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« on: December 09, 2010, 00:04 »
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Hey All :)

I'll be adding a Keywording service to picWorkflow in the next few days.

It will allow you to both submit your images for keywording, and earn by keywording other's images (though keyworders will be subject to approval beforehand and within an ongoing QC process).

I'm wondering how many people are interested in keywording for the system, and how many would be interested in purchasing the keywording process (it's been heavily requested by existing picWorkflow suggestions already but I'd like to get a broader view).

If you want to keyword images, how much would you expect to earn per image?
If you want images keyworded, how much would you expect to pay (and for how many keywords)?

Thanks :)


Edited: 18th Jan 2011

The service is now active, I've tried to incorporate a lot of the suggestions from you guys and gals, and I've added a pricing system which makes it possible to earn more and more for better performance. Info here:

http://blog.picniche.com/featured/stock-photo-keywording-in-just-3-clicks-with-picworkflow/
« Last Edit: January 18, 2011, 06:21 by bobbigmac »


« Reply #1 on: December 09, 2010, 12:01 »
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Interest either way?

« Reply #2 on: December 11, 2010, 12:36 »
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Hi there

Would this be a system similar to DT with a smiliar price?

Oldhand

« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2010, 14:13 »
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Would this be a system similar to DT with a smiliar price?

You will simply add a process to each image (or selection of several images) you want keyworded, specifying the number of keywords you desire and the keyworders will keyword them before your files are uploaded by the picWorkflow system.

I'm looking to provide it cheaper than any other keywording service, although precisely how much it will cost is yet to be decided and is to be determined by finding the mid-point between what photographers are willing to pay, and what keyworders are interested in accepting as payment. Please let me know, whichever camp you are in, how much that that will be :)

« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2010, 15:26 »
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One suggestion on payment could be to be paid in picniche uploading credits.  That way people could upload for 'free' by keywording a few images.  

Perhaps you could also have a rating system so the people who had their images keyworded could rate how good the keywords were.  People with the highest rating would earn more.

I like to keyword my own images, so I am not sure any price would really be low enough, but just throwing some numbers out ... I'm not sure I'd pay much more than $0.25/image for keywording for say 25 words, and probably wouldn't spend time keywording someone else's images unless I was paid $0.50/image .... you start to see the problem :)  But keywording I am sure is a valuable service for those who don't have English as their first language.

However, people living in cheaper countries to live in than Norway (and people actually looking for a job) would probably be happier being paid a lot less/image.  I think a person could easily earn a fair wage at $0.25/image.  
« Last Edit: December 11, 2010, 15:28 by leaf »

« Reply #5 on: December 11, 2010, 16:31 »
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The current design is for payment to be in picWorkflow regular paid credits so the credits can be transferred out to paypal once the limit is reached.

There is a rating system of a sort, though there isn't much room to be paid more (picWorkflow will only keep 10% to start with so not a lot to give up after that). But I will be tracking keyworder performance and futher activites for more earnings will only be available to the best keyworders: captioning, review tasks and perhaps things like categorisation and keyword disambiguation will follow.

The cost will be lowered by making the interface for the keyworder as effective as possible for keywording many images at once. There will not be a critically high quality bar, but again, the best keyworders (every keywording task may be rated for quality by the purchasers) so a certain level of quality will be built into the system and moreso over time.

Just from my own tests here on the first-stage keywording platform, it's perfectly feasible for a keyworder to earn between $6-$12 per hour depending on the final payment structure, the keyworders proficiency and the level of demand for the service (corresponding to a cost to the keyword-purchaser of somewhere between 0.4-0.8 cents per keyword).

« Reply #6 on: December 11, 2010, 18:31 »
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that sounds like you have a decent system in place. 

If the keyworder is able to make between $6-12/hour then I am sure you'll get some takers. 

« Reply #7 on: December 11, 2010, 21:23 »
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I'd keyword for 10$ an hour, for sure.

« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2010, 00:38 »
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1h means how many pictures?

« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2010, 02:57 »
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depends on you I guess:)

« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2010, 03:56 »
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i would prefer to see the stats tool is up.. something like a chart of sales..

i found that will bring more users..

« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2010, 04:28 »
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depends on you I guess:)

that's true :)

I haven't read properly, Bob wants to pay per picture, honestly I would join this once a little more income would be nice, I would do 1h per day easily

« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2010, 07:14 »
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The keyworder will se only a small preview? Or you will add a good watermark?

« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2010, 14:08 »
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The keyworder will se only a small preview? Or you will add a good watermark?
The keyworders will see A thumbnail with very thorough watermark on mouseover.
You can see the watermarked version which will be shown by clicking on the micro-thumb for any of your files in the process page.

« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2010, 14:11 »
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i would prefer to see the stats tool is up.. something like a chart of sales..

i found that will bring more users..
Don't worry, I'm working on both :) Just my first priority is on making the service sustainable by attracting people who pay for stuff first. I also see keywording as having the largest possible time-saving for a single task. Stats save time for some people, but is 'really' only necessary before end of each fiscal year, whereas keywording can save a lot more time for a lot more people immediately :)

« Reply #15 on: December 12, 2010, 15:00 »
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Have a look at mturk.com and cloudcrowd. You need a very good workflow, otherwise it will take to long to access the jobs, and this will be a big time thief. Cloudcrowd has a good workflow, where accessing and completing tasks require few clicks. Mturk is more convoluted, and often the process of accessing a task takes more time than finishing it.
Googles image labeler is quick and fun to use.

One big time saver for the keyworder would be if you could add keywords to a lot of pics at once. E.g. see 20-30 thumbs at once and label them easily with "person, people, female" etc. Entering keywords for single images will take too much time. That is your big advantage if you get a lot of people to use this feature: you will have access to a lot of pictures and the work flow can be very effective.

« Reply #16 on: December 12, 2010, 19:23 »
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Googles image labeler is quick and fun to use.

This was what first put me onto the idea, and although not directly replicating that service (as it's terribly inefficient when dealing with multiple similar images) I do have it's speed and focus in mind.

One big time saver for the keyworder would be if you could add keywords to a lot of pics at once. E.g. see 20-30 thumbs at once and label them easily with "person, people, female" etc. Entering keywords for single images will take too much time.

This is the sole reason I am willing to make such tasks available. Single image keywording is foolishly slow, and part of the reason it's such a PITA for microstockers in general is that not one agency has a decent UI for it (and don't get me started on controlled vocabulary ;)). Hence why I created one, and will continue to improve it based on the feedback from keyworders :)

« Reply #17 on: January 18, 2011, 06:24 »
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The picWorkflow keywording service is now active, I've tried to incorporate a lot of the suggestions and comments from you guys and gals (thank you very much :)), and I've added a pricing system which rewards quality keywording and makes it possible to earn more for better performance.

Info here:

http://blog.picniche.com/featured/stock-photo-keywording-in-just-3-clicks-with-picworkflow/

I'll also be adding other services soon, and there is something of a 'promotion' tree for people who want to be operators, and of course more options for photographers who want to cut down the time and effort taken to process images before they can get up and for sale :)

What do you think?

« Reply #18 on: January 19, 2011, 07:25 »
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Images need to be uploaded to picworkflow first and pay a storage fee in addtion to the keywording Service?

« Reply #19 on: January 19, 2011, 07:38 »
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They have to be uploaded to picWorkflow, but you do not need to pay to store them, they are stored by default for free for 7 days and all tasks purchasing keywording also get an extra 2 days free storage.

The only other charge is for the subsequent distribution, but as soon as I know what point I can afford to put it at, I will reedem a proportion of the amount spent on keywording into free distribution credits.

If you also don't want to pay for distribution afterwards, you can export the metadata as csv/tsv to import to your own library.

« Reply #20 on: January 19, 2011, 13:40 »
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Why not create something where you can view images from different stock agencies in your site (picworkflow) instead of uploading the images and offer the keyword service that way. Keywords can be added, edit or removed from images that has been approved by the stock agency. Much better than having images keyworded  and getting a rejection for whatever reason by the stock agency.

« Reply #21 on: January 19, 2011, 13:44 »
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Simply because microstock agencies make it impossible to do that: partly because they require images be keyworded before submission, but also because they are currently completely unwilling to collaborate with anyone who also make it easier for "their" contributors to submit anywhere else.

The addition of the meta-tagger to the picNiche toolbar (soon) will however make it feasible to audit or enhance your keywords for previously submitted images by using the picWorkflow service.

« Reply #22 on: January 27, 2011, 12:37 »
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Bob,
Your keywording service is a great idea, I'm trying immediately with one photo to see the results, it could be very useful for a person like me: English is not my native language and I'm traveling often this year!

« Reply #23 on: January 27, 2011, 13:20 »
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Thanks, I hope it's useful to you :)

If you have any requests, suggestions or questions, please let me know :)

« Reply #24 on: January 28, 2011, 12:06 »
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Hi Bob,
I don't know how to copy and paste the keywords from your site to my files on the computer: there's no possibility of copy/paste and keywords are not separated by comma!
I notice also the impossibility to reduce pictures size for shutterstock and other subscription site, it's easy to add and very useful, without that, I can't use picworlfow.
I don't understand also why we must write the copyright for each picture, it's waste of time.
Thanks.
« Last Edit: January 28, 2011, 12:09 by Smithore »


 

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