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Microstock Photography Forum - General => Software => Photoshop Discussion => Topic started by: fieldsphotos on May 06, 2013, 13:05
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http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/05/06/adobe-launches-new-creative-cloud-only-apps-and-services-photoshop-cc-indesign-cc-illustrator-cc-dreamweaver-cc-and-more/ (http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/05/06/adobe-launches-new-creative-cloud-only-apps-and-services-photoshop-cc-indesign-cc-illustrator-cc-dreamweaver-cc-and-more/)
Man, I don't like having to pay a subscription for software - I was on the "every other verision" with my Photoshop purchases. I currently have PS 5 and was waiting until PS 7 for a possible upgrade.
I may think about changing my workflow. Lightroom has become almost all of my workflow - as soon as they add perspective corrections to it, I might not need Photoshop for much anymore.
I also have a purchased copy of Illustrator, which I guess is going to be doing the same thing. Guess that is the last Illustrator copy I will buy for a loooong time, as I am not enough of a vector artist to justify the subscription price.
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I'm already a member of the "Creative Cloud" and I think it's great.
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I'm already a member of the "Creative Cloud" and I think it's great.
Ditto. I've been very happy with it.
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It might be a good value for someone who uses every application they offer. But at $50, and just using 2-3 apps, I'd feel like I'm getting ripped off. Although I think I read there's a $20 a month charge for a single license.
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That's a bummer. I'm still using CS4 and was thinking of going to CS6. Guess I'd better do it while I can - I don't do subscription programs. Their pricing will make it a non-issue for me - 600 bucks a year, every year for PS? I will have to find another program. Too bad.
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$600 dollars a year is a total non-starter for a huge number of people. Including me.
I don't need PS anyway, I can do everything I need with Elements, but it still sucks to see Adobe tightening the screws like this.
I used to be a software developer and I am all too familiar with the 'subscription model'. Marketing people hate waiting for developers to finish a release with enough new stuff in it to make it attractive - they want to put more pressure on the developers, with more frequent, short-term deadlines. Management hates the uncertainty, and wants predictable recurring revenue. So they try to sign up customers for a subscription plan. And it never works, and invariably they give up on it, because a development group can't produce compelling new functionality in bite-size chunks, every 3 months, in a huge and complex application like PS. Customers end up feeling the subscription isn't worth the money.
Management also loves the idea of the software running over the web because they can lock out pirates. And the end result is always poor performance and unhappy users.
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It's not for me. I didn't see anything in PS CS6 that I needed, so they'd have to really come up with something great in CS7.
Plus I've heard that if you have a suite, which I have, you can't upgrade only one part, so it certainly wouldn't work for me, as I only 'play' with the other progs.
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I've just checked UK pricing at it weighs in at £46.88 ($72.81 dollars)!! Per month
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$600 dollars a year is a total non-starter for a huge number of people. Including me.
I don't need PS anyway, I can do everything I need with Elements, but it still sucks to see Adobe tightening the screws like this.
I used to be a software developer and I am all too familiar with the 'subscription model'. Marketing people hate waiting for developers to finish a release with enough new stuff in it to make it attractive - they want to put more pressure on the developers, with more frequent, short-term deadlines. Management hates the uncertainty, and wants predictable recurring revenue. So they try to sign up customers for a subscription plan. And it never works, and invariably they give up on it, because a development group can't produce compelling new functionality in bite-size chunks, every 3 months, in a huge and complex application like PS. Customers invariably end up feeling the subscription isn't worth the money.
Management also loves the idea of the software running over the web because they can lock out pirates. And the end result is always poor performance and unhappy users.
I think Symantec has done this from the very beginning, Stock. I'm not supporting the idea; and despise the "subs" programs for software and microstock.
But, it certainly has worked for Norton and Symantec.
Also, I too do not use Photoshop. I'm just getting around to upgrading to Lightroom from Elements. And, still prefer Elements at this point.
Here's hoping that enough people resist the subscription idea to make Adobe think again.
ED: Look for this to trickle down to Elements, Lightroom and other Adobe Products.
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It might be a good value for someone who uses every application they offer. But at $50, and just using 2-3 apps, I'd feel like I'm getting ripped off. Although I think I read there's a $20 a month charge for a single license.
I can definitely can see that, but considering my whole business revolves around these programs, it isn't really all that pricey (even with my humble earnings). It probably isn't necessary to have the latest and "greatest" software, but the convenience has been nice.
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I think Symantec has done this from the very beginning, Stock. I'm not supporting the idea; and despise the "subs" programs for software and microstock.
But, it certainly has worked for Norton and Symantec.
Yeah, but I would say that's different. They mainly update the database of known virus signatures, and that changes every week, so a subscription makes sense. And even so, if you Google on this, you'll see that their anti-virus programs really aren't that effective, and it's questionable if the subscription is worth the money.
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Well, I figured 30 dollars per month, I could get CS6 but of course they charge me 30 euros, so they can suck on a lemon. Why someone in Europe has to pay 30% more is beyond me.
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I'm still using the original CS from 2003. It did pretty much everthing I needed back then ... and it still does. One day I might even get around to learning how to use it properly.
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I just looked at the subscriptions, they are all priced for "annual commitments". If you cancel before your year is up (after the 30 day trial period), you are billed 50% of the remaining commitment terms.
http://www.adobe.com/misc/subscription_terms.html (http://www.adobe.com/misc/subscription_terms.html)
I haven't found the info on the month to month pricing yet. Depending on how they price that, it might be cost effective for me to just buy a month here and there when I need it. (I am only a hobbyist at this)
I am interested in the new camera shake tool they are advertising. I would be very curious as to how good that ends up being (especially since I just did a helicopter tour and ended up with fewer keepers than I had hoped for due to the chopper motion - several are "almost" sharp enough, but not enough for large prints let alone stock)
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On the UK site, the monthly payment is on the same page as the annual payment.
While it is much more expensive than the US price, the US Adobe site won't let me see the US prices, although I can click around on the US site, whenever I try to look at prices, it changes me to the UK price. So I can't check if the US price includes US taxes. The UK price is correctly inclusive of VAT, but I know that in many cases US prices are quoted net of taxes.
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Actually, I have to pay € 36.89, so never.
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Some of the enhancements to the pure cloud services are interesting and make the monthly fee a slightly less bitter pill to swallow. They've added Behance ProSite integration to the subscription for making a personal portfolio website ($11/mo value):
http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/behance-community.html (http://www.adobe.com/products/creativecloud/behance-community.html)
http://prosite.com/ (http://prosite.com/)
Also, it looks like they are adding file versioning to their included 20GB cloud storage which would be quite useful for backups and works-in-progress.
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I dislike software subscriptions but I got the subscription to the adobe suite with the view that I was going to use more software :). I still haven't opened any of the other software (only ps, lightroom, illustrator a couple of times) but I get academic pricing ($15/month) so am still happy with it.
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I can see this subscription model opening up the market for a new company to come in.
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I can see this subscription model opening up the market for a new company to come in.
They've got a lot of development to catch up on.
Paint Shop Pro was OK back in the day. Did it ever go anwhere? Is it still being developed? Oh, it's OK, I can Google. Seems it has taken over by Corel, but very much aimed at the hobbyist nowadays.
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I'm using Darktable and The Gimp on Linux most of the time now, all free. I'd much rather spend money on cameras and lenses than give it to Adobe.
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I can see this subscription model opening up the market for a new company to come in.
They've got a lot of development to catch up on.
Paint Shop Pro was OK back in the day. Did it ever go anwhere? Is it still being developed? Oh, it's OK, I can Google. Seems it has taken over by Corel, but very much aimed at the hobbyist nowadays.
Yeah, I doubt it too. Most companies probably switched over to the subscriptions last year, so whoever wanted to jump in missed their chance. I know I switched last year because it seemed like that was where they were headed in the future. I guess a year later, the future is now.
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Bad news, I think many will be looking at alternative software.
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Bad news, I think many will be looking at alternative software.
Certainly makes GIMP look good. And, some people never stopped using Paint Shop Pro.
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I can see the amount of photoshop sales going down, with this current plan you will be buying a new version every year.
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Think of the revenue stream Adobe will produce (assuming they were to keep all their customers). For me, I would need PS so that is $20 a month in perpetuity. In 10 years I would spend $2400. Normally I use a release for 5 years, so in that 10 years I'd make two purchases for, say at $700 a pop, totals $1400. They pull in an extra grand from one single person for that 10 year subscription. I know cloud services is the way of the future but it will come at a heavy expense to some people, while making profits head over heels for Adobe. Not having to mass produce DVD's, packaging, warehousing, shipping, etc will add to their operating income I'd bet significantly. Yes, they will have expenses to manage the cloud, but I doubt at the same financial requirements as producing & maintaining inventory for a global market.
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And I bet all those who currently use it for free will still find ways of doing so.
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I remember years ago Microsoft floated this idea to its corporate accounts and the response was a big NO. I bet if a large number of the customers said that were not going to use this model it would go away
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why are the FAQs just rehashes of the info provided?
what happens after 12 months? is it like a gym membership, I get to lock in my price and stay on that plan month to month. they haven't thought that part through yet, I suspect.
You can purchase a single-app membership plan; however, it is more cost effective to purchase the Creative Cloud complete individual plan, which gives you access to our most popular desktop apps and services.
lol, well true, if you use the other stuff.
seriously, who writes this stuff??
they may finally sucker me into paying more to get Lightroom.
is this a concern?
The following Creative Cloud apps support Mac OS X v10.6.8 and later:
Extension Manager
Illustrator CC
InCopy® CC
InDesign CC
Adobe Muse CC
Products not listed here are not supported on Mac OS X v10.6.
um, not seeing Photoshop on that list.
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why are the FAQs just rehashes of the info provided?
what happens after 12 months? is it like a gym membership, I get to lock in my price and stay on that plan month to month. they haven't thought that part through yet, I suspect.
Prior to 12 months, they sent me an email saying that my subscription would auto-renew. If I wanted to adjust my renewal options, I could log in to my account.
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CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.
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CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.
It all depends on your workflow, I suppose. For me, Adobe always wins when I buy a new camera body and my older version of Camera RAW doesn't support the new RAW file. Then I shake my fist in the air and yell "Adoooooobeeeeee!" in my best Captain Kirk.
(And, yes, I know I can use the software the comes in the camera to process RAW files, and that might even produce better results, but I don't want to add another step or more file types to my current process)
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On the website it mentions photoshop but not lightroom.
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^ interesting point. They've created Lr to sell to those who can't afford PS, but now that's a moot point? you'll pay the same to have a single application. Presuming ACR is still bundled with PS then it's a far better option to have that combo.
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CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.
It all depends on your workflow, I suppose. For me, Adobe always wins when I buy a new camera body and my older version of Camera RAW doesn't support the new RAW file. Then I shake my fist in the air and yell "Adoooooobeeeeee!" in my best Captain Kirk.
(And, yes, I know I can use the software the comes in the camera to process RAW files, and that might even produce better results, but I don't want to add another step or more file types to my current process)
Why not just use the free Adobe DNG Converter? It's easy to convert a folder of images.
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it's amazing that some of my clients claim microstock photos are expansive !
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I have been using Photoshop since version 3 I started using it in the first place because My clients wanted a standard file that they could edit. I only work for myself now so that's not an issue. I will not pay a subscription for software. CS6 works fine for me and I will stick with it until something better comes along with no subscription. ( I don't want to work out how much money I have spent on software but it is somewhere between a new car and a new House). :(
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lol, where I live that's about $1.2M. are you sure you're not exaggerating just a wee bit? :)
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lol, where I live that's about $1.2M. are you sure you're not exaggerating just a wee bit? :)
Yikes!
It depends where you live.
Hereabouts a new car equivalent to the one I have just now is under £10K and I could happily live in a house currently selling around here for £100,000, but of course you can get cheaper and much more expensive versions of both.
I dread to count it up, but almost certainly I've spent more on software than my current car is worth.
I need to buy shares in Adobe!
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I utilize most of Adobe software and I am excited by subscription...access to all their software and always having the latest version is a huge plus...and $50 a month is less than I pay for most things...as a freelancer it's actually better than having to pay $$$$ to upgrade an entire suite...I'm excited by this. Adobe has a cloud connected stylus and ruler coming that also looks awesome and can be used on our tablet.
This seems to be he way a lt of software is going.
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CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.
It all depends on your workflow, I suppose. For me, Adobe always wins when I buy a new camera body and my older version of Camera RAW doesn't support the new RAW file. Then I shake my fist in the air and yell "Adoooooobeeeeee!" in my best Captain Kirk.
(And, yes, I know I can use the software the comes in the camera to process RAW files, and that might even produce better results, but I don't want to add another step or more file types to my current process)
Why not just use the free Adobe DNG Converter? It's easy to convert a folder of images.
That's what I do - put all new raws in a To Be Converted folder, open DNG Converter and convert them all with one click, then move them to my current work folder. Fast and easy. After that they will open up in ACR for white balance adjustments, etc.
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CS2 works fine for me. I dont need fancy filters in new versions.
It all depends on your workflow, I suppose. For me, Adobe always wins when I buy a new camera body and my older version of Camera RAW doesn't support the new RAW file. Then I shake my fist in the air and yell "Adoooooobeeeeee!" in my best Captain Kirk.
(And, yes, I know I can use the software the comes in the camera to process RAW files, and that might even produce better results, but I don't want to add another step or more file types to my current process)
Why not just use the free Adobe DNG Converter? It's easy to convert a folder of images.
That's what I do - put all new raws in a To Be Converted folder, open DNG Converter and convert them all with one click, then move them to my current work folder. Fast and easy. After that they will open up in ACR for white balance adjustments, etc.
I think I'll forget I read that.
I was thinking that the sub deal, combined with not being able to upgrade PS alone, would mean I could forget totally about upgrading cameras, though of course the Mk2s should do me for years yet.
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"UPDATE: It appears Adobe will still offer perpetual licenses (also see video below where the Creative Cloud is touted "as an option," not the de facto way of procuring Adobe software). They're just down playing it in order to push their Creative Cloud offerings."
http://ryanholmes.me/cutcolorpost/2013/4/7/adobe-and-creative-cloud (http://ryanholmes.me/cutcolorpost/2013/4/7/adobe-and-creative-cloud)
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"UPDATE: It appears Adobe will still offer perpetual licenses (also see video below where the Creative Cloud is touted "as an option," not the de facto way of procuring Adobe software). They're just down playing it in order to push their Creative Cloud offerings."
[url]http://ryanholmes.me/cutcolorpost/2013/4/7/adobe-and-creative-cloud[/url] ([url]http://ryanholmes.me/cutcolorpost/2013/4/7/adobe-and-creative-cloud[/url])
Check the date on that article.
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I was talking about how much I have spent an all software not just adobe although I have over the years had to buy 11 versions of adobe software for PC and 5 for Mac. 3ds max and Maya are the most expensive at £3200 each for current versions.( they used to be a lot lot more). and plug-in's are often over a K.
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I was talking to a friend who does alot of remote location shoots without internet connections -- the cloud will be worthless to him. :P
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I was talking to a friend who does alot of remote location shoots without internet connections -- the cloud will be worthless to him. :P
From Adobe's FAQ:
Do I need ongoing Internet access to use my Creative Cloud desktop applications?
No. Your Creative Cloud desktop applications (such as Photoshop and Illustrator) are installed directly on your computer, so you won't need an ongoing Internet connection to use them on a daily basis.
You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline.
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If you upgrade on a regular basis is the $20 per month cheaper than a once ever 12 month or so regular upgrade. If you skip one or two versions like I do it's not.
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If you upgrade on a regular basis is the $20 per month cheaper than a once ever 12 month or so regular upgrade. If you skip one or two versions like I do it's not.
People like you are the reason for this. You are costing Adobe Money. ;D ;D
Just kidding.
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Adobe is a pack of greedy slobs.
[url]http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/05/06/adobe-launches-new-creative-cloud-only-apps-and-services-photoshop-cc-indesign-cc-illustrator-cc-dreamweaver-cc-and-more/[/url] ([url]http://thenextweb.com/insider/2013/05/06/adobe-launches-new-creative-cloud-only-apps-and-services-photoshop-cc-indesign-cc-illustrator-cc-dreamweaver-cc-and-more/[/url])
Man, I don't like having to pay a subscription for software - I was on the "every other verision" with my Photoshop purchases. I currently have PS 5 and was waiting until PS 7 for a possible upgrade.
I may think about changing my workflow. Lightroom has become almost all of my workflow - as soon as they add perspective corrections to it, I might not need Photoshop for much anymore.
I also have a purchased copy of Illustrator, which I guess is going to be doing the same thing. Guess that is the last Illustrator copy I will buy for a loooong time, as I am not enough of a vector artist to justify the subscription price.
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Does this change anything - can I run it on a laptop and on a desktop or will that be 2 subscriptions? (I believe currently no to photoshop, yes to lightroom?)
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They allow 2 computers, so a laptop and desktop are acceptable. If you have a computer hardware problem, like in my case I upgraded a motherboard, and didn't deactivate the software package first, you will have to call them or use the chat to allow the upgraded computer to use the software.
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If you have a computer hardware problem, like in my case I upgraded a motherboard, and didn't deactivate the software package first, you will have to call them or use the chat to allow the upgraded computer to use the software.
This is no longer necessary with Adobe Cloud. The process is much simpler now, you can activate your new installation, and the old ones will be disabled even if the computer is not online or even defective. I had to do that a few times (switching between 3 computers), it's much easier than with the old box versions.
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"You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline."
So you could.... Buy a 1 month subscription for £50 then use offline for 180 days....then pay another £50 and have another 180 days?!?
Seems to be such an easy way to abuse the pricing...... Surely not?
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My experience was with Adobe cloud not a boxed version, during January when I upgraded a motherboard. It wasn't too much of a hassle, but it wasn't automatic like you suggested.
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"You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline."
So you could.... Buy a 1 month subscription for £50 then use offline for 180 days....then pay another £50 and have another 180 days?!?
Seems to be such an easy way to abuse the pricing...... Surely not?
It's a yearly subscription that bills monthly, so you couldn't do that as far as I know.
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"You will need to be online when you install and license your software. If you have an annual membership, you'll be asked to connect to the web to validate your software licenses every 30 days. However, you'll be able to use products for 180 days even if you're offline."
So you could.... Buy a 1 month subscription for £50 then use offline for 180 days....then pay another £50 and have another 180 days?!?
Seems to be such an easy way to abuse the pricing...... Surely not?
It's a yearly subscription that bills monthly, so you couldn't do that as far as I know.
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In the uk they are offering a cancel anytime option that's 70 a month?
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I was talking to a friend who does alot of remote location shoots without internet connections -- the cloud will be worthless to him. :P
you dont have to be permanently connected. Not sure how often it checks online, but it isnt everytime. You get licences for two machines but you can actually install on more than two and when you start the software on the third it will ask to sign in and then take the licence from one of the others. When you need it back on that machine sign in again and it is back (made it sound more complicated than it is). So as long the machine without internet holds one of the licences, it doesn't check real often. I use it on my laptop and was away a couple of weeks ago without internet and it was fine.
Cant believe I just defended a subscription service :o ??? :-[
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I was talking to a friend who does alot of remote location shoots without internet connections -- the cloud will be worthless to him. :P
you dont have to be permanently connected. Not sure how often it checks online, but it isnt everytime. You get licences for two machines but you can actually install on more than two and when you start the software on the third it will ask to sign in and then take the licence from one of the others. When you need it back on that machine sign in again and it is back (made it sound more complicated than it is). So as long the machine without internet holds one of the licences, it doesn't check real often. I use it on my laptop and was away a couple of weeks ago without internet and it was fine.
Cant believe I just defended a subscription service :o ??? :-[
Could subscription not be compared to Renting rather than owning the software? If you stop "renting" the software, what happens? Will it still be locally available? Do you lose online access? Does the software self-destruct on your computer?
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Cant believe I just defended a subscription service :o ??? :-[
LOL. Me too. I grumbled and cursed them a year or two ago when they basically said they weren't doing upgrades for older versions anymore. I probably called the subscription service stupid and greedy. After a year of having it though, I've been very happy with it. I even have been using Lightroom. Something I wouldn't have gotten if I bought the box version. It saved me a bunch of time last year for transferring keywords.
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Scott Kelby posted a Q&A Here (http://scottkelby.com/2013/my-take-on-adobes-announcements-yesterday-at-the-max-conference/) and mentions a Single App option to subscribe to Photoshop only for $19.95 a month and if you have any version back to CS3 you get a price break, it's $10 a month for a year.
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They'll create the subscription model and then a year or two down the road, charge a new version surcharge.
I do think it gives them less incentive to be innovative. The money was in the upgrade and you upgraded for better features. Why bother with new features?
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I was forced to upgrade from CS4 to CS6 when I got my new camera (5dmiii). I'll probably use
CS6 for a loooong time but I think maybe I should have subscribed to Photoshop on CC. I had to pay over $800 for CS6 in the box and that's over three years of subscription. If I buy a new camera during that time I'll probably have to throw CS6 away just like I did CS4.
The camera upgrade issue will probably become the thing that drives most photogs to the cloud.
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I just disappointed that now we effectively are "renting" the software. The only perk would be if, like a gym membership, I can take 3 months off from time to time without penalty.
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Im not really a fan of this at all, but the only perk I can see is the 2 licenses thing, 1 for desktop 1 for laptop.
But a question on this - does anyone know for sure if you can have 1 license Mac and 1 license PC under the same subscription?
My wife still has a PC :(
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Interesting reaction blog post from Microsoft today, who have a subscription program for the Office software suite. In summary, they believe that software subscriptions are the future, especially when coupled with value-added cloud services, but the future might not be right now:
http://blogs.office.com/b/office-news/archive/2013/05/07/software-subscriptions-progressive-or-premature.aspx (http://blogs.office.com/b/office-news/archive/2013/05/07/software-subscriptions-progressive-or-premature.aspx)
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My perspective...
http://edendicott.com/blog/2013/5/adobe-drops-a-bombshell-on-independent-photographers (http://edendicott.com/blog/2013/5/adobe-drops-a-bombshell-on-independent-photographers)
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My perspective...
[url]http://edendicott.com/blog/2013/5/adobe-drops-a-bombshell-on-independent-photographers[/url] ([url]http://edendicott.com/blog/2013/5/adobe-drops-a-bombshell-on-independent-photographers[/url])
I could not agree more, what happens later, are we be going forced to "rent" our cameras from Nikon or Canon
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Im not really a fan of this at all, but the only perk I can see is the 2 licenses thing, 1 for desktop 1 for laptop.
But a question on this - does anyone know for sure if you can have 1 license Mac and 1 license PC under the same subscription?
My wife still has a PC :(
if you could have one a pc and one of a mac that's a +1 for this new system.
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Im not really a fan of this at all, but the only perk I can see is the 2 licenses thing, 1 for desktop 1 for laptop.
But a question on this - does anyone know for sure if you can have 1 license Mac and 1 license PC under the same subscription?
My wife still has a PC :(
if you could have one a pc and one of a mac that's a +1 for this new system.
Yeah I agree, just haven't heard a definitive answer if you can though? It SEEMS that way, but I'd want to be sure.
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Im not really a fan of this at all, but the only perk I can see is the 2 licenses thing, 1 for desktop 1 for laptop.
But a question on this - does anyone know for sure if you can have 1 license Mac and 1 license PC under the same subscription?
My wife still has a PC :(
if you could have one a pc and one of a mac that's a +1 for this new system.
Yeah I agree, just haven't heard a definitive answer if you can though? It SEEMS that way, but I'd want to be sure.
Yes, that's no problem. I did this before I had the MB Pro, I used to have a HP Laptop with Win7. No Problems to mix 1 Mac + 1 PC.
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I think when they have enough people on subscriptions, they will start putting the price up. I don't know why more people aren't thinking of switching to one of the many good alternatives to Photoshop? For those that want something familiar, try Photoshop Elements with the ElementsXXL plugin. It does almost everything Photoshop does at a fraction of the price.
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I think when they have enough people on subscriptions, they will start putting the price up. I don't know why more people aren't thinking of switching to one of the many good alternatives to Photoshop? For those that want something familiar, try Photoshop Elements with the ElementsXXL plugin. It does almost everything Photoshop does at a fraction of the price.
Elements probably does not have a long term future. Domestic users and hobbyists (the Elements target group) are increasingly switching to tablet devices. For most of what most Elements users want to do a tablet app will be ideal.
Traditional computers and productivity software will increasingly be a niche only required by people who need to do stuff which tablets are not yet suitable for. Until at some point tablets are good enough for processing.
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Well it had to happen... someone's done one of those Hitler spoof vids on the CC issue. I love these things:)
(Contains swearing):
Hitler learns about Adobe's new Creative Cloud model. (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Iw9q2X9cU#ws)
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That is hilarious!
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Does anyone know what happens to the third party plug-ins such as Nik software when PS is subscribed?
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That was great ;D
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Adobe is playing with fire, a LOT of people will stick with CS6 forever, millions of others will stick to cracked versions.
They're only alienating their legitimate customers.
Quark managed to destroy itself as well years ago when it was market leader, and so did Macromedia, Aldus, and many others.
They know very well Photoshop is already a finished product, bloated, and suffering from feature creep.
There will be no revolutionary features added anytime soon, the healing brush was the only one in almost a decade and it could have been done easily by 3rd party addons.
For photographers it makes even less sense to switch to the cloud considering how good is Lightroom for most of our needs.
Let's face it, technologically speaking there's not much more to innovate in digital photography, the big difference is that nowadays hardware is cheap, cpus are faster, hard disks are bigger and we've also SSDs, big monitors cost a pittance.
The switch to the cloud model will be just about pushing small upgrades, maybe they'll integrate some 3rd party addons into PS but it's no big deal, i mean certainly no big deal for us, for designers it's another story they'll be locked forever into the CS Suite and i can't see any decent alternative around, this stuff is jus too complex to even dream about making a competitive product .. i hear people mentioning PixelMator, Corel, Gimp, GimpShop .. can't think a single professional would switch to that cr-ap.
Acdsee Pro 6 is a decent and better alternative to Bridge, but not even in the same league as Lightroom, Photo Mechanic great for news photographers, but for anything else hmmm ?
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Adobe is playing with fire, a LOT of people will stick with CS6 forever, millions of others will stick to cracked versions.
They're only alienating their legitimate customers.
I'm thinking they think their legitimate customers are the ones that buy the whole suite on a regular basis. It stinks for the little guy that just wants to buy Photoshop every 5 or 10 years, but how much should Adobe really cater to that segment of their market.
I would imagine that they didn't take this step lightly and that they looked at the numbers of subscriptions purchased in the last year or so. Let's not forget that this is a business. A savvy one that has cornered its market. They are in this to make money and keep their customers coming back.
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Scott Bourne thinks 90% of those complaining are using pirated copies:
http://photofocus.com/2013/05/08/10-reasons-the-haters-are-mad-about-adobe-creative-cloud/ (http://photofocus.com/2013/05/08/10-reasons-the-haters-are-mad-about-adobe-creative-cloud/)
I've upgraded PS from CS3 to CS4 to CS5 to CS6, so clearly I'm one who should be very happy about this change. But I'm not; not at all. I do not like renting software. I plan to stay with CS6 unless they come up with some PS enhancement that I simply cannot work without (I rather doubt that will happen).
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Considering Scott get paid by Adobe to push their product why should this surprise us. Scott is getting jis butt handed to him on that site and he closed the comments. I stopped listening to Scott long ago.
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Adobe bought most of their competitors, discontinued applications, giving us less options to choose from. Relearning software to accomplish the same thing a different way has been such a waste of my time and money. Now, with the lack of competition, they think they've got us by the balls. I started with Photoshop 1.0 quite a few upgrades ago.
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Does anyone know what happens to the third party plug-ins such as Nik software when PS is subscribed?
All Plugins still work the same way, I use quite a few and had no problems. For the plugin, PS is PS, no difference between subscription and bought versions.
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Scott Bourne thinks 90% of those complaining are using pirated copies:
[url]http://photofocus.com/2013/05/08/10-reasons-the-haters-are-mad-about-adobe-creative-cloud/[/url] ([url]http://photofocus.com/2013/05/08/10-reasons-the-haters-are-mad-about-adobe-creative-cloud/[/url])
I've upgraded PS from CS3 to CS4 to CS5 to CS6, so clearly I'm one who should be very happy about this change. But I'm not; not at all. I do not like renting software. I plan to stay with CS6 unless they come up with some PS enhancement that I simply cannot work without (I rather doubt that will happen).
i think 90% of cracked copies is a realistic number :)
however, they will KEEP using pirated copies including the new CC Suite, do they really think it's such a hard thing to crack a callback activation ? it will be cracked in 48 hrs and thanks for all the fish.
every Adobe product has been cracked and same for all the best plugins, and in plus they've been cracked brilliantly as they all work 100%.
the only top-tier software that hasnt been cracked so far is Cubase 6 and 7.
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Adobe is playing with fire, a LOT of people will stick with CS6 forever, millions of others will stick to cracked versions.
They're only alienating their legitimate customers.
I'm thinking they think their legitimate customers are the ones that buy the whole suite on a regular basis. It stinks for the little guy that just wants to buy Photoshop every 5 or 10 years, but how much should Adobe really cater to that segment of their market.
I would imagine that they didn't take this step lightly and that they looked at the numbers of subscriptions purchased in the last year or so. Let's not forget that this is a business. A savvy one that has cornered its market. They are in this to make money and keep their customers coming back.
of course they know what they're doing but MAYBE they're underestimating the domino effect it will create in the long term.
if we look at MS Office 365 it's not looking like a booming success no matter how microsoft is in denial.
i mean the issue here is that we're talking of switching from how software has been meant to be in the last 30 yrs to a whole new "rental" business concept.
and i don't know anybody who likes the idea of renting a software.
actually it would make more sense for hardware.
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Wow! A good one. Crappy ending, however. Just for that, I'm not going to share it :(
Well it had to happen... someone's done one of those Hitler spoof vids on the CC issue. I love these things:)
(Contains swearing):
Hitler learns about Adobe's new Creative Cloud model. ([url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67Iw9q2X9cU#ws[/url])
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Does anyone know what happens to the third party plug-ins such as Nik software when PS is subscribed?
EXTREMELY important point, for me anyway.
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Scott Bourne thinks 90% of those complaining are using pirated copies:
[url]http://photofocus.com/2013/05/08/10-reasons-the-haters-are-mad-about-adobe-creative-cloud/[/url] ([url]http://photofocus.com/2013/05/08/10-reasons-the-haters-are-mad-about-adobe-creative-cloud/[/url])
I've upgraded PS from CS3 to CS4 to CS5 to CS6, so clearly I'm one who should be very happy about this change. But I'm not; not at all. I do not like renting software. I plan to stay with CS6 unless they come up with some PS enhancement that I simply cannot work without (I rather doubt that will happen).
I think scott is wrong. I have been buying adobe software since the beginning. Not pirating. And i am complaining. I am at cs5 and i will likely stay there. I whittled down my cable bill and cell phone bill because im tired of making huge monthly payments to greedy corporations who overcharge for the services because we dont have much choice. I am at cs5 and will stay there until a reasonable solution comes about. This is a great opportunity for someone to swoop in and take market share. Just like adobe did when quarkxpress screwed up.
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Corel Paintshop Pro is highly underrated. If they had a Mac version, I'd use it. I don't think Corel is crap. Also GIMP is highly sophisticated. These things are far from "cr-ap". I've been a big Adobe user since the early 1990s in college through professional work. However, once a person overcomes a slight learning curve, switching to a new application is easy. With a will, it can be done. Also, many 3rd party Photoshop plugins work in stand-alone format (Noise Ninja, etc.). A tweak to workflow and you'll be free of the Adobe handcuffs. After Adobe's jacked-up cloud announcement, I'm ready to make the transition away from them—and tell all my customers and students about it. 8)
FYI, for those interested, there is ACDsee for mac. I'm going to experiment with a free trial: http://www.acdsee.com/en/products/acdsee-pro-3-mac (http://www.acdsee.com/en/products/acdsee-pro-3-mac)
Adobe is playing with fire, a LOT of people will stick with CS6 forever, millions of others will stick to cracked versions.
The switch to the cloud model will be just about pushing small upgrades, maybe they'll integrate some 3rd party addons into PS but it's no big deal, i mean certainly no big deal for us, for designers it's another story they'll be locked forever into the CS Suite and i can't see any decent alternative around, this stuff is jus too complex to even dream about making a competitive product .. i hear people mentioning PixelMator, Corel, Gimp, GimpShop .. can't think a single professional would switch to that cr-ap.
Acdsee Pro 6 is a decent and better alternative to Bridge, but not even in the same league as Lightroom, Photo Mechanic great for news photographers, but for anything else hmmm ?
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For most people, this will only be an issue when either ACC or one of the other programs introduces a must-have feature. Otherwise, we'd stay with whatever version of PS we currently have, at least until Adobe play really mean and won't let us register our existing software if we change computers.
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For most people, this will only be an issue when either ACC or one of the other programs introduces a must-have feature. Otherwise, we'd stay with whatever version of PS we currently have, at least until Adobe play really mean and won't let us register our existing software if we change computers.
I was having this conversation with my wife yesterday. Last time I tried this it didn't work. I deactivated my license, got a new computer and it wouldn't accept my license. So I called Adobe and all I got was an Indian from India who in broken English told me he couldn't help me. And this was CS4 suite. I ended up having to purchase a new suite because Adobe customer service SUCKED!!!!!
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i use AcdSee since 1997 or 98 when it was just an image viewer.
now it's maybe on par with Bridge but there are many useful batch functions.
i've never used the Pro 6 for RAW development or even for color correction, the interface is just cumbersome and i see no reason having already Lightroom and PS.
however, if you've nothing else i guess it can get the job done, more or less all the functions of LR are there.
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petition:
http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model (http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model)
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That sucks, don't know what I am going to do about it. Hate the idea of subscribing.
Software developers have to find a new model, thanks to people's complete lack of scruples about stealing the stuff, hopefully they find a better one than this.
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petition:
[url]http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model[/url] ([url]http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model[/url])
signed
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I use LR and Nik for everything but complicated cloning/touchup in which case I jump over to CS5. With the supposedly markedly improved healing brush in LR5 I suspect that will be it for PS in my workflow.
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Lightroom 5 will be offered as standalone software as well as in the cloud.
http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud.html (http://blogs.adobe.com/lightroomjournal/2013/05/lightroom-and-the-creative-cloud.html)
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Thanks for the headsup. I've been using CS4, but just bought CS6 as a result of this discussion. At least I will have the most current version BEFORE the cloud subscription nonsense kicked in.
I have no intention of renting software. F**k that.
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For most people, this will only be an issue when either ACC or one of the other programs introduces a must-have feature. Otherwise, we'd stay with whatever version of PS we currently have, at least until Adobe play really mean and won't let us register our existing software if we change computers.
I was having this conversation with my wife yesterday. Last time I tried this it didn't work. I deactivated my license, got a new computer and it wouldn't accept my license. So I called Adobe and all I got was an Indian from India who in broken English told me he couldn't help me. And this was CS4 suite. I ended up having to purchase a new suite because Adobe customer service SUCKED!!!!!
I used their online chat to fix the same problem I had with Photoshop Elements. Had it fixed in 5 minutes.
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I could easily switch to lightroom, but if everyone does that to avoid the cloud, dont you think they will end up adding it solely into the cloud?
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I could easily switch to lightroom, but if everyone does that to avoid the cloud, dont you think they will end up adding it solely into the cloud?
I think the result will be similar to that of trying to quash Getty's and iStocks's antics. A few people will refuse to go along but no where enough to make a real difference to policy. I suspect there are analysts who do the math on programs such as this and give a company a good idea of what sort of resistance they will meet up against. The fact is, for most of us, Photoshop was way good enough a long time ago. I'm sure if they could crowd source their code they'd do that too.
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For most people, this will only be an issue when either ACC or one of the other programs introduces a must-have feature. Otherwise, we'd stay with whatever version of PS we currently have, at least until Adobe play really mean and won't let us register our existing software if we change computers.
I was having this conversation with my wife yesterday. Last time I tried this it didn't work. I deactivated my license, got a new computer and it wouldn't accept my license. So I called Adobe and all I got was an Indian from India who in broken English told me he couldn't help me. And this was CS4 suite. I ended up having to purchase a new suite because Adobe customer service SUCKED!!!!!
I used their online chat to fix the same problem I had with Photoshop Elements. Had it fixed in 5 minutes.
Thanks for that. Good to know.
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I could easily switch to lightroom, but if everyone does that to avoid the cloud, dont you think they will end up adding it solely into the cloud?
Yes, and I do a lot of cloining/compositing, so it wouldn't be much good for me.
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petition:
[url]http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model[/url] ([url]http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model[/url])
The petition has gone viral. After signing, I got an email asking me to post a link on my FB. Maybe this will get some attention.
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I'm hoping it'll turn out to be another of those situations we see so often these days. A company thinks of an idea that'll be brilliant for them, then throws it out there to see how much of a backlash there'll be before they decide whether or how to adjust the offering.
I have to say I was initially perfectly happy with the idea and was ready to sign up. I upgrade regularly anyway (just PS and LR), and the price seems on a par with upgrade cost, so that wasn't an issue. But THEN I was told that if for some reason someone had to stop payment (long term illness/injury etc), they would lose the ability to use the software. That's totally unacceptable to me as they would have already paid a fair price for it and should have the right to keep using it.
So it looks as though I'll be on CS6 for the foreseeable future - unless they change the deal, and will sign any petition that is gathering significant momentum.
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I can understand not wanting to pay the extra money, but I don't really get the opposition to the concept of the subscription. I own a boxed version of CS2 that won't run on my current computer, and I also own a boxed version of CS4 that won't open a large percentage of files on my machine. The shelf life of these programs isn't indefinite, so I don't really see the difference in renting them other than the price tag.
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I can understand not wanting to pay the extra money, but I don't really get the opposition to the concept of the subscription. I own a boxed version of CS2 that won't run on my current computer, and I also own a boxed version of CS4 that won't open a large percentage of files on my machine. The shelf life of these programs isn't indefinite, so I don't really see the difference in renting them other than the price tag.
I think there's a huge difference between owning and renting. I've been using the original CS version for 10 years now and it is more than enough for my simple needs of post-processing photos. I have absolutely no plans to upgrade my PC to Windows 8 (from XP) because then I'd also have to upgrade PS and lots of other issues too.
Also, I don't want to have to re-learn how to use the software (or alter my workflow) every time that Adobe chooses to 'improve' the software that I would be renting. I've had more than enough of that from Microsoft. As far as I'm concerned all operating systems since XP have been less intuitive than the previous version that they have replaced and/or XP. My laptop just got forcibly updated to IE10 and I hate it __ it's so much harder to use than IE8. These software developers just can't leave good design alone. I'm sure if they designed cars instead they'd have become virtually undriveable by now.
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I think there's a huge difference between owning and renting. I've been using the original CS version for 10 years now and it is more than enough for my simple needs of post-processing photos. I have absolutely no plans to upgrade my PC to Windows 8 (from XP) because then I'd also have to upgrade PS and lots of other issues too.
Also, I don't want to have to re-learn how to use the software (or alter my workflow) every time that Adobe chooses to 'improve' the software that I would be renting. I've had more than enough of that from Microsoft. As far as I'm concerned all operating systems since XP have been less intuitive than the previous version that they have replaced and/or XP. My laptop just got forcibly updated to IE10 and I hate it __ it's so much harder to use than IE8. These software developers just can't leave good design alone. I'm sure if they designed cars instead they'd have become virtually undriveable by now.
So, you don't like it because you weren't going to buy it anyway?
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I can understand not wanting to pay the extra money, but I don't really get the opposition to the concept of the subscription. I own a boxed version of CS2 that won't run on my current computer, and I also own a boxed version of CS4 that won't open a large percentage of files on my machine. The shelf life of these programs isn't indefinite, so I don't really see the difference in renting them other than the price tag.
I think there's a huge difference between owning and renting. I've been using the original CS version for 10 years now and it is more than enough for my simple needs of post-processing photos. I have absolutely no plans to upgrade my PC to Windows 8 (from XP) because then I'd also have to upgrade PS and lots of other issues too.
Also, I don't want to have to re-learn how to use the software (or alter my workflow) every time that Adobe chooses to 'improve' the software that I would be renting. I've had more than enough of that from Microsoft. As far as I'm concerned all operating systems since XP have been less intuitive than the previous version that they have replaced and/or XP. My laptop just got forcibly updated to IE10 and I hate it __ it's so much harder to use than IE8. These software developers just can't leave good design alone. I'm sure if they designed cars instead they'd have become virtually undriveable by now.
Old School. ;D
I do have to agree ... it seems the entire corporate world has gone to lease agreements. Ownership is for only the most wealthy -- and many of them RENT.
Cars, houses, boats, SOFTWARE.
I want to make my own decisions about when to upgrade.
>:( >:( >:( >:(
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I want to make my own decisions about when to upgrade.
Clearly people like you and I, and even more like gostwyk, are no use to Adobe or MS. Maybe there are too many of us who don't need to upgrade with every new tweak.
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Pixelmator has been very reactive to the new…
Pixelmator 2.2 is out with a lot of improvements
http://www.pixelmator.com (http://www.pixelmator.com)
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Does anyone know what happens to the third party plug-ins such as Nik software when PS is subscribed?
works fine
bought nik color efex last year but saw the new price from google a few weeks back for the whole pack and couldnt resist :D
licences can be on mac and pcs or combination
http://forums.adobe.com/message/4379859#4379859#4379859?tstart=0http: (http://forums.adobe.com/message/4379859#4379859#4379859?tstart=0http:)
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I can understand not wanting to pay the extra money, but I don't really get the opposition to the concept of the subscription. I own a boxed version of CS2 that won't run on my current computer, and I also own a boxed version of CS4 that won't open a large percentage of files on my machine. The shelf life of these programs isn't indefinite, so I don't really see the difference in renting them other than the price tag.
I think there's a huge difference between owning and renting. I've been using the original CS version for 10 years now and it is more than enough for my simple needs of post-processing photos. I have absolutely no plans to upgrade my PC to Windows 8 (from XP) because then I'd also have to upgrade PS and lots of other issues too.
Also, I don't want to have to re-learn how to use the software (or alter my workflow) every time that Adobe chooses to 'improve' the software that I would be renting. I've had more than enough of that from Microsoft. As far as I'm concerned all operating systems since XP have been less intuitive than the previous version that they have replaced and/or XP. My laptop just got forcibly updated to IE10 and I hate it __ it's so much harder to use than IE8. These software developers just can't leave good design alone. I'm sure if they designed cars instead they'd have become virtually undriveable by now.
If you cant keep up with changing technology, You'll be a dinosaur before you know it.
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I can understand not wanting to pay the extra money, but I don't really get the opposition to the concept of the subscription. I own a boxed version of CS2 that won't run on my current computer, and I also own a boxed version of CS4 that won't open a large percentage of files on my machine. The shelf life of these programs isn't indefinite, so I don't really see the difference in renting them other than the price tag.
I think there's a huge difference between owning and renting. I've been using the original CS version for 10 years now and it is more than enough for my simple needs of post-processing photos. I have absolutely no plans to upgrade my PC to Windows 8 (from XP) because then I'd also have to upgrade PS and lots of other issues too.
Also, I don't want to have to re-learn how to use the software (or alter my workflow) every time that Adobe chooses to 'improve' the software that I would be renting. I've had more than enough of that from Microsoft. As far as I'm concerned all operating systems since XP have been less intuitive than the previous version that they have replaced and/or XP. My laptop just got forcibly updated to IE10 and I hate it __ it's so much harder to use than IE8. These software developers just can't leave good design alone. I'm sure if they designed cars instead they'd have become virtually undriveable by now.
If you cant keep up with changing technology, You'll be a dinosaur before you know it.
I don't think it has much to do with keeping up with technology at all. There were minimal changes between CS4, CS5 and CS5.5. I have also used the trial version of Photoshop CS6 and there just wasn't that much new and exciting that I needed to actually purchase it. I can still do the same work I did before, with CS5, without spending any more money. This is all about a large company that wants to make even more profits than they already do.
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Keeping up with technology.
Does that mean rent technology?
Has "purchasing" technology become a Dinosaur?
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keeping up?!!! why should we continue to learn new things cos some designer has to make new features to justify his/her job?
these ppl aren't even working in our industry, they are designing stuff they don't actually use themselves, but rather designing things to make photoshop appear more impressive. Every time Apple makes a change to iTunes or the iPhone anyone over 30 groans. Why do we have to keep learning all this rubbish when we only need 25% of the functions? And they go and move those functions around to make it look like they are innovating. It will get worse as now they'll have to justify this new system and roll out updates and changes all the time, rather than with each upgrade. And think about the neverending tutorials we'll have to endure with each tweak. ugh, looks like Adobe employees just saved their jobs.
We aren't fooled and we aren't impressed, just annoyed. It will actually interfere with my work I reckon. Not to be mean to those who love all the new features, but I just want to get my work done.
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Adobe has announced they are CONSIDERING a photography only type subscription
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I know that this is a microstock PHOTOGRAPHY forum, but what I haven't heard a lot of here is that this is the whole suite, not just Photoshop.
I have CS6 and use Photoshop, Dreamweaver, Premiere Pro, After Effects, Encore, Illustrator, Media Encoder and am starting to use Audition. I'll also dive into SpeedGrade once I have a bit of free time.
I think that Adobe is looking at the people that use more than one of their products. They know that Photoshop CS3 or 4 is more than enough for photographers that don't use Lightroom.
Personally, I've found that each new release of most of their software has at least one feature that I don't know how I lived without. The CC makes sense for me, but I feel for those of you that don't like the idea.
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Personally, I couldn't do business without using 4 or 5 of the core Adobe apps every day so for me this makes a lot of sense. I subscribed 7 months ago and I'm absolutely loving it. New features and fixes added to Illustrator in real time? Yes please! I also really enjoy getting to use the new products under development particularly the new web/mobile development tools. I think if you are using a technology professionally it really pays to be keeping up with current tools and best practices.
At first I was very wary of the idea of "renting" software, but my experience so far has changed my mind. This model definitely has an audience that it makes sense for, but I do think they should be offering some more flexible option for people who don't want the latest and greatest or an ongoing cost.
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@ Gillan, Warren, CDlapper, I wasnt refering to renting, but sticking to old software because you dont want to learn to use the latest versions.
Keeping up with technology. People are afraid of change or dont want to change their habits, and in the end start loosing the edge on people that do embrace change and new technologies.
Vote my post down all you want, but you know its true.
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Personally, I couldn't do business without using 4 or 5 of the core Adobe apps every day so for me this makes a lot of sense. I subscribed 7 months ago and I'm absolutely loving it. New features and fixes added to Illustrator in real time? Yes please! I also really enjoy getting to use the new products under development particularly the new web/mobile development tools. I think if you are using a technology professionally it really pays to be keeping up with current tools and best practices.
At first I was very wary of the idea of "renting" software, but my experience so far has changed my mind. This model definitely has an audience that it makes sense for, but I do think they should be offering some more flexible option for people who don't want the latest and greatest or an ongoing cost.
I wouldnt mind renting either, but the price is too steep for me. If I checked correctly, CS6 alone will cost me 37 euro a month. Too dear. If it would cost me 20 euros or dollars a month, I wouldnt have a single doubt and subscribe.
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Personally, I couldn't do business without using 4 or 5 of the core Adobe apps every day so for me this makes a lot of sense. I subscribed 7 months ago and I'm absolutely loving it. New features and fixes added to Illustrator in real time? Yes please! I also really enjoy getting to use the new products under development particularly the new web/mobile development tools. I think if you are using a technology professionally it really pays to be keeping up with current tools and best practices.
At first I was very wary of the idea of "renting" software, but my experience so far has changed my mind. This model definitely has an audience that it makes sense for, but I do think they should be offering some more flexible option for people who don't want the latest and greatest or an ongoing cost.
I wouldnt mind renting either, but the price is too steep for me. If I checked correctly, CS6 alone will cost me 37 euro a month. Too dear. If it would cost me 20 euros or dollars a month, I wouldnt have a single doubt and subscribe.
yep I only have it because of academic version, no way i'd pay for non-academic when I dont use a quarter of the software
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@ Gillan, Warren, CDlapper, I wasnt refering to renting, but sticking to old software because you dont want to learn to use the latest versions.
Keeping up with technology. People are afraid of change or dont want to change their habits, and in the end start loosing the edge on people that do embrace change and new technologies.
Vote my post down all you want, but you know its true.
I'm not sure what there is in PS CS5 that I actually use for stock that wasn't in CS2, for example. I upgraded because of a camera change. 5.5 came out and the changes were mostly for output for mobile devices; useful no doubt for those working in that field, but no for stock. Haven't seen anything in CS6 that would either improve my end product or make my workflow easier.
Anyway, the real idiot thing is that having bought the Suite, they apparently won't let me upgrade PS on its own. Way to alienate buyers. That's like a shop saying, "You bought a three piece suit last time. You can't buy a new waistcoat on its own."
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for stock photography, CS6 will be good even 10 yrs from now.
cant' see any reason to upgrade anytime soon, also considering LR is my workhorse and PS is used seldom.
as for LR, i don't think i need anything else than LR4 actually, what they should improve is the library and a few other things but so far so good.
i can easily stick to this setup for the next 3-4 yrs.
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Personally, I couldn't do business without using 4 or 5 of the core Adobe apps every day so for me this makes a lot of sense. I subscribed 7 months ago and I'm absolutely loving it. New features and fixes added to Illustrator in real time? Yes please! I also really enjoy getting to use the new products under development particularly the new web/mobile development tools. I think if you are using a technology professionally it really pays to be keeping up with current tools and best practices.
At first I was very wary of the idea of "renting" software, but my experience so far has changed my mind. This model definitely has an audience that it makes sense for, but I do think they should be offering some more flexible option for people who don't want the latest and greatest or an ongoing cost.
I wouldnt mind renting either, but the price is too steep for me. If I checked correctly, CS6 alone will cost me 37 euro a month. Too dear. If it would cost me 20 euros or dollars a month, I wouldnt have a single doubt and subscribe.
For PS only subscription:
- If you rent only PS, it would cost 25 Euro per Month (yearly subscription, billed monthly).
- If you have a VAT ID (UmsatzsteuerID in Germany), it's actually 19,99 per month, because VAT will not be charged from your credit card.
- If you want the monthly subscription (which really makes no sense to me) it's the 37 Euros.
- If you already have CS3 or newer, you'll get it for 12 Euros (10 without VAT) for the first year.
Those CC prices can be a bit confusing at first, so many options :D
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If there was a real functioning market, the answer to all of this would be a cheaper alternative on linux or andriod (no, gimp isn't an alternative) maybe even micro payment stuff like many other apps, to squeeze . out of adobe. They deserve it, ppl only think photoshop is great because there's nothing around to compete with it, if you take a step back it's actually a pretty poorly written software... getting slower and slower while processing power keeps doubling, and hey, no preview in cs6? what?? what a joke...
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Adobe has announced they are CONSIDERING a photography only type subscription
There already is: $19 USD
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Personally, I couldn't do business without using 4 or 5 of the core Adobe apps every day so for me this makes a lot of sense. I subscribed 7 months ago and I'm absolutely loving it. New features and fixes added to Illustrator in real time? Yes please! I also really enjoy getting to use the new products under development particularly the new web/mobile development tools. I think if you are using a technology professionally it really pays to be keeping up with current tools and best practices.
At first I was very wary of the idea of "renting" software, but my experience so far has changed my mind. This model definitely has an audience that it makes sense for, but I do think they should be offering some more flexible option for people who don't want the latest and greatest or an ongoing cost.
I wouldnt mind renting either, but the price is too steep for me. If I checked correctly, CS6 alone will cost me 37 euro a month. Too dear. If it would cost me 20 euros or dollars a month, I wouldnt have a single doubt and subscribe.
I think you are just afraid of change and are intimidated by having to learn the new technology. ;D
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If there was a real functioning market, the answer to all of this would be a cheaper alternative on linux or andriod (no, gimp isn't an alternative) maybe even micro payment stuff like many other apps, to squeeze . out of adobe. They deserve it, ppl only think photoshop is great because there's nothing around to compete with it, if you take a step back it's actually a pretty poorly written software... getting slower and slower while processing power keeps doubling, and hey, no preview in cs6? what?? what a joke...
the whole computer graphics market is monopolized by the usual 4-5 major software houses, they started 30 yrs ago and they invested billions in R&D and now each one of their products uses dozens of their patents.
these CGI algorithms are very very complex, you need expensive software engineers specialized in CGI just to make a moderately complex PS plugin, it's going to be impossible and not business worthy to even dream about a "PS clone" especially because of Adobe's patents.
cr-ap like GIMP and Corel Photopaint have been around for more than 10 yrs and they've their niche market but that's their place and that's where they're going to stay.
only a clone of LR is possible as it's basically a stripped down version of PS with integrated library and Raw stuff, i've seen a few LR alternative in action and they're not too bad :
- Darktable
- Raw Therapee
- Corel AfterShot Pro
PhotoDirector also looks like a better product than Acdsee Pro for generic photo management and poorman's DAM, i'm going to try it out now.
http://www.cyberlink.com/products/photodirector-ultra/features_en_US.html (http://www.cyberlink.com/products/photodirector-ultra/features_en_US.html)
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cr-ap like GIMP and Corel Photopaint have been around for more than 10 yrs and they've their niche market but that's their place and that's where they're going to stay.
only a clone of LR is possible as it's basically a stripped down version of PS with integrated library and Raw stuff, i've seen a few LR alternative in action and they're not too bad :
- Darktable
- Raw Therapee
- Corel AfterShot Pro
Most people I know now use Lightoom for most of what they do - mostly as a better version of ACR plus the library functions. Many people I know have also been using Lightoom in conjunction with third party external tools such as those from Nik - though I see the use of Nik and other externals declining as arguably better third party Lightroom integrated presets have been launched (e.g. from VSCO which come complete with their own alternative curves and camera profiles). I could probably fairly easily switch to Aperture (or perhaps even Darktable at some point later) if Adobe made Lightroom less attractive.
So with Lightoom as the base, what do you actually need from Photoshop or a Photoshop clone ? For me it's curves, layers, masking with variable brushes, levels and gaussian blur. Plus I need to be able to check the levels after a file is written to JPEG and that the colors are within gamut. Everything else I can do within Lightroom. Some of that I can already do within Lightroom but prefer to do in PS.
So CS3 is fine for me still. And if there comes a time when my copy will no longer run under some future OS version then I would definitely consider GIMP. Especially since GIMP is on the verge of fully supporting 16 bit color and now exists in fully native Mac, Linux and Windows versions. There is not so much I need it to do anyhow.
Down the road we will all be on tablets anyhow. The whole model is going to change and the cloud is going to be an important and useful part of that.
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cr-ap like GIMP and Corel Photopaint have been around for more than 10 yrs and they've their niche market but that's their place and that's where they're going to stay.
only a clone of LR is possible as it's basically a stripped down version of PS with integrated library and Raw stuff, i've seen a few LR alternative in action and they're not too bad :
- Darktable
- Raw Therapee
- Corel AfterShot Pro
Most people I know now use Lightoom for most of what they do - mostly as a better version of ACR plus the library functions. Many people I know have also been using Lightoom in conjunction with third party external tools such as those from Nik - though I see the use of Nik and other externals declining as arguably better third party Lightroom integrated presets have been launched (e.g. from VSCO which come complete with their own alternative curves and camera profiles). I could probably fairly easily switch to Aperture (or perhaps even Darktable at some point later) if Adobe made Lightroom less attractive.
So with Lightoom as the base, what do you actually need from Photoshop or a Photoshop clone ? For me it's curves, layers, masking with variable brushes, levels and gaussian blur. Plus I need to be able to check the levels after a file is written to JPEG and that the colors are within gamut. Everything else I can do within Lightroom. Some of that I can already do within Lightroom but prefer to do in PS.
So CS3 is fine for me still. And if there comes a time when my copy will no longer run under some future OS version then I would definitely consider GIMP. Especially since GIMP is on the verge of fully supporting 16 bit color and now exists in fully native Mac, Linux and Windows versions. There is not so much I need it to do anyhow.
Down the road we will all be on tablets anyhow. The whole model is going to change and the cloud is going to be an important and useful part of that.
Excellent Point.
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"Down the road we will all be on tablets anyhow."
Does that mean that the reviewers will use tablets to review files? Yikes!
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Signed it and shared it. 8)
petition:
[url]http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model[/url] ([url]http://www.change.org/petitions/adobe-systems-incorporated-eliminate-the-mandatory-creative-cloud-subscription-model[/url])
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"Down the road we will all be on tablets anyhow."
Does that mean that the reviewers will use tablets to review files? Yikes!
Why yikes ? The iPads have excellent IPS retina panels in them and many of the best Android tablets are also IPS.
Personally I am looking forward to the day when I can do it all on a tablet. Currently the main issue is that they do not have enough local storage ( -- Lightroom type apps need local storage because it will be a long while before typical internet connections are going to be fast enough for it to be practical for photographers to quickly upload to the cloud, say, several days worth of pictures - especially when on the road).
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A lot of places where I photograph have no cellphone/internet availability. Even two miles from home.
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A lot of places where I photograph have no cellphone/internet availability. Even two miles from home.
Same for everyone.
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A lot of places where I photograph have no cellphone/internet availability. Even two miles from home.
Same for everyone.
Really? I thought most microstockers shoot in studios in towns. :o
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I am not sure if image processing will ever be done on tablets.
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I am not sure if image processing will ever be done on tablets.
I sure cant imagine image processing on a tablet. I love my ipad, and the retina display is great, but the screen is just too small. And i would need to be able to connect a mouse or wacom. By the time you do all that, well, you might as well use a computer.
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I sure cant imagine image processing on a tablet. I love my ipad, and the retina display is great, but the screen is just too small. And i would need to be able to connect a mouse or wacom. By the time you do all that, well, you might as well use a computer.
Well you could always use a stylus. Also - most photographic stuff is broad brush - it tends to be about areas of the image - approximately rather than being pixel specific. That's certainly very much how Aperture, Lightroom and most of the Nik stuff is. And that's very like how it was back in the darkroom when we were using our hands - plus dodging and burning tools and bits of card etc.
(Also check out the Adobe Mighty stylus and Napoleon ruler which they were demonstrating this week).
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"Also - most photographic stuff is broad brush - it tends to be about areas of the image - approximately rather than being pixel specific."
You must not have ever submitted an isolation to iStock.
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You must not have ever submitted an isolation to iStock.
I tend to see that sort of thing as being more in the realm of designers, rather than photographers. Sure those sorts of people are going to be desk-bound long after most people have switched to tablets. I did write "most" - and most photographers are not doing isolations. Which is why tools like Lightroom are not pixel specific for the user - and in many ways increasingly mimic analog processes.
BTW - not that it matters, but why on earth would my previous comment get voted down ? I can understand a post getting voted down if it is nasty, ignorant or rude - but not if someone simply disagrees with an otherwise friendly opinion.
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BTW - not that it matters, but why on earth would my previous comment get voted down ? I can understand a post getting voted down if it is nasty, ignorant or rude - but not if someone simply disagrees with an otherwise friendly opinion.
Because they disagree?
Why does everyone care who votes what up or down? I never even look at that.
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BTW - not that it matters, but why on earth would my previous comment get voted down ? I can understand a post getting voted down if it is nasty, ignorant or rude - but not if someone simply disagrees with an otherwise friendly opinion.
Sorry, my mistake. I changed it.
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cr-ap like GIMP and Corel Photopaint have been around for more than 10 yrs and they've their niche market but that's their place and that's where they're going to stay.
only a clone of LR is possible as it's basically a stripped down version of PS with integrated library and Raw stuff, i've seen a few LR alternative in action and they're not too bad :
- Darktable
- Raw Therapee
- Corel AfterShot Pro
Most people I know now use Lightoom for most of what they do - mostly as a better version of ACR plus the library functions. Many people I know have also been using Lightoom in conjunction with third party external tools such as those from Nik - though I see the use of Nik and other externals declining as arguably better third party Lightroom integrated presets have been launched (e.g. from VSCO which come complete with their own alternative curves and camera profiles). I could probably fairly easily switch to Aperture (or perhaps even Darktable at some point later) if Adobe made Lightroom less attractive.
So with Lightoom as the base, what do you actually need from Photoshop or a Photoshop clone ? For me it's curves, layers, masking with variable brushes, levels and gaussian blur. Plus I need to be able to check the levels after a file is written to JPEG and that the colors are within gamut. Everything else I can do within Lightroom. Some of that I can already do within Lightroom but prefer to do in PS.
So CS3 is fine for me still. And if there comes a time when my copy will no longer run under some future OS version then I would definitely consider GIMP. Especially since GIMP is on the verge of fully supporting 16 bit color and now exists in fully native Mac, Linux and Windows versions. There is not so much I need it to do anyhow.
Down the road we will all be on tablets anyhow. The whole model is going to change and the cloud is going to be an important and useful part of that.
Excellent Point.
I wrote two words and got a minus -1.
Is this something personal?
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(Also check out the Adobe Mighty stylus and Napoleon ruler which they were demonstrating this week).
Here's a video for those of you that haven't seen it... Very cool!
Adobe Mighty and Napoleon (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULKXTKZor3A#ws)
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Personally, I am not "afraid" of new technology at all. But I also have learned the difference between what is necessary to do my job and make money, vs. the need to be on the cutting edge of everything all the time (bragging rights).
When I was doing photography as a hobby, I always had to have the newest and greatest. Once it became a job, purchases have to justify themselves financially.
Bottom line for me is that the changes between Photoshop CS4 and CS6 are negligible. I am interested to try the content aware fill as a cool gadget, but if you are shooting stock and doing a good job of it, you don't really need a whole lot of editing. The basics of good lighting, composition, and concept are still what sells photos. Buyers don't care what software you are editing in, nor really even what camera you use, as long as there is enough resolution for their purposes.
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a good read
http://guytal.com/wordpress/2013/05/10/adobe-creative-cloud-a-photographers-perspective/ (http://guytal.com/wordpress/2013/05/10/adobe-creative-cloud-a-photographers-perspective/)
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Personally, I am not "afraid" of new technology at all. But I also have learned the difference between what is necessary to do my job and make money, vs. the need to be on the cutting edge of everything all the time (bragging rights).
Yes I don't appreciate being told I'm "afraid" of change. I'm not afraid of technology, but I use it to suit me, rather than have it dictate how and when I must change my systems.
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I think you are all taking my comment out of context, it was a reply to a certain comment, it had little to do with adobe's creative cloud. It was about holding on to old software because you dont like how the new software is working. Things change, the way we work change. Its like saying I dont want to use a digital camera and keep shooting film. If you do that you loose the edge over some who does embrace change.
And Gillian, I never told you, you were afraid of change, this is now the second time I have to explain that.
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I wouldn't worry too much about what anyone else does in terms of software. Just worry about what you do and let other people do their thing. Less stress all round.
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"Down the road we will all be on tablets anyhow."
Does that mean that the reviewers will use tablets to review files? Yikes!
Based on the ever increasing number of rejections, it seems that many reviewers are already using tablets or even smartphones.
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Can't see whats wrong with tablets.
There are already tablets with Windows 8, Intel i5 processors, good displays and enough ram.
On the go you can work on the tablet and at home you would just need a docking station. Plug it in and your ready to go on your 100inch Eizo display with keyboard, mouse and graphics tablet. Maybe in a few years, the tablet will even replace your wacom tablet and manage to show a copy of the image on it.
Even though i am using a Desktop at the moment, i believe that this will be the future.
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Can't see whats wrong with tablets.
There are already tablets with Windows 8, Intel i5 processors, good displays and enough ram.
On the go you can work on the tablet and at home you would just need a docking station. Plug it in and your ready to go on your 100inch Eizo display with keyboard, mouse and graphics tablet. Maybe in a few years, the tablet will even replace your wacom tablet and manage to show a copy of the image on it.
Even though i am using a Desktop at the moment, i believe that this will be the future.
Its also about size, people buy ever bigger monitors to see what they are doing. The difference between fitting everything on an 10 inch screen or 19 inch is a fair bit.
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Its like saying I dont want to use a digital camera and keep shooting film. If you do that you loose the edge over some who does embrace change.
I've heard of a few big name pros who still shoot only film for their important jobs, but use digital for their own photos or for quick and (relatively) cheap jobs.
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Its like saying I dont want to use a digital camera and keep shooting film. If you do that you loose the edge over some who does embrace change.
I've heard of a few big name pros who still shoot only film for their important jobs, but use digital for their own photos or for quick and (relatively) cheap jobs.
Thats fine, but the one who does it digital has the edge on cost, can offer a lower quote and could get the job over someone who shoots film
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As has been said above, Adobe haven't been able to come up with anything new which is of real importance to most photographers for quite a while.
Once they get everyone on the cloud, what's their incentive to keep innovating? (and as has been suggested, what more could they do? A lot of their more recent inventions have been fun, but don't cut it for stock.)
Obvious parallels with the UK ISA (tax free savings) system. A few years back, they introduced a CAT scheme, whereby if you took out a CAT ISA, you paid a fixed fee which you knew in advance.
My ISA is not CAT. My stockbroker gets a fixed fee plus a percentage of what he makes me. Thus he has an incentive to actually work for me, whereas of my friends who have CAT ISAs, al of them say the investements just sit there and never get sold or bought unless they add new money; most of them have performed badly, all of them well below my non-CAT ISA. So far.
I really think Adobe realise they've reached the end, particularly with Photoshop, I'm sure there will be lots of new things DW will be doing as the web develops.
Also, I've literally just started playing with Illustrator this week, i.e. I'm looking at some pre-101 tutorials. I can't get over how they all recommend a certain suite of plug-ins. On the iStock vector forum, part of the suite is listed as a 'no brainer' plug-in, and indeed ignorant as I am, I did think, "Why on earth isn't this in Illustrator, which costs a fortune!" As it has been around for several years, and several iterations of Illustrator, I can only imagine Adobe is in cahouts with the plug-in developer not to introduce a similar technology directly into Illustrator.
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Can't see whats wrong with tablets.
There are already tablets with Windows 8, Intel i5 processors, good displays and enough ram.
On the go you can work on the tablet and at home you would just need a docking station. Plug it in and your ready to go on your 100inch Eizo display with keyboard, mouse and graphics tablet. Maybe in a few years, the tablet will even replace your wacom tablet and manage to show a copy of the image on it.
Even though i am using a Desktop at the moment, i believe that this will be the future.
So then you aren't really working on a tablet. I can see the scenario you are describing as feasible...but there is no way I would process images totally on an ipad. I can't see that ever happening, for me anyway.
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fully agree that once your images have already a decent exposure and color and framing you dont really need much from a software like LR.
i mean at least if we talk about travel images i never felt the need for overphotoshopping.
i keep hearing people talking about spots, no idea but maybe they should better clean their lenses, or maybe switch to Nikon ?
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Adobe has announced they are CONSIDERING a photography only type subscription
There already is: $19 USD
At the moment that's correct, but that's not quite what I meant....
http://petapixel.com/2013/05/07/adobe-thinking-about-a-creative-cloud-bundle-geared-toward-photographers/ (http://petapixel.com/2013/05/07/adobe-thinking-about-a-creative-cloud-bundle-geared-toward-photographers/)
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tablet : personally i'm completely against tablets and smartphones too, i agree they're useful for a few mundane tasks but where do they fit into professional photo editing ? how can you do pixel perfect correction using touch screens ? it's a fad but unfortunately there's plenty of tablets fanatics and lunatics, they bought a tablets and now they're hellbent into finding a problem that can be solved using their tablets ... yes .. a solution waiting for a problem .. and i'm not alone thinking this way, Bill Gates, the Acer's CEO, and many others never bet a dime on tablets, nobody really can explain the booming success of the iPad, people will really buy anything as long as there's an apple logo on it .. appletards !!
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talking about spots, no idea but maybe they should better clean their lenses, or maybe switch to Nikon ?
Sensor spots, and a switch would be financially rather drastic.
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Adobe has announced they are CONSIDERING a photography only type subscription
There already is: $19 USD
At the moment that's correct, but that's not quite what I meant....
[url]http://petapixel.com/2013/05/07/adobe-thinking-about-a-creative-cloud-bundle-geared-toward-photographers/[/url] ([url]http://petapixel.com/2013/05/07/adobe-thinking-about-a-creative-cloud-bundle-geared-toward-photographers/[/url])
CONSIDERING sounds good. $19 sounds okay. Then, what happens when it jumps to $50? You have no software and really very little choice. You've been sucked in. :o ;D
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tablet : personally i'm completely against tablets and smartphones too, i agree they're useful for a few mundane tasks but where do they fit into professional photo editing ? how can you do pixel perfect correction using touch screens ? it's a fad but unfortunately there's plenty of tablets fanatics and lunatics, they bought a tablets and now they're hellbent into finding a problem that can be solved using their tablets ... yes .. a solution waiting for a problem .. and i'm not alone thinking this way, Bill Gates, the Acer's CEO, and many others never bet a dime on tablets, nobody really can explain the booming success of the iPad, people will really buy anything as long as there's an apple logo on it .. appletards !!
Smart devices aren't a fad, and they aren't going away. I don't think they'll replace the desktop for most professionals, but they are here to stay.
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. and i'm not alone thinking this way, Bill Gates, the Acer's CEO, and many others never bet a dime on tablets, nobody really can explain the booming success of the iPad, people will really buy anything as long as there's an apple logo on it .. appletards !!
Ha ha. Wrong:
Bill Gates announced the MS tablet PC at Comdex in 2000 and was hugely evangelistic about tablet PCs for much of the first half of the last decade - long before Apple ever let on that they had also been secretly working on their own tablet designs.
The problem for Microsoft was that they failed to develop a design which solved the inherent interface issues - nor a business model around which to encourage manufacturers to develop tablet PCs. Microsoft did what they have done so many times before and since - which was to try to apply Windows as the solution to whatever the problem was they were trying to solve.
Gates Wows Comdex Crowd With Tablet PC (http://www.pcworld.com/article/34751/article.html) - November 2000
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Is there a better forum somewhere for that discussion? Maybe one with a title like: 'In ten years I'll be right and you'll be wrong. Bwahahahaaaaaa'.
Jeez. Just use what works for you. Move with the times if you want to or have to, don't if you don't. Who cares?
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CONSIDERING sounds good. $19 sounds okay. Then, what happens when it jumps to $50? You have no software and really very little choice. You've been sucked in. :o ;D
"customer lock-in".
apple is the finest example of that.
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yeah but what Gates had in mind was a device running MS Office with handwriting recognition, sort of Palm Pilot on steroids, minimal touch screen functions, only meant for business.
and in fact he failed to approve the prototype because without keyboard there was no way to write emails etc .. ironically not much later Apple launched the iPad and made billions.
but i rest my case, i see no reason to run complex stuff like LR on a tablet, it's ridicolous, with the new Surface you can run the whole CS6 suite but so what ? yes connect a USB keyboard and a mouse and you've a full fledged laptop but what's the point ?
i've even seen FL Studio (a music DAW) running on iPhone and Ableton Live on a iPad, it's crazy who's going to even find the play button on such a small screen ?
yeah there's pretty much any possible app on sale for smartphones and tablet but it doesnt mean your productivity will increase, only your frustration will.
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Smart devices aren't a fad, and they aren't going away. I don't think they'll replace the desktop for most professionals, but they are here to stay.
tablets are not smart, they're dumbed down laptops without a keyboard, no more no less.
desktops will never die, it's impossible, anything professional is done on desktops and always will.
people will soon get tired by the limitations of smartphones and tablets especially considering they cost almost as much as a cheap laptop.
the MS Surface ugly keyboard is the worst of both worlds but at least they're trying.
and what about oddities like the Asus Transformer ?
really, they already tried it all in the last few years but there's no way out and the latest trend is for tablet to have a smaller screen, say 9" inches so it makes even less sense than now to see tablets as a pocket replacement for laptops.
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Smart devices aren't a fad, and they aren't going away. I don't think they'll replace the desktop for most professionals, but they are here to stay.
tablets are not smart, they're dumbed down laptops without a keyboard, no more no less.
desktops will never die, it's impossible, anything professional is done on desktops and always will.
people will soon get tired by the limitations of smartphones and tablets especially considering they cost almost as much as a cheap laptop.
the MS Surface ugly keyboard is the worst of both worlds but at least they're trying.
and what about oddities like the Asus Transformer ?
really, they already tried it all in the last few years but there's no way out and the latest trend is for tablet to have a smaller screen, say 9" inches so it makes even less sense than now to see tablets as a pocket replacement for laptops.
Desktops are already dying out. The only real advantage is the power they have and soon even smaller devices will have more than enough processing power for us photographers / designers.
For most of the market, laptops have already replaced desktops!
One thing is for sure, that people who wan't to be productive need a large display, but that doesn't mean that you need a large desktop!
I believe that in the end we'll just have a small device with enough power, that we can easily plug into a larger working space, television etc.
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For most of the market, laptops have already replaced desktops!
For 'most of the market', phonecams have already replaced dSLRs!
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It would be nice if we could subscribe to the products we wanted .. pay a little if you only wanted 2 or 3 of the programs and more if you wanted them all.
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It would be nice if we could subscribe to the products we wanted .. pay a little if you only wanted 2 or 3 of the programs and more if you wanted them all.
Exactly. I guess im not opposed to the idea in general, but i will not pay for something i am not even going to use.
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will it also end up like Apple, every time I go into iTunes I have to waste so much time with unwanted updates and whatnot. We can only guess, and I suppose we are all assuming the worst.
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will it also end up like Apple, every time I go into iTunes I have to waste so much time with unwanted updates and whatnot. We can only guess, and I suppose we are all assuming the worst.
of course it will.
it's a public company, they must show growth and profits every quarter to shareholders.
they will be pressured to monetize their subscribers with every possibe upsell, discounts, and promotions, they will flood them with newsletters and last minute deals, and eventually even advertising banners and popups inside PS ! it's the same sh-it seen already in every other SaaS (software as a service) operation.
with the same logic they will launch dumbed down versions of PS for tablets or for HTML5 just to be used as a showcase to lure new subscribers, after all there was already a Javascript mini-PS years ago.
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Desktops are already dying out. The only real advantage is the power they have and soon even smaller devices will have more than enough processing power for us photographers / designers.
For most of the market, laptops have already replaced desktops!
One thing is for sure, that people who wan't to be productive need a large display, but that doesn't mean that you need a large desktop!
I believe that in the end we'll just have a small device with enough power, that we can easily plug into a larger working space, television etc.
the upcoming next gen of Intel CPUs starts at 3.5ghz with 4 and 8 cores and it's been already overclocked to 7Ghz, this is the range of cpu power you can expect to be the entry level in 2-3 yrs from now.
tablets with ARM cpus are going nowhere in terms of raw power for digital photography, the gap between desktops and mobile cr-ap will become bigger, not smaller, especially when editing big photos shot in 24 or 36MP.
and indeed to make a proper photo editing you need a proper monitor and this is the kiss of death for tablets.
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It would be nice if we could subscribe to the products we wanted .. pay a little if you only wanted 2 or 3 of the programs and more if you wanted them all.
or you could strike a deal with your local print shop, say 1$ per hour to use PS or 3-4$ per day ?
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will it also end up like Apple, every time I go into iTunes I have to waste so much time with unwanted updates and whatnot. We can only guess, and I suppose we are all assuming the worst.
of course it will.
it's a public company, they must show growth and profits every quarter to shareholders.
it's the same sh-it seen already in every other SaaS (software as a service) operation.
well that's an exaggeration. I use an online subscription accounting program, no ads or annoying updates. that's cos the accounting world has no clue how the internet works. by comparison, $19.95 for a program like Photoshop Vs accounting software that is rubbish and annoying to use @ $29.95/month.... makes Adobe look v reasonable.
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well that's an exaggeration. I use an online subscription accounting program, no ads or annoying updates. that's cos the accounting world has no clue how the internet works. by comparison, $19.95 for a program like Photoshop Vs accounting software that is rubbish and annoying to use @ $29.95/month.... makes Adobe look v reasonable.
yeah but it's the norm for accounting and financial software to be very expensive, many softwares used for online trading range from 50 to 3-400$ per month.
one of the best (NinjaTrader) is free but then you must pay for the addons and all.
i mean, these softwares are used by traders to make money, it would not make sense to give them away for free or for a small price, they're also quite complex with scriptings and automations.
maybe Adobe is using the same logic : if you're a pro and you make money with the CS Suite you must pay back something, period.
and if you cant, you're just not a pro, and you better stick with MSPaint or whatever.
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Anyone else get a survey request from Adobe? I did (and filled it out) telling them in no uncertain terms how firmly I am not on board with their recent moves. The first screen was something where you promise not to disclose the details of the survey (so I won't).
I would urge anyone who gets the e-mail to complete the survey - perhaps we have their attention and perhaps some good outcome might result if they hear from enough users?
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I would urge anyone who gets the e-mail to complete the survey - perhaps we have their attention and perhaps some good outcome might result if they hear from enough users?
Even me? I'm going to say nice things though.
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I'm still on CS4 and it's fine with me for what I need. I'll upgrade to CS6 in a couple of years when it's nice and cheap and then I'll just use the heck out of that version for the next 10 years. After that, well, I'll figure that out when I get there.
I won't be subscribing to software usage. Just doesn't feel right to me.
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I'm still on CS4 and it's fine with me for what I need. I'll upgrade to CS6 in a couple of years when it's nice and cheap and then I'll just use the heck out of that version for the next 10 years. After that, well, I'll figure that out when I get there.
I won't be subscribing to software usage. Just doesn't feel right to me.
I just tried to install an old cs2 on a new Mac laptop and it wouldn't install saying the new osx won't install programs for power pc for macs which I found ridiculous.
Who knows, in a couple of years, when apple creates another osx, they might make it so that you can't install cs6 on it or some other crap.
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I would urge anyone who gets the e-mail to complete the survey - perhaps we have their attention and perhaps some good outcome might result if they hear from enough users?
Even me? I'm going to say nice things though.
If you've already signed on for CC I'm guessing you won't get the survey, but sure, if you love it and think you always will you should tell them that :)
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Anyone else get a survey request from Adobe? I did (and filled it out) telling them in no uncertain terms how firmly I am not on board with their recent moves. The first screen was something where you promise not to disclose the details of the survey (so I won't).
I would urge anyone who gets the e-mail to complete the survey - perhaps we have their attention and perhaps some good outcome might result if they hear from enough users?
I have not received that survey but if I do, I will say the same thing as you. Been using Adobe products since PS2 (I am sitting here looking at it on a 3.5" floppy that I now use, along with Illustrator 5.5 floppies, as a five sided plant holder) and will not be joining the creative cloud. They are offering a good deal to students now ($19.99 a month) and that is more than reasonable. The regular price is even more than reasonable for all the programs that you get, but a) I won't use all the programs and b) once they get a substantial number of suckers subscribers to opt in, you know darn well the price will continually rise.
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I'm still on CS4 and it's fine with me for what I need. I'll upgrade to CS6 in a couple of years when it's nice and cheap and then I'll just use the heck out of that version for the next 10 years. After that, well, I'll figure that out when I get there.
I won't be subscribing to software usage. Just doesn't feel right to me.
I just tried to install an old cs2 on a new Mac laptop and it wouldn't install saying the new osx won't install programs for power pc for macs which I found ridiculous.
Who knows, in a couple of years, when apple creates another osx, they might make it so that you can't install cs6 on it or some other crap.
That does not surprise me at all, the old power pc macs were based on a IBM chip not a Intel chip, complete different chip instruction set.
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I'm still on CS4 and it's fine with me for what I need. I'll upgrade to CS6 in a couple of years when it's nice and cheap and then I'll just use the heck out of that version for the next 10 years. After that, well, I'll figure that out when I get there.
I won't be subscribing to software usage. Just doesn't feel right to me.
I agree on not subscribing. For my own situation, it does not make economic sense. For others it could well be the way to go. Every situation is unique.
As to CS4, I just went through the exercise of upgrading my computer and went with Windows 7 at the same time. What I found was while I could load and activate CS4, I could not download most of the updates, including the RAW update needed to load 5D II files. So I located CS6 on line for $445 delivered (a disc, I don't like downloaded copies). Got it in 2 days, loaded it, added in all the plug-ins I use and all is well. Now I just need to get used to the new locations of the functions I use the most and learn some of the great and wonderful new functions they've added.
You may not wish to wait too long if you are going to upgrade to CS6. You never know what games Adobe may wish to play in their never ending quest to increase profits at our expense. :'(