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« on: September 06, 2007, 19:31 »
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Hello. I wanted to try some HDR and only have Photoshop 7.

Is Photomatix an add in, or does it stand alone?

Can someone give me some feedback please?


« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2007, 19:35 »
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it is a stand alone application and you can down load a demo at
http://www.hdrsoft.com/

« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2007, 10:23 »
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be careful with it you plan to submit pictures. It can easily create artifact and noise hell....

« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2007, 10:48 »
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I use it and I like it a lot. Sometimes it is really hard to get normally looking results but sometimes it works very nicely.

It is a stand alone application.

I use instead of split neutral density filter in landscapes where the sky is much brighter than the land.

Here is an example:
http://www.istockphoto.com/file_closeup.php?id=3725439

If I remember correctly I took 3 RAW exposures from a tripod (so they will be aligned) and then processed the RAWs in photoshop (so they have the same WB,...). Then I took the jpegs and made one HDR image in photomatix.
It is a lot of work but for this particular image it was worth it since it is my current fastest seller (I uploaded just in time for the pre-autumn sale of autumn pictures).

« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2007, 12:50 »
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i just use photoshop cs2, but not for uploads to any microstock sites altough i know some photographers that do occasionally.

« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2007, 13:57 »
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I only have have Photoshop 7 too, and I use Fred Miranda's  DRI Pro. It's a plug-in, works well and costs a whole lot less than Photmatix.

You can see details here:

http://www.fredmiranda.com/shopping/DRI


« Reply #6 on: September 07, 2007, 14:39 »
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Very nice picture Maco.

« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2007, 14:55 »
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I've use photomatix a bit, and have some quite cool landscapes out of it, but I'll second the comments about artifacting and noise.  The results can be quite noisy, and sometimes have a very 'processed' look.

Looks fine for prints but I'm not sure you'd get many HDR images by reviewers that were created using tone mapping, rather than manually using layers in PS/Gimp.

The results out of photomatix really rely a lot on the input images.  Use Av mode, manual focus, a tripod, set white balance rather than auto, bracket three shots using the camera, mirror lockup if you have it, self timer..   Any trick that will ensure you get sharp input images, with no difference in focus or DOF between the frames.

I did an interior shot of a building for a commercial customer a while ago, used 12 exposures, and I did it using the 20D tethered with EOS Capture so I could adjust the settings between frames without touching the camera... 

It's an interesting aspect of photography, but I'm not sure it will get you much stock..

Subtle ones like Maco's landscape will get through, but many HDR's look quite over processed IMHO, although I do like the look of some of them..

The other really interesting thing about HDR is that some things you look at and think 'Yeah, I'll HDR that' look crap on screen, and other scenes look great, it's often hard to pick in your mind exactly what the HDR result will look like until you try it, and sometimes the results are very other-worldly.

Just my 2c, as always. :-).

« Reply #8 on: September 07, 2007, 16:58 »
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Some people at SP have been posting images processed with HDR, either by using Photomax or something else (PS CS3 has it, hasn't it?)

Anyway, I haven't checked on noise on those images, so I can't comment about that, but most of them have a very strange look though - maybe it's the authors' fault, not working properly with the filter settings.  It's not necessarily a bad look, sometimes it can even look like a painting.  Some have strange halos around the subject.  I have seen however a few very good ones.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #9 on: September 07, 2007, 17:23 »
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Yes I use it quite a bit myself and pretty happy with the results. Does take a bit of practice to get it right.  Also have quite a few images accepted by various agencies (I find that iStock are the most picky when it comes to HDR) and never do shoot in RAW when doing this type of shots.







« Last Edit: September 07, 2007, 17:26 by ozbandit »

« Reply #10 on: September 07, 2007, 19:20 »
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I have tried Photomatix and like it. Recently I have been trying out some other HDR software too and found one that I like. It is DYNAMIC PHOTO HDR by Mediachance. I used the trial which leaves a small watermark on the image. I like it enough to pay the $40 for it except you can only save output after tomemapping in 8 bit mode. I emailed them and asked if there are any plans to allow 16 bit tiff output to be saved and got an answer that I do not understand as far as why it cannot be done. Maybe someone can explain it to me. Photomatix allows you to save 16 bit output images.

Here is the response I got back. I may go ahead and buy it anyway.


The output before tonemapping is saved to HDR file. (that's more than
16 bit) The tonemapping maps to 8 bit.
You cannot tonemap to 16 bit, the whole process is based on the idea to compress high dynamic range into 8 bit - compressing it to 16 bit would simply make the image look more-less like the HDR file before tonemapping.



« Reply #11 on: September 07, 2007, 19:57 »
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to sbonk:

I think what they mean is that no display can snow more that 8bit (as far as I know) so there is no point of doing it.
But printers can take advantage of 16bit so their answer is kind of weird.

Sorry, I am probably not much help.

« Reply #12 on: September 07, 2007, 20:49 »
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One thing I like about Dynamic Photo HDR is that there are tonemapping options that create results that look more like a traditional photo than typical HDR. This does not cause problems getting accepted at any of the sites. But I input multiple 16 bit tiff images and get an 8 bit image out. So further post processing is then done in 8 bit mode when I want 16 bit.

Here are a couple examples. What do you think? With one exposure rather than HDR, the sky is totally blown out if I keep details in the cliffs.





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« Reply #13 on: September 07, 2007, 21:34 »
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You want to have some fun, check out this program.  www.HDRshop.com  This is from the University of Southern California.  Version 1 can be downloaded for free, but you are not allowed to use it for any commercial purposes.  Version 2 is around $400.  From what I've been told, this is the program that's mostly used in the film industry.  Much of their 3D animation requires HDR and at places like Gnoman, they are using this along with their Maya classes.

I asked where they usually got their HDR images and was told they typically make their own as they can rarely find what they need already made up.  So apart from some great looking prints and fine art, there may not be that much demand for HDR in stock ... at least not now.  In the future ... who knows.  If designers go more with 3D type images, the demand may rise.

« Reply #14 on: September 08, 2007, 16:42 »
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ozbandit,

In your examples, you have two images that have that strange halo I referred to: the one of the bridge and the one of the wooden pathway.  And all images look unnatural.  Had I seen them elsewhere, I would think they're computer generated landscapes rather than photos.

Again, this is not necessarily bad, it's just the impression they cause me.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #15 on: September 12, 2007, 15:33 »
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I use HDR quite a lot as well for my pics . I just published a posting on my blog (http://microstockexperiment.blogspot.com/) if it can be helpful
Cheers
Laurent

« Reply #16 on: September 12, 2007, 15:39 »
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Very nice pictures OZ and sbonk.

« Reply #17 on: September 21, 2007, 08:18 »
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One thing I like about Dynamic Photo HDR is that there are tonemapping options that create results that look more like a traditional photo than typical HDR. This does not cause problems getting accepted at any of the sites. But I input multiple 16 bit tiff images and get an 8 bit image out. So further post processing is then done in 8 bit mode when I want 16 bit.

Hi sbonk,

Nice pics! BTW, the latest version of DPHDR (1.65) allows to save also 16bit TIFFs! ;) And there are also two new options in tone mapping - Clarity and Dehaze. I would try the Dehaze option on your cliff shots.


 

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