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« on: March 20, 2011, 16:28 »
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Heya All :)

I'm wondering if anyone is interested in keywording images for picWorkflow? There are about 10 keyworders already (5-6 regularly active and have received payouts).
Demand for the keywording service is higher than I expected (better even than I'd hoped), so before I look at using platforms like mturk (which has the risk of lower quality keywords), I'm wondering if anyone here (experienced in keywording their own or other's images) is interested in becoming a picWorkflow keyworder?

Payment is 90% of the cost to the keyword-purchaser, and is usually around 30-50c per image (paid per keyword at a flexible rate). I've been amazed at how fast it adds up too, I didn't expect to be making payouts so often so early on and really pleased that it's going well so far :)

If you're interested, take a look at:
https://www.picworkflow.com/keywording/
Then drop me an email: [email protected] with links to your portfolio so I can take a look at your keywording prowess :)

Cheers :) Bob


« Reply #1 on: December 16, 2011, 07:15 »
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Had another boost in demand for keywords since Microstock Expo, so I'm recruiting for more keyworders again. Anyone interested drop me a mail with a link to your port on any microstock site :)

« Reply #2 on: December 16, 2011, 08:42 »
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Glad things are going well Bob, hope you find some good keyworders.

« Reply #3 on: March 12, 2012, 14:12 »
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Recruiting again if anyone is looking for work keywording images :)

« Reply #4 on: May 30, 2012, 20:59 »
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Recruiting more captioners at the moment as we're growing a backlog of captioning tasks.

Rather a high quality bar so you must be experienced and speak fluent english.
If you'd like to caption images and have images you've captioned as an example please drop link(s) to me at [email protected]

ShadySue

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« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2012, 08:41 »
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Is your own keywording an indication of the standards required?
I just looked at a random four pics in your iStock port, and each of them had one outstandingly wrong keyword.
The fifth one I looked at was this one:
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-6746266-horse-beautiful-green-field-in-british-summer-morning.php?st=4226475
which is part of a horse standing in a field looking out of the picture with copy space, for which you have the keywords:
dressage (not in photo)
trotter (maybe so, but it's not obvious, so shouldn't be in, just like if you have a business portrait of someone in a business suit who happens to be a ballet dancer, you shouldn't put 'ballet dancer')
mare AND stallion (impossible, and as you can't tell from the photo, irrelevant)
event (no)
foal (I don't think so, but if so, not a mare and obviously not a stallion)
But you haven't got 'copy space', 'part of' or the generics (colour, photography, horizontal, nobody).
Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?
« Last Edit: June 03, 2012, 05:51 by ShadySue »

« Reply #6 on: June 01, 2012, 07:28 »
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I would say "trotter", "dressage" and "foal" are the most outstanding words there but Stallion and Mare are not wrong at all. Most buyers wont know the difference and wont see it as wrong if that image pops up from a search for "Mare or Stallion"

Im missing a few but I came up with a couple more - animal, wildlife, nature, outdoors, farm, outside, grass, grassland, pasture, pastureland, meadow, field, paddock, countryside, grass, pet, horse, domestic, wild, domesticated, mare, stallion, copyspace, green, summer, spring, environment, environmental, habitat, mammal, 

I think the more words the better. Just make sure the buyer will understand why you have put that word there. Although the horse is not in a paddock, the buyer wont take it as wrong keywording.

What you think?

« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2012, 00:05 »
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wild and domesticated ??  surely someone searching for a wild animal wouldn't want this horse.

wildlife and pet ??

habitat ?   Would you search for horse habitat ?

A few long bows in that group. I agree with some , others I wouldn't use myself.

Does anybody ever search "mammal" ?   
151,000 keyworded on IS. Looks like people like keywording it atleast 

what about neutrons, protons and electrons ?
nitrogen = there must be some in the air between the lens and the horse.
;)

« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2012, 00:45 »
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Also "equus".
And "Perissodactyla", because it is!
And "Laurasiatheria", being a placental mammal.

ShadySue

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« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2012, 03:33 »
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I would say "trotter", "dressage" and "foal" are the most outstanding words there but Stallion and Mare are not wrong at all. Most buyers wont know the difference and wont see it as wrong if that image pops up from a search for "Mare or Stallion"

Im missing a few but I came up with a couple more - animal, wildlife, nature, outdoors, farm, outside, grass, grassland, pasture, pastureland, meadow, field, paddock, countryside, grass, pet, horse, domestic, wild, domesticated, mare, stallion, copyspace, green, summer, spring, environment, environmental, habitat, mammal,  

I think the more words the better. Just make sure the buyer will understand why you have put that word there. Although the horse is not in a paddock, the buyer wont take it as wrong keywording.

What you think?

I am particularly talking about iStock, as this is where I found the image; other sites may well be different.

Totally disagree with wild ("animals in the wild"), wildlife, mare, stallion as above, farm (it was explained ages ago that farm should mean a farmhouse or something obviously a farm. This could be a horse in a paddock outside someone's home.), environment/environmental (again, because of the explanation given ages ago on the forum about what these words should be used for, and what they DA to. Environment/environmental DAs to Environmental damage or Environmental conservation, so irrelevant for this picture, unless you're being really exact and referring to the damage to the natural damage to the environment caused by the 'green desert'. Although this is true, I wouldn't actually go as far as labelling a pasture 'environmental damage.' Maybe that's just me.
 There also is a 'Nature' DA for 'environment, which I think lots of people might use for this pic, even though there isn't much natural in it, rendering 'environment' unnecessary; 'habitat' DAs to 'environment' or 'nature'.

Grassland is a particular geobotanical feature. In iStock it DAs to 'plain'; it should be a savannah/pampas/prairie/veldt/steppe.

I don't think the more words the better. I think only the words that really describe the photo should be used, and that is the iStock official line. I'm guessing if a buyer specifies 'mare' or 'stallion' rather than 'horse', that's actually what they want.

Again, other sites may work differently. I was specifying the standards of the site I found the image on.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2012, 05:59 by ShadySue »

« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2012, 05:21 »
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wild and domesticated ??  surely someone searching for a wild animal wouldn't want this horse.

wildlife and pet ??

habitat ?   Would you search for horse habitat ?

A few long bows in that group. I agree with some , others I wouldn't use myself.

Does anybody ever search "mammal" ?   
151,000 keyworded on IS. Looks like people like keywording it atleast 

what about neutrons, protons and electrons ?
nitrogen = there must be some in the air between the lens and the horse.
;)

Yes I understand. We could write "thinking" and "looking" as I am sure the horse is doing both of those things :)

"surely someone searching for a wild animal wouldn't want this horse" How would you know? We talking about buyers. Some ordinary, ignorant and some smart people out there. If I searched "Wild" and that image popped up I would not think for a second anything negative about the photographer and his choices of words as they are completely understandable. If a woman looking crazy with insanely frizzy hair popped up, I would accept that as a "wild" woman. As long as it is understandable to the buyer then it cannot be a wrong word.

It is a Mammal indeed and it is in a habitat and/or even its own.

ShadySue : Yes I am also talking about iStock. Please see above with regards to "Mare" "Stallion" and other words you disagree with. I agree with a lot of what you are saying but why so specific? We never really know what a buyer wants or is thinking. I'm sure people go on the site looking for dogs and leave with a picture of a cat and a summer holiday picture.

It's subjective. Nobody is wrong here. (Incept for "trotter", "dressage" and "foal")  ;D

The title is horrible "Horse Beautiful Green Field in British Summer Morning" What do you think?

Happy Keywording :)

« Reply #11 on: June 07, 2012, 06:08 »
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A women with "wild" hair might make sense to keyword wild.

What is "wild" looking about this horse ?

Maybe if it was running around in its' mamalian habitat with foam froffing from its mouth  :)

 

ShadySue

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« Reply #12 on: June 07, 2012, 06:40 »
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A women with "wild" hair might make sense to keyword wild.

What is "wild" looking about this horse ?

Maybe if it was running around in its' mamalian habitat with foam froffing from its mouth  :)

 


'Wild' DAs only to:
  Animals In The Wild (Wildlife)
  Uncultivated (Flora Environment)
  Rebellion

Depending on the context the wild-haired woman might constitute 'rebellion', but the chances are she wouldn't.
Again, she might have been photographed in an uncultivated flora environment - but the 'wild' wouldn't refer to her hair.
Otherwise you'd have to think of another keyword to describe the hair, which might be 'unkempt' which DAs to messy (bad condition) which might, or might not, fit the bill.

Wild > animals in the wild is only for actual wild animals, not horses in paddocks.
(NB, zoo animals should not be tagged 'animals in the wild', but apparently 'wildlife' is appropriate for them.)
That was established years ago by Keywords, back in the days when he posted in the forums rather than ducksandwich. I'm pretty sure it was not very long after I started, so probably 2007. Long before the days of the official Keywords forum.

In general, working within the CV makes sense.

Mind you, yesterday I had 'copy space' removed from this picture:
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-20493843-male-lesser-redpoll-on-nyger-niger-seed-feeder-copy-space.php
which IMO is really 'copy space with a wee bird at the side'.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2012, 07:13 by ShadySue »

ShadySue

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« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2012, 06:46 »
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ShadySue : Yes I am also talking about iStock. Please see above with regards to "Mare" "Stallion" and other words you disagree with. I agree with a lot of what you are saying but why so specific? We never really know what a buyer wants or is thinking. I'm sure people go on the site looking for dogs and leave with a picture of a cat and a summer holiday picture.

It's subjective. Nobody is wrong here. (Incept for "trotter", "dressage" and "foal")  ;D

The title is horrible "Horse Beautiful Green Field in British Summer Morning" What do you think?



iStock has keyword standards. http://www.istockphoto.com/article_view.php?ID=227
The main problem with iStock's search is that people keep ignoring the standards and apparently 'most' inspectors don't care or people are spamming immediately after acceptance. Any search for 'commercial kitchen' illustrates that perfectly. GIGO

The title seems fine to me. I'd probably not have put 'beautiful' as that's purely subjective ('handsome' men, 'beautiful' women, 'adorable' children are ten a penny and very debatable), but that's just me. I don't see any problem with any of the words in the title.
What do you think is wrong with it?

BTW the CV keyword 'beauty in nature' is an interesting one. I doubt if its used very much by buyers. I'd always taken it as referring to beautiful flowers, birds, animals in a not-unnatural context. But it seems like it has a non-DAd ambiguation for young women in meadows or woodland. Ha, a candidate for a DA if ever there was one. But like I said, I bet it's seldom actually used.
« Last Edit: June 07, 2012, 07:07 by ShadySue »

« Reply #14 on: October 14, 2012, 11:11 »
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Is your own keywording an indication of the standards required?


Not even remotely :) My own portfolio hasn't been added to since well before I started picWorkflow, have been too busy :)
A lot of my very early images were lazily keyworded using Yuri's keywording tool, so I know they're really terrible and have a lot of irrelevant (or only loosely related) keywords.

I had most of my portfolio keyword-audited when I cleaned it out and distributed to 6 of the newest agencies, but all my old images on the big-5 agencies are pretty poor quality keywords by comparison. A description of my updated workflow post-picWorkflow can be found here:
http://picworkflow.com/blog/microstock/spring-cleaning-my-microstock-portfolio/


 

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