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Agency Based Discussion => Pond5 => Topic started by: Zero Talent on April 12, 2023, 08:26
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I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page:
https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences (https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences)
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I don't know what peanuts means to you, but I don't mind mine 50$ I've just got... Of course, if it's only for previous month?
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I don't know what peanuts means to you, but I don't mind mine 50$ I've just got... Of course, if it's only for previous month?
$10 for me, because I have a small portfolio (~350 videos). But even $50 is peanuts, when you realize that for only $50 you are helping your AI competition to be trained by your assets.
You will be losing much more that $50, when customers will begin choosing AI generated stuff trained by you, instead of your real assets.
You are shooting yourself in the foot, and also hurting the rest of us :-\
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I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page
Thank you, i did it. around 30$ for me with 1500 videos.
And off course they tell us that it is possible to opt-out after they make the deal...
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Opt out? I just got $85... My footage isn't going to change the world, nor is it going to slow anything down if I opted out. I'll take the money thanks
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(https://i.ibb.co/DWhRR3T/Screenshot-2023-04-12-at-21-21-42.png) (https://ibb.co/YQmLLvw)
I am happy ;)
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I just got $108.42 for Dataset Earnings and $21.06 for Partner Earnings. Plus another $28.65 combined on my P5 Exclusive account.
This is the first time I've heard about them. Is there a link anywhere for more information about them?
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I just got $108.42 for Dataset Earnings and $21.06 for Partner Earnings. Plus another $28.65 combined on my P5 Exclusive account.
This is the first time I've heard about them. Is there a link anywhere for more information about them?
Yes, right on P5 from your dashboard Financial
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Just click on the name line and you'll get the answer.
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(https://i.ibb.co/DWhRR3T/Screenshot-2023-04-12-at-21-21-42.png) (https://ibb.co/YQmLLvw)
I am happy ;)
I bet you wouldn't be that happy if they would show each sale with your entire port sold for 2-3 cents/video, and that only to help your AI competitors.
But seeing all sales in a bundle is mesmerizing. :(
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Thanks guys. Found it.
I opted out.
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I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page:
https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences (https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences)
Thankyou, and done.
I also only recently learned of opting out of 'Data Deals' on Shutterstock under Licensing Options in Account Settings.
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39 Dollars for me.
I will stay opted in for the time being to see how this develops.
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I've opted out - thanks for the link or I'd never have found it.
I have images at Pond5 which is largely pointless as they don't sell images very well. I don't believe I've seen any email from Pond5/Shutterstock explaining what would be happening with AI training in advance of it actually happening. They get half points for offering an opt out after the fact, but that's offset by no information whatsoever about how the amount was arrived at.
I am not surprised to read posts about people happy to take the money and ask no questions, but remember later on if you don't like the end results, that you said OK.
Before you say OK, think about the folks who said OK to Canva's 6 months of double earnings and then later weren't happy to see the bottom drop out of the licensing that paid them well in favor of the fractions of a cent for the all-you-can-eat buffet where Canva keeps most of the subscription revenue.
Agencies bait the hook with a little cash, provide little or no transparency about what they're doing, and because the agencies have been squeezing contributor earnings so relentlessly of late, contributors feel they have no option but to take the crumbs offered.
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There is Shutterstock Datasets and AI-generated Content: Contributor FAQ. Last update i think it was last month or so.
Here is the link: https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Shutterstock-ai-and-Computer-Vision-Contributor-FAQ?language=en_US
I made a lot of hundreds (data sets and partners).
Truly I don't mind at all that my images are being used (metadata/data) for computer vision or generative Ai with some compensation. Why not? it fully paid my house rent for 2 months.
I might be wrong in a long run but i find feeding AI an interesting revenue feature at this point.
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I am very curious to know how Wirestock distribute those "partner earnings" to its contributors, without knowing which files were sold? I guess they keep all those partner earnings with them.
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I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page:
https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences (https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences)
Thanks!! Opted out
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I'm not necessarily against AI training using datasets in general. I mean, you can't stop innovation and AI is now so widespread there's no delaying or slowing its progress. You can opt out, but the change to the creative industry (not just microstock) is imminent and unavoidable. As long as we get compensation for the use of our work (and that compensation is relatively transparent), then we should embrace it instead of fighting it.
Of course, it's easy for me to say, I'm doing microstock only part-time. But I never wanted to do this full-time because I think the microstock future is bleak anyway and its heydays are over. Take what you can while you still can.
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Me and my $22 are out. Jerks.
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I've opted out - thanks for the link or I'd never have found it.
I have images at Pond5 which is largely pointless as they don't sell images very well. I don't believe I've seen any email from Pond5/Shutterstock explaining what would be happening with AI training in advance of it actually happening. They get half points for offering an opt out after the fact, but that's offset by no information whatsoever about how the amount was arrived at.
I am not surprised to read posts about people happy to take the money and ask no questions, but remember later on if you don't like the end results, that you said OK.
Before you say OK, think about the folks who said OK to Canva's 6 months of double earnings and then later weren't happy to see the bottom drop out of the licensing that paid them well in favor of the fractions of a cent for the all-you-can-eat buffet where Canva keeps most of the subscription revenue.
Agencies bait the hook with a little cash, provide little or no transparency about what they're doing, and because the agencies have been squeezing contributor earnings so relentlessly of late, contributors feel they have no option but to take the crumbs offered.
Right, and I say they get no points for doing the same as SS did and announcing we were used, followed by an option to opt out in the future. Why didn't they offer this in advance. I suspect because, they hadn't intended to tell us at all or pay us at all, until the legal question of use came up. This way, after the fact, they can say "We compensated the artists"
I am very curious to know how Wirestock distribute those "partner earnings" to its contributors, without knowing which files were sold?
Anyone who has a Wirestock account should be equally curious.
This is the first time I've heard about them. Is there a link anywhere for more information about them?
Because it wasn't announced or there until it just showed up on the 12th. No one was told in advance.
You already found the parts you needed in My-Preferences. Here's the link for More Info = What Is This: https://contributor.pond5.com/getting-started/payout-overview/?a=11 Just in case.
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Resistance is futile. To late to change the course of AI. The guy that asked if his 50 dollar is for the last month, let me say it's the last payment for dataset. All your 2500 files were scraped you got 2 cent each. Now they are working on making you obsolete and then you will never get a payment again. So enjoy while it lasts.
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Resistance is futile. To late to change the course of AI. The guy that asked if his 50 dollar is for the last month, let me say it's the last payment for dataset. All your 2500 files were scraped you got 2 cent each. Now they are working on making you obsolete and then you will never get a payment again. So enjoy while it lasts.
Yes I noticed on Shutterstock, long before I discovered the opt out feature, that after some initial payments for data sets, haven't had one more payment since. The AI machine learned everything it needed from my images and now the images are redundant for AI purposes, which means no further earnings for the contributor while image creation from the images can continue forever. Opt out while you can so at least your content (apparently) can't be used for AI learning and image creations which you and I will never see a penny for again, even if we were to remove our contents from the sites.
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Resistance is futile. To late to change the course of AI. The guy that asked if his 50 dollar is for the last month, let me say it's the last payment for dataset. All your 2500 files were scraped you got 2 cent each. Now they are working on making you obsolete and then you will never get a payment again. So enjoy while it lasts.
Yes I noticed on Shutterstock, long before I discovered the opt out feature, that after some initial payments for data sets, haven't had one more payment since. The AI machine learned everything it needed from my images and now the images are redundant for AI purposes, which means no further earnings for the contributor while image creation from the images can continue forever. Opt out while you can so at least your content (apparently) can't be used for AI learning and image creations which you and I will never see a penny for again, even if we were to remove our contents from the sites.
From what I understood Shutterstock only pays out for data set learning once a year, that's why no one had any payments under the contributor fund colum there since December.
I still opted out, because I don't want my images to be used legally for something that will destroy my means of living. They were and will be used for that purpose illegally anyways, which put me in a moral dilemma about whether I should allow it and at least earn a bit from it while there is still some money to be made, but in the end it just did not agree with my conscience.
Just saying that it doesn't mean there won't be further payments.
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I have all inclusive. But Shutterstock doesn't pay me anything for this. Why? Pond5 pays, but Shutterstock doesn't.
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Shutterstock, as I understand it, was going to pay once every six months. Will pond5 pay every month?
Shutterstock:
"How will I get paid?
Earnings from datasets and downloads of AI-generated content produced with integrated technology on our platform are pooled in a collective fund and will be distributed every 6 months. If you have generated earnings from the fund, you will see those posted in your Earnings Summary, in the "Contributor Fund" column. Payouts will happen every 6 months and will include both earnings from data deals as well as royalties from AI-generated content created with the tool on our platform."
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And what does Pond5 pay for, for a photo or for a video? How to understand?
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I have just opted out my exclusive contents. Too bad I did not know the option earlier.
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I have all inclusive. But Shutterstock doesn't pay me anything for this. Why? Pond5 pays, but Shutterstock doesn't.
Are you one of the people who disables their portfolio then enables it again, then disables it and waits a month and enables again? SSTK may have licensed the data during the time when you had disabled your port?
I have just opted out my exclusive contents. Too bad I did not know the option earlier.
No one did in either case. We were not told until after SS used the images. We were not notified until after P5 had allowed the use.
Nice trick is, once they have used all they need in the first round, any of us opting out will most likely be for only new images? Often known as closing the barn door after the livestock has escaped. We got pennies, they have used them and we can opt out. If they are already used, what are we opting out of?
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Are you one of the people who disables their portfolio then enables it again, then disables it and waits a month and enables again? SSTK may have licensed the data during the time when you had disabled your port?
No, I never turn anything off, I always have everything on. I always need extra money.
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Opt out? I just got $85... My footage isn't going to change the world, nor is it going to slow anything down if I opted out. I'll take the money thanks
really funny - same people who whine about not getting paid for using their images now complain when someone tries to pay them?
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Are you one of the people who disables their portfolio then enables it again, then disables it and waits a month and enables again? SSTK may have licensed the data during the time when you had disabled your port?
No, I never turn anything off, I always have everything on. I always need extra money.
Well there goes that theory. :-X There were a couple of people over the years who thought that disabling their port would make things sell better on others, or that when they enabled, it would make them somehow get re-ranked. Neither made any sense at all.
Another guess is, SS the first distribution, was only images and not video. While P5 was everything. I don't know that, just a guess why someone with thousands of videos wouldn't get one use from SSTK.
To answer another question that came up. SS said they will be paying every 6 months.
EMAIL 12/30/22
Why we are doing this: Generative content would not be possible without contributing artists, and Shutterstock believes contributors should be rewarded. To recognize our artists’ contributions, we will be paying royalties for the role artists’ IP plays in the development of generative AI models trained on Shutterstock’s library as well as for ongoing licensing activity of AI-generated content by Shutterstock’s content generation tool.
How it works: The Contributor Fund will release earnings every 6 months, and will include contributor earnings for:
Data deals with companies like OpenAI or LG AI Research for AI model training
Ongoing revenue from customer licensing of AI-generated content created using Shutterstock's AI content generation tool
For data deals, a portion of the contract value is paid to all contributors involved, distributed proportionally by the number of assets and metadata a contributor has included in the deal. For generative licensing, a portion of every customer license for generative content is paid out to the contributors whose content was used to train that particular model (eg. OpenAI or LG AI Research). Generative licensing also distributes earnings proportionally by the number of assets and metadata a contributor had included in the original data deal.
P5 has said nothing about how often. (that I've seen) If you click the FAQ on P5 for AI Datasets and use, it takes us to the SS page about the use and compensation.
Personal opinion / best guess is every six months, just like SS.
Find out after July 1st.
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To answer another question that came up. SS said they will be paying every 6 months.
Yes, that's right, it's still early for SS. Unlike Pond5, I also have a lot of photos on SS.
I asked pond5 how often, they said once every 3 months. So I got money for Pond5 in April.
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Now the question is how long artificial intelligence will pay me. Or at one time recycle the entire portfolio. :-\
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To answer another question that came up. SS said they will be paying every 6 months.
Yes, that's right, it's still early for SS. Unlike Pond5, I also have a lot of photos on SS.
I asked pond5 how often, they said once every 3 months. So I got money for Pond5 in April.
LOL and once they have taken every image, how many new ones will they be using in the next round? Just like someone else pointed out, if they use all the images and then allow an opt out, how does that help any of us, after the fact? SS and P5 have already taken what they wanted.
Interesting that P5 says every three months. Doesn't help me, but still interesting.
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Is this a monthly payout or how it goes?
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Interesting that P5 says every three months. Doesn't help me, but still interesting.
The same as the SS undertook to pay every 6 months. I asked Pond how often I would receive payments for artificial intelligence, I was told that every 3 months. But if they have already raked everything out, then I probably won’t.
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I wonder if those data earnins are a once per year earnings or an every month thing?
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I wonder if those data earnins are a once per year earnings or an every month thing?
or maybe just once, and it already happened.
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Probably missing something obvious here but i don't see a Dataset opt in/out box in my P5 preferences page (?)
My port is entirely video if that matters.
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Probably missing something obvious here but i don't see a Dataset opt in/out box in my P5 preferences page (?)
My port is entirely video if that matters.
https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences (https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences)
Lower Left two boxes above [SUBMIT] ? "Make my content available for Dataset Earnings"
Unless it's not there for you.
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I find it strange that they didn't ask us permission about this first. And I don't recall any e-mail being sent out explaining what is going on with this plan involving artificial intelligence 'learning' from our own images and the compensation. It's like we're almost being kept in the dark about it.
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I find it strange that they didn't ask us permission about this first. And I don't recall any e-mail being sent out explaining what is going on with this plan involving artificial intelligence 'learning' from our own images and the compensation. It's like we're almost being kept in the dark about it.
As far as I know that is how all of the sites have done it - made deals, sold the data, then maybe paid us a bit, and maybe offered an opt out after the data has been sold at least once.
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Probably missing something obvious here but i don't see a Dataset opt in/out box in my P5 preferences page (?)
My port is entirely video if that matters.
https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences (https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences)
Lower Left two boxes above [SUBMIT] ? "Make my content available for Dataset Earnings"
Unless it's not there for you.
Cheers, not sure how i missed it the first 20 times i read that screen!
Im already opted out though oddly.
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I wonder if those data earnins are a once per year earnings or an every month thing?
It seems like once a year. Today I was paid $133. The previous payment for dataset was April 12, 2023. For some reason they chose Cosmonautics Day for these payments.
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67$. Opted out from both....exclusive and non exclusive accounts. Not worth the peanuts. I also never give in to the free for 1 year payments at Adobe stock and they pay more so they can train on other videos. I will not blink an eye for the lost "amazing big revenue"
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My payment worked out at about 1 cent per video.
A year ago my P5 dataset payment was 3 times greater. Shutterstock dataset payments have also been getting smaller and smaller. How can this be when Shutterstock's latest quarterly report says that the 2023 full year revenue from their Data, Distribution, and Services product offering increased 256% as compared to 2022?
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… on our expense, like ever before…