Author Topic: Dataset earnings - opt out (Read 7249 times)

stoker2014 · « **Reply #25 on:** April 15, 2023, 03:41 »

Shutterstock, as I understand it, was going to pay once every six months. Will pond5 pay every month?

Shutterstock:
"How will I get paid?
Earnings from datasets and downloads of AI-generated content produced with integrated technology on our platform are pooled in a collective fund and will be distributed every 6 months. If you have generated earnings from the fund, you will see those posted in your Earnings Summary, in the "Contributor Fund" column. Payouts will happen every 6 months and will include both earnings from data deals as well as royalties from AI-generated content created with the tool on our platform."

stoker2014 · « **Reply #26 on:** April 15, 2023, 03:50 »

And what does Pond5 pay for, for a photo or for a video? How to understand?

Orchidpoet · « **Reply #27 on:** April 15, 2023, 10:41 »

I have just opted out my exclusive contents. Too bad I did not know the option earlier.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #28 on:** April 15, 2023, 13:52 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 15, 2023, 03:38

I have all inclusive. But Shutterstock doesn't pay me anything for this. Why? Pond5 pays, but Shutterstock doesn't.

Are you one of the people who disables their portfolio then enables it again, then disables it and waits a month and enables again? SSTK may have licensed the data during the time when you had disabled your port?

Quote from: Orchidpoet on April 15, 2023, 10:41

I have just opted out my exclusive contents. Too bad I did not know the option earlier.

No one did in either case. We were not told until after SS used the images. We were not notified until after P5 had allowed the use.

Nice trick is, once they have used all they need in the first round, any of us opting out will most likely be for only new images? Often known as closing the barn door after the livestock has escaped. We got pennies, they have used them and we can opt out. If they are already used, what are we opting out of?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #29 on:** April 16, 2023, 03:25 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 15, 2023, 13:52

Are you one of the people who disables their portfolio then enables it again, then disables it and waits a month and enables again? SSTK may have licensed the data during the time when you had disabled your port?

No, I never turn anything off, I always have everything on. I always need extra money.

cascoly · « **Reply #30 on:** April 16, 2023, 06:19 »

Quote from: cloudvisual on April 12, 2023, 12:51

Opt out? I just got $85... My footage isn't going to change the world, nor is it going to slow anything down if I opted out. I'll take the money thanks

really funny - same people who whine about not getting paid for using their images now complain when someone tries to pay them?

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #31 on:** April 16, 2023, 12:52 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 16, 2023, 03:25

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 15, 2023, 13:52
Are you one of the people who disables their portfolio then enables it again, then disables it and waits a month and enables again? SSTK may have licensed the data during the time when you had disabled your port?
No, I never turn anything off, I always have everything on. I always need extra money.

Well there goes that theory.

There were a couple of people over the years who thought that disabling their port would make things sell better on others, or that when they enabled, it would make them somehow get re-ranked. Neither made any sense at all.

Another guess is, SS the first distribution, was only images and not video. While P5 was everything. I don't know that, just a guess why someone with thousands of videos wouldn't get one use from SSTK.

To answer another question that came up. SS said they will be paying every 6 months.
EMAIL 12/30/22

Why we are doing this: Generative content would not be possible without contributing artists, and Shutterstock believes contributors should be rewarded. To recognize our artists’ contributions, we will be paying royalties for the role artists’ IP plays in the development of generative AI models trained on Shutterstock’s library as well as for ongoing licensing activity of AI-generated content by Shutterstock’s content generation tool.

How it works: The Contributor Fund will release earnings every 6 months, and will include contributor earnings for:

Data deals with companies like OpenAI or LG AI Research for AI model training
Ongoing revenue from customer licensing of AI-generated content created using Shutterstock's AI content generation tool

For data deals, a portion of the contract value is paid to all contributors involved, distributed proportionally by the number of assets and metadata a contributor has included in the deal. For generative licensing, a portion of every customer license for generative content is paid out to the contributors whose content was used to train that particular model (eg. OpenAI or LG AI Research). Generative licensing also distributes earnings proportionally by the number of assets and metadata a contributor had included in the original data deal.

P5 has said nothing about how often. (that I've seen) If you click the FAQ on P5 for AI Datasets and use, it takes us to the SS page about the use and compensation.

Personal opinion / best guess is every six months, just like SS.

Find out after July 1st.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #32 on:** April 17, 2023, 05:05 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2023, 12:52

To answer another question that came up. SS said they will be paying every 6 months.

Yes, that's right, it's still early for SS. Unlike Pond5, I also have a lot of photos on SS.
I asked pond5 how often, they said once every 3 months. So I got money for Pond5 in April.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #33 on:** April 17, 2023, 06:13 »

Now the question is how long artificial intelligence will pay me. Or at one time recycle the entire portfolio. $:-\$

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #34 on:** April 17, 2023, 12:46 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on April 17, 2023, 05:05

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 16, 2023, 12:52
To answer another question that came up. SS said they will be paying every 6 months.
Yes, that's right, it's still early for SS. Unlike Pond5, I also have a lot of photos on SS.
I asked pond5 how often, they said once every 3 months. So I got money for Pond5 in April.

LOL and once they have taken every image, how many new ones will they be using in the next round? Just like someone else pointed out, if they use all the images and then allow an opt out, how does that help any of us, after the fact? SS and P5 have already taken what they wanted.

Interesting that P5 says every three months. Doesn't help me, but still interesting.

Stephan · « **Reply #35 on:** April 17, 2023, 13:54 »

Is this a monthly payout or how it goes?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #36 on:** April 17, 2023, 14:14 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 17, 2023, 12:46

Interesting that P5 says every three months. Doesn't help me, but still interesting.

The same as the SS undertook to pay every 6 months. I asked Pond how often I would receive payments for artificial intelligence, I was told that every 3 months. But if they have already raked everything out, then I probably won’t.

crispar · « **Reply #37 on:** May 15, 2023, 12:31 »

I wonder if those data earnins are a once per year earnings or an every month thing?

pancaketom · « **Reply #38 on:** May 16, 2023, 16:31 »

Quote from: crispar on May 15, 2023, 12:31

I wonder if those data earnins are a once per year earnings or an every month thing?

or maybe just once, and it already happened.

gnirtS · « **Reply #39 on:** August 02, 2023, 00:28 »

Probably missing something obvious here but i don't see a Dataset opt in/out box in my P5 preferences page (?)

My port is entirely video if that matters.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #40 on:** August 02, 2023, 11:26 »

Quote from: gnirtS on August 02, 2023, 00:28

Probably missing something obvious here but i don't see a Dataset opt in/out box in my P5 preferences page (?)

My port is entirely video if that matters.

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences

Lower Left two boxes above [SUBMIT] ? "Make my content available for Dataset Earnings"

Unless it's not there for you.

dragonblade · « **Reply #41 on:** August 02, 2023, 15:40 »

I find it strange that they didn't ask us permission about this first. And I don't recall any e-mail being sent out explaining what is going on with this plan involving artificial intelligence 'learning' from our own images and the compensation. It's like we're almost being kept in the dark about it.

pancaketom · « **Reply #42 on:** August 03, 2023, 00:06 »

Quote from: dragonblade on August 02, 2023, 15:40

I find it strange that they didn't ask us permission about this first. And I don't recall any e-mail being sent out explaining what is going on with this plan involving artificial intelligence 'learning' from our own images and the compensation. It's like we're almost being kept in the dark about it.

As far as I know that is how all of the sites have done it - made deals, sold the data, then maybe paid us a bit, and maybe offered an opt out after the data has been sold at least once.

gnirtS · « **Reply #43 on:** August 03, 2023, 09:50 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on August 02, 2023, 11:26

Quote from: gnirtS on August 02, 2023, 00:28
Probably missing something obvious here but i don't see a Dataset opt in/out box in my P5 preferences page (?)

My port is entirely video if that matters.

https://www.pond5.com/my-preferences

Lower Left two boxes above [SUBMIT] ? "Make my content available for Dataset Earnings"

Unless it's not there for you.

Cheers, not sure how i missed it the first 20 times i read that screen!

Im already opted out though oddly.

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