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« on: March 07, 2009, 20:46 »
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For over 10 years, I have used Microstoft's image editing software.  Originally it was called PictureIt, but the last version that they've made is called Microsoft Digital Image Suite 2006.  They will not be making any new versions so I know that I will eventually have to make the switch, most likely being to Adobe.
 
So, I'm trying to figure out what Adobe program I need.

I do not care about cataloging my pictures.  I already organize them the way I like and I don't need a program to change my system of doing this. 
I do not need a program to keyword my photos.  I already have a program for that.
I do not need a program that I can do "batches" with.  Each picture I edit gets individual attention.

What I DO want is a program that can:
Adjust contrast/brightness
Adjust color (temperature, saturation, etc)
Sharpen/blur
Dodge/burn
Paintbrush/airbrush
Rotate/crop/straighten/flip
Erase elements from the picture (my program lets me just outline something and it makes it disappear)
Clone tool to fix areas of my picture
Blending tool (like the clone tool, but has softer effects)
Make layers and blend them together using a transparency effect
Remove scratches, dust, or red eye
Convert to b&w
Apply various filter effects like diffuse glow, watercolor, canvas, etc.
Cut out parts, copy, skew, distort, etc.

Aside from doing stock, I also like to do some photomanipulation.  For instance, a favorite past time of mine is taking pictures of people at work and blending their faces onto animals.  I'm not a huge photo manipulator, but I like to be able to do it now and then.

SOOOOOO.....which program would best fit my needs?  I don't want to spend $700 on CS4, only to find out that Elements 7 would've worked just fine for me.






« Reply #1 on: March 07, 2009, 21:23 »
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Paint Shop Pro X2 costs US$70. Excellent and seems to have almost everything that PS has.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/software-general/paint-shop-pro-x2/


WarrenPrice

« Reply #2 on: March 07, 2009, 21:28 »
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Why not just stick with what is working?  Do you really need to upgrade?

« Reply #3 on: March 07, 2009, 22:29 »
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Why not just stick with what is working?  Do you really need to upgrade?
As much as I enjoy the program that I am currently using, there are new improvements in the world of editing that are going to leave me needing more.  And since I am going to be buying the Canon 5D Mark II, I felt it would be best if I bought a program that would help me produce the best images possible.

« Reply #4 on: March 07, 2009, 22:31 »
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Paint Shop Pro X2 costs US$70. Excellent and seems to have almost everything that PS has.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/software-general/paint-shop-pro-x2/




Thanks.  I will look into that one.  Is that what you use?  If not, which program do you use for your image editing? 

« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2009, 00:08 »
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SOOOOOO.....which program would best fit my needs?  I don't want to spend $700 on CS4, only to find out that Elements 7 would've worked just fine for me.

If you're on a budget for image software and you don't have the Photoshop CS workflow in your fingers yet, why not try the Open Source (free) package GIMP? Karimala (I think) once mentioned she used it. It's supposed to be equivalent with PS.

You might also try to have a bargain CS2 or CS3. If your PC has 2Gig RAM or less, they're even supposed to work faster. In any case, use XP with PS, not Vista. Vista slows everything down.
« Last Edit: March 08, 2009, 00:10 by FlemishDreams »

« Reply #6 on: March 08, 2009, 01:13 »
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SOOOOOO.....which program would best fit my needs?  I don't want to spend $700 on CS4, only to find out that Elements 7 would've worked just fine for me.

If you're on a budget for image software and you don't have the Photoshop CS workflow in your fingers yet, why not try the Open Source (free) package GIMP? Karimala (I think) once mentioned she used it. It's supposed to be equivalent with PS.

You might also try to have a bargain CS2 or CS3. If your PC has 2Gig RAM or less, they're even supposed to work faster. In any case, use XP with PS, not Vista. Vista slows everything down.
As we speak, I am downloading the trial version of PSE7.  I will give it a try and see how it does.  This is a dreaded step for me because I actually loathe Adobe.  But Microsoft let me down by not keeping up with their program.  Their site says they're now incorporating their image editing software with Vista.  I do not want Vista and can't imagine that their software is going to be good enough if they're including it in the operating system.

« Reply #7 on: March 08, 2009, 03:51 »
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I have used PSE7 for several months and it does everything I want.  There are lots of free plugins that add extras, like this one http://free.pages.at/easyfilter/curves.html

« Reply #8 on: March 08, 2009, 12:22 »
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I would use a LR2 CS4 combo if budget permits, then a LR2 PSE, them PSE by itself using Bridge to convert.

« Reply #9 on: March 08, 2009, 13:31 »
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I would use a LR2 CS4 combo if budget permits, then a LR2 PSE, them PSE by itself using Bridge to convert.
what?  You're saying I need all three?  What does one program do that the others don't?  If I spent $700 on a program, I would expect it to do everything, plus clean the frickin' house.

« Reply #10 on: March 08, 2009, 13:34 »
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I have used PSE7 for several months and it does everything I want.  There are lots of free plugins that add extras, like this one http://free.pages.at/easyfilter/curves.html

Thanks for the link.  I d/l PSE7 last night (30-day version) and tried it out a little before heading for bed.  I also got a disc from a magazine that has video tutorials for some editing to give me an idea of how to use the program.  Boy, their program sure isn't as user friendly as the one I'm used to. 

« Reply #11 on: March 08, 2009, 14:59 »
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There was a short discussion here a while ago about PS and LR. As far as I got it, LR can't do layers but it's good at general things like levels and curves, and metadata. But like you, I don't need metadata and databases since I use Irfanview and my own classification system that works well. For instance, you can't clone in LR I heard, and cloning is kinda vital in stock. My conclusion was that PS did all that LR did, but not vice versa. So, obviously, PS is the tool of choice for many. There are also many tutorials on line since starting from scratch, you will have a very steep learning curve.

PS is so endless rich in features and workflows that I don't think anybody can master it totally and all alone. Everyody seems to have his own style and workflow.

@Sharp: what doesn't Elements have that the full version has?

« Reply #12 on: March 08, 2009, 15:12 »
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LR2 can do cloning. Try out LR2 and you will be amazed. LR is about speed and making adjustments in RAW. As a photogrpaher it will be the most used program. After I bought lightroom I never used irfanview for microstock again. However I could not do without PSE. I almost never miss not having CS4, since I mostly only need to do basic stuff of which PSE is more than sufficient.

« Reply #13 on: March 08, 2009, 15:38 »
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Paint Shop Pro X2 costs US$70. Excellent and seems to have almost everything that PS has.
http://www.microstockgroup.com/software-general/paint-shop-pro-x2/


Thanks.  I will look into that one.  Is that what you use?  If not, which program do you use for your image editing? 


Yes, I have been using PSP for years, first PSP7 and then for the new computer I purchased PSP X2, as it is affordable and much more complete than the old PSP7, whose installation disk I lost.

Regards,
Adelaide

« Reply #14 on: March 08, 2009, 16:11 »
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...@Sharp: what doesn't Elements have that the full version has?
Elements doesn't have the extra cost :)  I used to have Photoshop 5.5 and I haven't found anything that can't be done with elements 7 and a few plugins.  I am sure photoshop experts find elements restrictive but it meets my requirements.

« Reply #15 on: March 08, 2009, 16:46 »
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I would use a LR2 CS4 combo if budget permits, then a LR2 PSE, them PSE by itself using Bridge to convert.
what?  You're saying I need all three?  What does one program do that the others don't?  If I spent $700 on a program, I would expect it to do everything, plus clean the frickin' house.

Sorry I didn't spell it out perfectly. what????????

Use LR2 and CS4 if you have money.
If you have less money.
Use LR2 and PSE
If you less money still
Use PSE and Bridge.

what??????????

« Reply #16 on: March 08, 2009, 17:18 »
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If you less money still
Use PSE and Bridge.

Opinions and workflows may vary. If you have little money, use PS and Irfanview. I don't like to be dependent on the proprietary implementation of IPTC from Adobe. Just as I don't like PDF and Flash and Mov. Open Standards are all you need, apart from love of course ;-)


 

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