_author=cidepix
http://graphicriver.net/item/eve-and-forbidden-fruit/53577?WT.ac=portfolio&WT.seg_1=portfolio&WT.z_author=cidepix
http://graphicriver.net/item/vector-ant/51416?WT.ac=portfolio&WT.seg_1=portfolio&WT.z_author=cidepix
http://graphicriver.net/item/ladybug/53972?WT.ac=portfolio&WT.seg_1=portfolio&WT.z_author=cidepix

and some of my $4 items:
http://graphicriver.net/item/casino/51480?WT.ac=portfolio&WT.seg_1=portfolio&WT.z_author=cidepix
http://graphicriver.net/item/pirate-map/131521?WT.ac=portfolio&WT.seg_1=portfolio&WT.z_author=cidepix

and the $5 GIVEAWAYS:
http://graphicriver.net/item/zodiac-star-signs/131544?WT.ac=portfolio&WT.seg_1=portfolio&WT.z_author=cidepix
http://graphicriver.net/item/glossy-and-colourful-3d-web-icons/51074?WT.ac=portfolio&WT.seg_1=portfolio&WT.z_author=cidepix

there are 32 files priced at $2 http://graphicriver.net/user/cidepix/portfolio?utf8=%E2%9C%93&sort_by=cost

YESS! ALL VECTORS

Now let's have a look at photodune illustrations (no offence to any of the artists, just would like to show pricing discrepancies)
$5 - Vector not given away: http://photodune.net/item/valentine-illustration/3365079?WT.ac=category_thumb&WT.seg_1=category_thumb&WT.z_author=nito100
http://photodune.net/item/valentine-illustration/3364873?WT.ac=category_thumb&WT.seg_1=category_thumb&WT.z_author=nito100
$9 - Vector not given away:
http://photodune.net/item/soccer-ball/3361054?WT.ac=portfolio_thumb&WT.seg_1=portfolio_thumb&WT.z_author=neyro2008
http://photodune.net/item/book-spread/2485487?WT.ac=portfolio_thumb&WT.seg_1=portfolio_thumb&WT.z_author=neyro2008
http://photodune.net/item/seamless-background-with-grapes/2534636?WT.ac=portfolio_thumb&WT.seg_1=portfolio_thumb&WT.z_author=neyro2008
http://photodune.net/item/blue-abstract-background/3078804?WT.ac=portfolio_thumb&WT.seg_1=portfolio_thumb&WT.z_author=neyro2008
http://photodune.net/item/blank-page/3038631?WT.ac=portfolio_thumb&WT.seg_1=portfolio_thumb&WT.z_author=neyro2008

Now here is my question:

Am I an idiot selling for $2-3 on graphicriver? while I can sell on photodune + PLUS keep the vector format which is more valuable than any JPEG resolution since it can produce unlimited resolution..


« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2012, 12:02 »
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I'd say don't sell on either.

« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2012, 13:13 »
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I simply don't understand how Envato came up with those vector prices. It's a disgrace plus you get a whopping 33% commission off of those really low prices.

It's a candy store for buyers but I can't see a professional illustrator get a decent amount of money back from them.

They do have a big marketplace which is hard to ignore.

I just sell everything on Photodune and be done with it.

P.S. Not to mention that vectors are so much more versatile over JPGs of course. It looks to me that they're putting rocks in their own way.
« Last Edit: November 09, 2012, 13:15 by click_click »

Microbius

« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2012, 16:18 »
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Very rough vector pricing on GR, defo not worth the effort of the painful uploads at the moment. They need to allow authors to price their own work, like (the excellent) GL do.

Microbius

« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2012, 05:27 »
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I wonder if anyone from the site is going to comment?

« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2012, 17:15 »
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I wonder if anyone from the site is going to comment?


their attitude is normally very positive and I am hoping they will do something to correct this.. It's just not right.. I've posted this on their forum as well..

http://graphicriver.net/forums/thread/graphicriver-photdune-pricing-discrepancies/79790?page=1#673210

« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2012, 18:13 »
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@ cidepix
This is unfortunately true for transparent .png files at GR too. So I just stop doing transparent pngs and just upload jpg files on PD
Same file isolated on white when you selling on PD worth 9$ for max size and only drop one file to FTP and wait sales, but if you put more additional work for transparent isolation (ready for place on web or to Indesign, quark or other DTP application) on GR this file worth ONLY 2-3$ for ANY size + you add additional work/time for creating Prew, Thumb or other additional images.
This policy is absolute stupid. No logic at all.
In my example/case transparent .png is superior than simple .jpg file isolated on white background, and in my opinion price structure must bee greater than 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9$ levels on PD.
Main problem on GR is that buyers dont have option to choose dimension compatible with price structure as they have on PD.


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I also post it on they forum...

« Reply #7 on: November 12, 2012, 08:36 »
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@ cidepix
This is unfortunately true for transparent .png files at GR too. So I just stop doing transparent pngs and just upload jpg files on PD
Same file isolated on white when you selling on PD worth 9$ for max size and only drop one file to FTP and wait sales, but if you put more additional work for transparent isolation (ready for place on web or to Indesign, quark or other DTP application) on GR this file worth ONLY 2-3$ for ANY size + you add additional work/time for creating Prew, Thumb or other additional images.
This policy is absolute stupid. No logic at all.
In my example/case transparent .png is superior than simple .jpg file isolated on white background, and in my opinion price structure must bee greater than 1, 2, 3, 5, 7, 9$ levels on PD.
Main problem on GR is that buyers dont have option to choose dimension compatible with price structure as they have on PD.


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I also post it on they forum...

I agree with you on PNGs..


« Reply #9 on: November 13, 2012, 22:02 »
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Hi everyone!  I wanted to weigh in real quick here to let you know that we are currently in the process of re-evaluating our Vector pricing on GraphicRiver. You have all made some valid points here and we are following this thread to ensure we have considered your concerns. Please know we value your feedback and hope to implement some positive pricing changes in the near future.

Thanks! - Josh

Josh, great to see you come here to check up on what's brewing amongst contributors.

I have a suggestion you might be able to bring up in the next meeting:

Kindly involve the 10 most successful illustrators on GraphicRiver in your new pricing scheme. Split it into 5 exclusive and 5 non-exclusive contributors to let them hear what your plans are. Other agencies did this before, having the contributors sign a non-disclosure form but I think it is extremely important to have a few contributors directly involved.

It would also show that Envato is interested in bilateral considerations. We're in this together and it can only succeed if both the agency AND the contributors are satisfied.

Just my 2 cents.

EmberMike

« Reply #10 on: November 13, 2012, 23:38 »
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Hi everyone!  I wanted to weigh in real quick here to let you know that we are currently in the process of re-evaluating our Vector pricing on GraphicRiver...

That's good to hear. I'd be a lot more motivated to start uploading regularly again if the pricing issue were addressed.

Microbius

« Reply #11 on: November 14, 2012, 04:40 »
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Great news, hope it is sorted out soon!

« Reply #12 on: November 14, 2012, 05:37 »
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Hi everyone!  I wanted to weigh in real quick here to let you know that we are currently in the process of re-evaluating our Vector pricing on GraphicRiver. You have all made some valid points here and we are following this thread to ensure we have considered your concerns. Please know we value your feedback and hope to implement some positive pricing changes in the near future.

Thanks! - Josh

Hi Josh,

Thanks for letting us know.. I hope you get this right very soon :)

Microbius

« Reply #13 on: November 21, 2012, 04:54 »
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I wonder which way the wind is blowing on this one, still no update on their thread.

joshsprague

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« Reply #14 on: November 21, 2012, 15:44 »
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Hi everyone!  I wanted to weigh in real quick here to let you know that we are currently in the process of re-evaluating our Vector pricing on GraphicRiver. You have all made some valid points here and we are following this thread to ensure we have considered your concerns. Please know we value your feedback and hope to implement some positive pricing changes in the near future.

Thanks! - Josh

Josh, great to see you come here to check up on what's brewing amongst contributors.

I have a suggestion you might be able to bring up in the next meeting:

Kindly involve the 10 most successful illustrators on GraphicRiver in your new pricing scheme. Split it into 5 exclusive and 5 non-exclusive contributors to let them hear what your plans are. Other agencies did this before, having the contributors sign a non-disclosure form but I think it is extremely important to have a few contributors directly involved.

It would also show that Envato is interested in bilateral considerations. We're in this together and it can only succeed if both the agency AND the contributors are satisfied.

Just my 2 cents.

Hi guys!  this is still in the works but please know we are moving forward and hope to have some good new for you just as soon as everything is worked out.

@click_click, thanks for the idea, we have taken your idea and will be implementing something very similar to your suggestion.  Thanks again!


« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2012, 16:18 »
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Hi everyone, as promised, we are reviewing or pricing structure for Vectors. In an effort to include contributors in this process, we have put together a quick survey that we are hoping you will all take a moment to complete.

Thanks for your participation :D

http://www.formstack.com/forms/envato-vectorpricing


Hi Josh,

I hope you won't post this on GR forums where the buyers can see it.. You know, they would choose "FREE" if they can..

imo, none of these matter:
- Technical
- Ability
- Complexity
- Originality
- Simplicity
- Detail
- Characterization
- Style (Consistency)
- Clarity
- Layout

I don't think you guys get the idea.. The most important of all is "SALES POTENTIAL" and that is the only thing that matters.. the simplest vector could be the best selling one and pricing it for $2 just because it is simple is the worst approach ever..

If a customer needs it, it will sell no matter the price.. I have got files that are consistently selling for $30 dollars on many of my agents.. Some of which you abysmaly priced for $2

You are losing me money, but most importantly you are losing YOU money because you get %66 of the total revenue.. Just check out my port and you will get the idea.. Some sold hundreds of times.. They would have still sold hundreds of times even if you had priced them at $10, instead of $2

If you are going to price vectors based on these factors:
- Technical
- Ability
- Complexity
- Originality
- Simplicity
- Detail
- Characterization
- Style (Consistency)
- Clarity
- Layout

then you should also price photos using this approach.. IF a large size JPEG image costs $9 no matter what, then any vector (simple or not) must cost at least $9 since a buyer who buys the vector can create a HUGE SIZE jpeg with it..
« Last Edit: November 27, 2012, 16:34 by cidepix »

« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2012, 16:28 »
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so in support to what I said in my previous post, here is how I would price them..

20 - 20 - 9 - 15 - 25 - 9 - 50 - 9 - 9 - 9 - 9 - 9 - 9

notice that the minimum price I gave them is $9

that is based on your large size JPEG price which should always be cheaper than vector files..

If your high res jpeg was $20, than I would price the vectors for $20 and upwards.. otherwise it is discrimination..

« Reply #18 on: November 27, 2012, 18:15 »
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Josh, I have to echo what cidepix has stated. Simple doesn't mean easy or cheap. I strive to make my images clean and easy to edit and if I do it well they look "simple". Anyone who has ever tried to do illustration on just about any level knows that "simple" combined with "well done" is extraordinarily difficult to achieve on a regular basis. The reason those images are in high demand is because most people can't do it themselves. Sure most people can look at an image and say "I could've done that" after seeing the image. However, very few people can actually create those images from scratch. You are missing out on a whole lot of money with your pricing and your upload procedure. You have simply made it not worth my time to submit. Its a shame too, because your RPI is actually pretty good.

« Reply #19 on: November 27, 2012, 18:30 »
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Ok, just looked at the survey. This seems pointless to me. You aren't giving any credence to what it takes to make an image or how long. This isn't easy and I'm not sure how happy I am with arbitrary deciding the value of my work based on another artist's "sample". You have some "simple" images with high sales potential and some complicated images that are very unlikely to sell much. Who cares how complicated the image is if it won't sell because no one needs it? If you are going to go with arbitrary pricing why not create a sliding scale based on sales? Start at say $15 and move the price up or down based on an actual calculation of average sales per month. That way better selling images earn more. At least the images would determine their own value.

Microbius

« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2012, 04:56 »
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Got to say I somewhat disagree with what has been said. Complexity does also have to be taken into account.
If someone is selling a complex detailed but specific character or mascot then they need to charge a higher price. It is not going to sell as many times as something generic, but has taken a long time to create and a buyer will be prepared to pay more because of this and also because it fills a very specific niche. The market place needs this work and so it needs to be compensated fairly.

Also the problem with pricing the generic stuff that everyone needs high is that there is also a big supply of it.

Please note however, the whole range of pricing needs to be way higher than the existing GR range, so the whole lot needs a bump regardless.
« Last Edit: November 28, 2012, 07:24 by Microbius »

Microbius

« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2012, 05:00 »
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Also, good idea to have the survey, at least it will give you a range that people think is acceptable

« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2012, 10:11 »
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I never meant to discount complex stuff. I just don't agree that because an image is simple it should be cheap. My point was that illustration done well is difficult and should be priced accordingly. This pricing is absurd. Do they price their photos this way as well? Photo of a barn $2, photo of a barn with mountains $4, photo of a barn with mountains and a pond $6?


Microbius

« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2012, 10:13 »
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Okay, I think the main point to take away is that current prices are far too low across the board

« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2012, 10:45 »
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Why not price everything the same? But, I agree with the others that the pricing is too low. I know I never joined GR because of the low prices and low royalties. It didn't seem worth it.

Microbius

« Reply #25 on: November 28, 2012, 11:42 »
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Why not price everything the same? But, I agree with the others that the pricing is too low. I know I never joined GR because of the low prices and low royalties. It didn't seem worth it.
Once you start trying to upload you find all kinds of other reasons not to bother.

Their upload procedure is a real eyeopener. They want separate thumbnails and preview images in specific sizes, as well as 30 keywords rather than 50, and the list goes on.   

Then they may just choose to reject it because you aren't offering a premium enough package for their site that charges peanuts and pays a cr*ppy percentage of that.

At least it looks like they may be listening now.

« Reply #26 on: November 28, 2012, 14:03 »
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I never meant to discount complex stuff. I just don't agree that because an image is simple it should be cheap. My point was that illustration done well is difficult and should be priced accordingly. This pricing is absurd. Do they price their photos this way as well? Photo of a barn $2, photo of a barn with mountains $4, photo of a barn with mountains and a pond $6?

Good one! :)

you should post this on their forum as well.. I have posted my opinions on the corresponding thread on GR forum as well..

Microbius

« Reply #27 on: December 21, 2012, 03:41 »
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Well it has been over a month, I wonder if we are due a nice New Year's surprise or not?

Microbius

« Reply #28 on: January 09, 2013, 05:33 »
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Has anyone heard anything about this?

Reminds me of the attitude the the Vector upload process. Great at responding with a quick "we are looking into it" but then nothing actually gets down.

They have been talking about sorting out uploads for as long as I have heard about the site, I hope vector pricing doesn't get kicked into the long grass the same way!

« Reply #29 on: January 09, 2013, 06:11 »
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Has anyone heard anything about this?

Reminds me of the attitude the the Vector upload process. Great at responding with a quick "we are looking into it" but then nothing actually gets down.

They have been talking about sorting out uploads for as long as I have heard about the site, I hope vector pricing doesn't get kicked into the long grass the same way!

Great point there! Even istockphoto can not rival their upload process..

Looking into it is good, but doing something about it will be great..


Microstock Man

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« Reply #31 on: March 20, 2013, 18:24 »
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Hi guys :) We are still working on this.  Will let you know as soon as I have something solid to share.

Thanks! - Josh

Can I revive this old thread Josh...

It is now near the end of March and still no word on vector price rises at Envato. This REALLY needs to be addressed.

Please please please let us know how and when things will improve on this issue if you can.


« Reply #33 on: September 20, 2013, 07:03 »
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Hi everyone!  I wanted to pop in real quick with and update on the issue of vector pricing at GraphicRiver.  Please take a look at the following post for more details.

http://graphicriver.net/forums/thread/vector-price-increase/96533

Thanks for your time! - Josh


hey josh..

$1 increase for items that sell for $30 elsewhere is still funny.. that is not going to get us uploading.. also, I think my items are still priced the same.. I don't see any increase for most of my files.. or maybe I didn't notice it, since the difference is very small..

still the lowest of all the site I have images on..

abysmal upload process is another big hurdle.. losing my confidence in graphicriver..


 

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