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« on: April 12, 2023, 08:26 »
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I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page:

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences



« Reply #1 on: April 12, 2023, 09:14 »
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I don't know what peanuts means to you, but I don't mind mine 50$ I've just got... Of course, if it's only for previous month?

« Reply #2 on: April 12, 2023, 09:30 »
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I don't know what peanuts means to you, but I don't mind mine 50$ I've just got... Of course, if it's only for previous month?


$10 for me, because I have a small portfolio (~350 videos). But even $50 is peanuts, when you realize that for only $50 you are helping your AI competition to be trained by your assets.
You will be losing much more that $50, when customers will begin choosing AI generated stuff trained by you, instead of your real assets.

You are shooting yourself in the foot, and also hurting the rest of us  :-\
« Last Edit: April 12, 2023, 09:37 by Zero Talent »

« Reply #3 on: April 12, 2023, 12:44 »
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I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page

Thank you, i did it. around 30$ for me with 1500 videos.
And off course they tell us that it is possible to opt-out after they make the deal...

« Reply #4 on: April 12, 2023, 12:51 »
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Opt out? I just got $85... My footage isn't going to change the world, nor is it going to slow anything down if I opted out. I'll take the money thanks

« Reply #5 on: April 12, 2023, 13:22 »
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I am happy  ;)

Annie2022

« Reply #6 on: April 12, 2023, 13:30 »
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I just got $108.42 for Dataset Earnings and $21.06 for Partner Earnings. Plus another $28.65 combined on my P5 Exclusive account.

This is the first time I've heard about them. Is there a link anywhere for more information about them?

« Last Edit: April 12, 2023, 13:33 by Annie »

« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2023, 14:05 »
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I just got $108.42 for Dataset Earnings and $21.06 for Partner Earnings. Plus another $28.65 combined on my P5 Exclusive account.

This is the first time I've heard about them. Is there a link anywhere for more information about them?
Yes, right on P5 from your dashboard Financial

« Reply #8 on: April 12, 2023, 14:06 »
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Just click on the name line and you'll get the answer.

« Reply #9 on: April 12, 2023, 14:11 »
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I am happy  ;)

I bet you wouldn't be that happy if they would show each sale with your entire port sold for 2-3 cents/video, and that only to help your AI competitors.

But seeing all sales in a bundle is mesmerizing.  :(


Annie2022

« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2023, 14:19 »
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Thanks guys. Found it.

I opted out.

« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2023, 14:38 »
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I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page:

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences

Thankyou, and done. 

I also only recently learned of opting out of 'Data Deals' on Shutterstock under Licensing  Options in Account Settings.

« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2023, 15:19 »
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39 Dollars for me.

I will stay opted in for the time being to see how this develops.

« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2023, 16:20 »
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I've opted out - thanks for the link or I'd never have found it.

I have images at Pond5 which is largely pointless as they don't sell images very well. I don't believe I've seen any email from Pond5/Shutterstock explaining what would be happening with AI training in advance of it actually happening. They get half points for offering an opt out after the fact, but that's offset by no information whatsoever about how the amount was arrived at.

I am not surprised to read posts about people happy to take the money and ask no questions, but remember later on if you don't like the end results, that you said OK.

Before you say OK, think about the folks who said OK to Canva's 6 months of double earnings and then later weren't happy to see the bottom drop out of the licensing that paid them well in favor of the fractions of a cent for the all-you-can-eat buffet where Canva keeps most of the subscription revenue.

Agencies bait the hook with a little cash, provide little or no transparency about what they're doing, and because the agencies have been squeezing contributor earnings so relentlessly of late, contributors feel they have no option but to take the crumbs offered.

« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2023, 19:22 »
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There is Shutterstock Datasets and AI-generated Content: Contributor FAQ. Last update i think it was last month or so.
Here is the link: https://support.submit.shutterstock.com/s/article/Shutterstock-ai-and-Computer-Vision-Contributor-FAQ?language=en_US

I made a lot of hundreds (data sets and partners).
Truly I don't mind at all that my images are being used (metadata/data) for computer vision or generative Ai with some compensation. Why not? it fully paid my house rent for 2 months.

I might be wrong in a long run but i find feeding AI an interesting revenue feature at this point. 




« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2023, 02:46 »
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I am very curious to know how Wirestock distribute those "partner earnings" to its contributors, without knowing which files were sold?  I guess they keep all those partner earnings with them.

« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2023, 04:33 »
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I just noticed this new dataset line on my P5 earnings page. See attached.
I highly encourge you guys to reject these peanuts and opt-out of AI training.
Unckeck the dataset box at the bottom of this page:

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences
Thanks!! Opted out

« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2023, 06:37 »
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I'm not necessarily against AI training using datasets in general. I mean, you can't stop innovation and AI is now so widespread there's no delaying or slowing its progress. You can opt out, but the change to the creative industry (not just microstock) is imminent and unavoidable. As long as we get compensation for the use of our work (and that compensation is relatively transparent), then we should embrace it instead of fighting it. 

Of course, it's easy for me to say, I'm doing microstock only part-time. But I never wanted to do this full-time because I think the microstock future is bleak anyway and its heydays are over. Take what you can while you still can.

« Reply #18 on: April 13, 2023, 07:38 »
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Me and my $22 are out.  Jerks.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2023, 10:51 »
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I've opted out - thanks for the link or I'd never have found it.

I have images at Pond5 which is largely pointless as they don't sell images very well. I don't believe I've seen any email from Pond5/Shutterstock explaining what would be happening with AI training in advance of it actually happening. They get half points for offering an opt out after the fact, but that's offset by no information whatsoever about how the amount was arrived at.

I am not surprised to read posts about people happy to take the money and ask no questions, but remember later on if you don't like the end results, that you said OK.

Before you say OK, think about the folks who said OK to Canva's 6 months of double earnings and then later weren't happy to see the bottom drop out of the licensing that paid them well in favor of the fractions of a cent for the all-you-can-eat buffet where Canva keeps most of the subscription revenue.

Agencies bait the hook with a little cash, provide little or no transparency about what they're doing, and because the agencies have been squeezing contributor earnings so relentlessly of late, contributors feel they have no option but to take the crumbs offered.

Right, and I say they get no points for doing the same as SS did and announcing we were used, followed by an option to opt out in the future. Why didn't they offer this in advance. I suspect because, they hadn't intended to tell us at all or pay us at all, until the legal question of use came up. This way, after the fact, they can say "We compensated the artists"

I am very curious to know how Wirestock distribute those "partner earnings" to its contributors, without knowing which files were sold? 

Anyone who has a Wirestock account should be equally curious.


This is the first time I've heard about them. Is there a link anywhere for more information about them?

Because it wasn't announced or there until it just showed up on the 12th. No one was told in advance.

You already found the parts you needed in My-Preferences. Here's the link for More Info =  What Is This:  https://contributor.pond5.com/getting-started/payout-overview/?a=11   Just in case.


« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2023, 11:12 »
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Resistance is futile. To late to change the course of AI. The guy that asked if his 50 dollar is for the last month, let me say it's the last payment for dataset. All your 2500 files were scraped you got 2 cent each. Now they are working on making you obsolete and then you  will never get a payment again. So enjoy while it lasts.
 

« Reply #21 on: April 14, 2023, 18:59 »
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Resistance is futile. To late to change the course of AI. The guy that asked if his 50 dollar is for the last month, let me say it's the last payment for dataset. All your 2500 files were scraped you got 2 cent each. Now they are working on making you obsolete and then you  will never get a payment again. So enjoy while it lasts.


Yes I noticed on Shutterstock, long before I discovered the opt out feature, that after some initial payments for data sets, haven't had one more payment since. The AI machine learned everything it needed from my images and now the images are redundant for AI purposes, which means no further earnings for the contributor while image creation from the images can continue forever. Opt out while you can so at least your content (apparently) can't be used for AI learning and image creations which you and I will never see a penny for again, even if we were to remove our contents from the sites.

« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2023, 01:18 »
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Resistance is futile. To late to change the course of AI. The guy that asked if his 50 dollar is for the last month, let me say it's the last payment for dataset. All your 2500 files were scraped you got 2 cent each. Now they are working on making you obsolete and then you  will never get a payment again. So enjoy while it lasts.


Yes I noticed on Shutterstock, long before I discovered the opt out feature, that after some initial payments for data sets, haven't had one more payment since. The AI machine learned everything it needed from my images and now the images are redundant for AI purposes, which means no further earnings for the contributor while image creation from the images can continue forever. Opt out while you can so at least your content (apparently) can't be used for AI learning and image creations which you and I will never see a penny for again, even if we were to remove our contents from the sites.

From what I understood Shutterstock only pays out for data set learning once a year, that's why no one had any payments under the contributor fund colum there since December.
 I still opted out, because I don't want my images to be used legally for something that will destroy my means of living. They were and will be used for that purpose illegally anyways, which put me in a moral dilemma about whether I should allow it and at least earn a bit from it while there is still some money to be made, but in the end it just did not agree with my conscience. 
Just saying that it doesn't mean there won't be further payments.
« Last Edit: April 15, 2023, 02:30 by Her Ugliness »

« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2023, 01:44 »
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« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2023, 03:38 »
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I have all inclusive. But Shutterstock doesn't pay me anything for this. Why? Pond5 pays, but Shutterstock doesn't.

« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2023, 03:41 »
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Shutterstock, as I understand it, was going to pay once every six months. Will pond5 pay every month?

Shutterstock:
"How will I get paid?
Earnings from datasets and downloads of AI-generated content produced with integrated technology on our platform are pooled in a collective fund and will be distributed every 6 months. If you have generated earnings from the fund, you will see those posted in your Earnings Summary, in the "Contributor Fund" column. Payouts will happen every 6 months and will include both earnings from data deals as well as royalties from AI-generated content created with the tool on our platform."

« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2023, 03:50 »
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And what does Pond5 pay for, for a photo or for a video? How to understand?

« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2023, 10:41 »
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I have just opted out my exclusive contents. Too bad I did not know the option earlier.

Uncle Pete

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« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2023, 13:52 »
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I have all inclusive. But Shutterstock doesn't pay me anything for this. Why? Pond5 pays, but Shutterstock doesn't.

Are you one of the people who disables their portfolio then enables it again, then disables it and waits a month and enables again? SSTK may have licensed the data during the time when you had disabled your port?

I have just opted out my exclusive contents. Too bad I did not know the option earlier.

No one did in either case. We were not told until after SS used the images. We were not notified until after P5 had allowed the use.

Nice trick is, once they have used all they need in the first round, any of us opting out will most likely be for only new images? Often known as closing the barn door after the livestock has escaped. We got pennies, they have used them and we can opt out. If they are already used, what are we opting out of?


« Reply #29 on: April 16, 2023, 03:25 »
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Are you one of the people who disables their portfolio then enables it again, then disables it and waits a month and enables again? SSTK may have licensed the data during the time when you had disabled your port?
No, I never turn anything off, I always have everything on. I always need extra money.

« Reply #30 on: April 16, 2023, 06:19 »
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Opt out? I just got $85... My footage isn't going to change the world, nor is it going to slow anything down if I opted out. I'll take the money thanks

really funny - same people who whine about not getting paid for using their images now complain when someone tries to pay them? 

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #31 on: April 16, 2023, 12:52 »
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Are you one of the people who disables their portfolio then enables it again, then disables it and waits a month and enables again? SSTK may have licensed the data during the time when you had disabled your port?
No, I never turn anything off, I always have everything on. I always need extra money.

Well there goes that theory.  :-X There were a couple of people over the years who thought that disabling their port would make things sell better on others, or that when they enabled, it would make them somehow get re-ranked. Neither made any sense at all.

Another guess is, SS the first distribution, was only images and not video. While P5 was everything. I don't know that, just a guess why someone with thousands of videos wouldn't get one use from SSTK.

To answer another question that came up. SS said they will be paying every 6 months.
EMAIL 12/30/22

Why we are doing this: Generative content would not be possible without contributing artists, and Shutterstock believes contributors should be rewarded. To recognize our artists contributions, we will be paying royalties for the role artists IP plays in the development of generative AI models trained on Shutterstocks library as well as for ongoing licensing activity of AI-generated content by Shutterstocks content generation tool.

How it works: The Contributor Fund will release earnings every 6 months, and will include contributor earnings for:

    Data deals with companies like OpenAI or LG AI Research for AI model training
    Ongoing revenue from customer licensing of AI-generated content created using Shutterstock's AI content generation tool

For data deals, a portion of the contract value is paid to all contributors involved, distributed proportionally by the number of assets and metadata a contributor has included in the deal. For generative licensing, a portion of every customer license for generative content is paid out to the contributors whose content was used to train that particular model (eg. OpenAI or LG AI Research). Generative licensing also distributes earnings proportionally by the number of assets and metadata a contributor had included in the original data deal.


P5 has said nothing about how often. (that I've seen) If you click the FAQ on P5 for AI Datasets and use, it takes us to the SS page about the use and compensation.

Personal opinion / best guess is every six months, just like SS.

Find out after July 1st.

« Reply #32 on: April 17, 2023, 05:05 »
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To answer another question that came up. SS said they will be paying every 6 months.
Yes, that's right, it's still early for SS. Unlike Pond5, I also have a lot of photos on SS.
I asked pond5 how often, they said once every 3 months. So I got money for Pond5 in April.

« Reply #33 on: April 17, 2023, 06:13 »
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Now the question is how long artificial intelligence will pay me. Or at one time recycle the entire portfolio.  :-\

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #34 on: April 17, 2023, 12:46 »
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To answer another question that came up. SS said they will be paying every 6 months.
Yes, that's right, it's still early for SS. Unlike Pond5, I also have a lot of photos on SS.
I asked pond5 how often, they said once every 3 months. So I got money for Pond5 in April.

LOL and once they have taken every image, how many new ones will they be using in the next round? Just like someone else pointed out, if they use all the images and then allow an opt out, how does that help any of us, after the fact? SS and P5 have already taken what they wanted.

Interesting that P5 says every three months. Doesn't help me, but still interesting.

« Reply #35 on: April 17, 2023, 13:54 »
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Is this a monthly payout or how it goes?

« Reply #36 on: April 17, 2023, 14:14 »
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Interesting that P5 says every three months. Doesn't help me, but still interesting.
The same as the SS undertook to pay every 6 months. I asked Pond how often I would receive payments for artificial intelligence, I was told that every 3 months. But if they have already raked everything out, then I probably wont.

« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2023, 12:31 »
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I wonder if those data earnins are a once per year earnings or an every month thing?

« Reply #38 on: May 16, 2023, 16:31 »
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I wonder if those data earnins are a once per year earnings or an every month thing?

or maybe just once, and it already happened.

« Reply #39 on: August 02, 2023, 00:28 »
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Probably missing something obvious here but i don't see a Dataset opt in/out box in my P5 preferences page (?)

My port is entirely video if that matters.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #40 on: August 02, 2023, 11:26 »
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Probably missing something obvious here but i don't see a Dataset opt in/out box in my P5 preferences page (?)

My port is entirely video if that matters.

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences

Lower Left two boxes above [SUBMIT] ?  "Make my content available for Dataset Earnings"

Unless it's not there for you.



« Reply #41 on: August 02, 2023, 15:40 »
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I find it strange that they didn't ask us permission about this first. And I don't recall any e-mail being sent out explaining what is going on with this plan involving artificial intelligence 'learning' from our own images and the compensation. It's like we're almost being kept in the dark about it.

« Reply #42 on: August 03, 2023, 00:06 »
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I find it strange that they didn't ask us permission about this first. And I don't recall any e-mail being sent out explaining what is going on with this plan involving artificial intelligence 'learning' from our own images and the compensation. It's like we're almost being kept in the dark about it.

As far as I know that is how all of the sites have done it - made deals, sold the data, then maybe paid us a bit, and maybe offered an opt out after the data has been sold at least once.

« Reply #43 on: August 03, 2023, 09:50 »
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Probably missing something obvious here but i don't see a Dataset opt in/out box in my P5 preferences page (?)

My port is entirely video if that matters.

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences

Lower Left two boxes above [SUBMIT] ?  "Make my content available for Dataset Earnings"

Unless it's not there for you.

Cheers, not sure how i missed it the first 20 times i read that screen!

Im already opted out though oddly.

« Reply #44 on: April 12, 2024, 07:13 »
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I wonder if those data earnins are a once per year earnings or an every month thing?
It seems like once a year. Today I was paid $133. The previous payment for dataset was April 12, 2023. For some reason they chose Cosmonautics Day for these payments.

« Reply #45 on: April 12, 2024, 16:32 »
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67$. Opted out from both....exclusive and non exclusive accounts. Not worth the peanuts. I also never give in to the free for 1 year payments at Adobe stock and they pay more so they can train on other videos. I will not blink an eye for the lost "amazing big revenue"

« Reply #46 on: April 12, 2024, 21:49 »
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My payment worked out at about 1 cent per video.

A year ago my P5 dataset payment was 3 times greater. Shutterstock dataset payments have also been getting smaller and smaller. How can this be when Shutterstock's latest quarterly report says that the 2023 full year revenue from their Data, Distribution, and Services product offering increased 256% as compared to 2022?

« Reply #47 on: April 13, 2024, 02:24 »
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on our expense, like ever before

« Reply #48 on: October 03, 2024, 07:09 »
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I just see couple of hundred $ added from Dataset Earnings on Pond5, anybody else?

« Reply #49 on: October 03, 2024, 07:18 »
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yup, I got 181 dollars with around 1038 clips and 400 photos.


« Reply #50 on: October 03, 2024, 08:23 »
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« Reply #51 on: October 03, 2024, 09:16 »
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1458 here. Not bad

« Reply #52 on: October 03, 2024, 10:34 »
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a) Re: hiding the initial "opt-out" - I suspect it was so the big "google/blackrock/etc backed" companies could quickly steal/etc as much without many people knowing. The reason the companies offered the "opt-out" AFTERWARDS... is to stifle potential competition. because say if google has access to say 100% of the "clips", and a competitor only has access to 30% (because of people opting out after the trickery was done) - then the "google/blackrock/vanguard" companies can make models that look more realistic (& hence more 'desirable' to use, aka more sales).

b) Odd. I opted out - and yet - apparently my stuff was still used. "Possible" within the small window of having opted out from pond5 - and when they 'announced' it "maybe" they sold some data to someone else... unlikely, but possible.

c) Companies that "license" the dataset should be paying in perpetuity (i.e., monthly, regular income) for ANY "data training", because obviously they want to make "perpetual revenue"- and by stealing/using other people's data with the current "one-time peanuts payment" - essentially you are making extremely low cost competition for yourself for peanuts. You should be compensated EVERY single time someone makes an image/video/etc based off ANY kind of model derived from your works.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #53 on: October 03, 2024, 13:15 »
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c) Companies that "license" the dataset should be paying in perpetuity (i.e., monthly, regular income) for ANY "data training", because obviously they want to make "perpetual revenue"- and by stealing/using other people's data with the current "one-time peanuts payment" - essentially you are making extremely low cost competition for yourself for peanuts. You should be compensated EVERY single time someone makes an image/video/etc based off ANY kind of model derived from your works.

You go to a mechanic and he replaces your rotors and brake pads. Then you should pay him a fee, monthly, every time you use the brakes on your car?  :o

The images are used one time, to create a model and that machine learning model, creates the new images. Your images, and mine, are never USED again.

When you license a stock image, the contract often says in perpetuity now. Same for a training use for AI. It has been licensed for use, forever, not for a single use. If you prefer that to a single use, which is what the actual use was, then fine. We still get nothing more than what the training has paid for.

Another complication, if there are 10,000 images of a pickle, used to train the software, then every time the software makes a pickle, 10,000 people should be paid again, for having their image used in training the machine? How do you know which images were used for every new image? There is no direct connection back to any specific image, when the machine creates a new image, from what it has learned.

I'd really like someone to answer that last question.

« Reply #54 on: October 03, 2024, 17:48 »
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Thanks for the heads-up. I checked it and got $87.26.

« Reply #55 on: October 03, 2024, 19:30 »
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You go to a mechanic and he replaces your rotors and brake pads. Then you should pay him a fee, monthly, every time you use the brakes on your car?  :o

The images are used one time, to create a model and that machine learning model, creates the new images. Your images, and mine, are never USED again.

When you license a stock image, the contract often says in perpetuity now. Same for a training use for AI. It has been licensed for use, forever, not for a single use. If you prefer that to a single use, which is what the actual use was, then fine. We still get nothing more than what the training has paid for.

Another complication, if there are 10,000 images of a pickle, used to train the software, then every time the software makes a pickle, 10,000 people should be paid again, for having their image used in training the machine? How do you know which images were used for every new image? There is no direct connection back to any specific image, when the machine creates a new image, from what it has learned.

I'd really like someone to answer that last question.

You are comparing apples to oranges, actually more like apples to palm trees on a beach. Pretty much no relation whatsoever.

a) The mechanic didn't steal the rotors, pads, etc to sell them to you.
b) You aren't in the business of making rotors, pads, etc that someone else steals from you to sell forever in direct competition, and doing whatever they can to simultaneously try to prevent you from future sales while they make a lot of sales.

The people behind the "AI" (which is not a thinking machine, and it is for the most part a jewish/"identify"asjewish consoratorium of people) are engaged in a combination of massive theft, and then trickery/deception/manipulation/etc to try to get you 'out' of business for a teensy tiny payment - because they want a "in-perpetuity" model where people use THEIR stuff, NOT yours.

In other words - they are trying to trick you into selling your "asset" 1x (to them) for peanuts (i.e., $0.10) - so they can then resell it 10,000+ times without ANY compensation  to you (i.e., to them $100,000+ for your single asset).

Single use is one thing, because it is used by a single entity. Not for derivative works to be resold (i.e., you don't sell your license 1x so then the company that 'bought' it can sell it 10000 times).

Re: 10,000 - since this is a SOFTWARE program - VERY VERY VERY EXTREMELY easy to do via micropayments. And yes - there IS a connection. You tag & tokenize the models - and then that is how you get paid. I actually DO know how to do that. It is VERY easy to do. I guess you don't have the technical background/expertise to understand that - which is fine - I do. And I am telling you - it is VERY easy to implement - it is simply a matter of doing it. Of course - the people running the "ai" companies want you to think you "can't" - but that is a load of crap - they want you to think that because then it makes it easier for them to try and steal your stuff from you.
« Last Edit: October 03, 2024, 19:38 by SuperPhoto »

« Reply #56 on: October 04, 2024, 11:56 »
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I have been opted out since they offered that option. Yet I still received a dataset payment. It was as big as the $38 dollars I made all year on P5 with about 6k assets.

Uncle Pete

  • Great Place by a Great Lake - My Home Port
« Reply #57 on: October 04, 2024, 12:45 »
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The people behind the "AI" (which is not a thinking machine, and it is for the most part a jewish/"identify"asjewish consoratorium of people) are engaged in a combination of massive theft, and then trickery/deception/manipulation/etc to try to get you 'out' of business for a teensy tiny payment - because they want a "in-perpetuity" model where people use THEIR stuff, NOT yours.


Really? No discussion from you, with attacks like that, are worth answering.

I'll just quote you:

And the psychos LOVE playing "the victim"  to make them appear above reproach. They are prolific liars, and when/if confronted - tend to double down on their lies to try and confuse the person challenging them - because most (normal) people are good people, and find it really difficult to believe there could be such psychotic sociopathic liars. Sadly though, they do exist - and a good portion of them pushed this total con (surprisingly) on most of the world.



« Reply #58 on: October 04, 2024, 15:58 »
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Really? No discussion from you, with attacks like that, are worth answering.

I'll just quote you:

Lol. Huh? Your statements make no sense... What "attack" are you talking about, and on whom? Are you somehow implying that your lack knowledge on the subject matter means that anyone educating you on something you don't know, and/or contrary to your belief system is an 'attack' on you? And the 2nd quote - if you are referring to that same consoratorium - yes - that is correct - they do like playing the victim, and do indeed double down on lies... but that also for convid...

You keep repeating (different threads) that you believe (albeit incorrectly) users can't be compensated, and don't seem to like hearing anything to the contrary. Just because you 'believe' it doesn't mean its a fact. The fact is - users can actually be compensated, in perpetuity, for the usage of their images & videos in various models. Of course - if you read bloomberg all day (the same people working together with the 'ai' companies, and presenting the 'ai' stuff as "impartial news" when in fact its promoting their partners products & services) - then perhaps you might believe that. But that belief is all it is, a belief, and it is incorrect. Users actually CAN be compensated fairly, and it is a matter of integrating into the products. Do you not want photographers and videographers to be compensated fairly for their work? Are you against that?

If you'd like to clarify what you are trying to say, because again your response makes no sense. You should read up though on the people who own the companies, look into their backgroudns - as well as review the actual algorithms (not the bloomberg articles, but actual tech articles) on how the 'ai' actually works...
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« Reply #59 on: October 04, 2024, 15:59 »
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Uncle Pete

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« Reply #60 on: October 09, 2024, 12:47 »
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Perfect quote, since I might as well be writing to an empty black mirror.

Speaking of ignoring and repeating? You didn't answer?

You
go to a mechanic and he replaces your rotors and brake pads. You pay for the parts and labor. Then you should pay him a fee, monthly, every time you use the brakes on your car?  :o

A parallel would be, the AI software PAYS to use your image, one time, and only one time, why do you expect to get paid, every time the software creates a new image, which is made without accessing or using your image again? They have paid for the parts and labor.

The images are used one time, to create a model and that machine learning model, creates the new images. Your images, and mine, are never USED again. Single Use.


 

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