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« on: August 14, 2014, 06:48 »
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Seriously, they have all it takes to win - great interface, search, fresh content, recognizable brand, contributors' support. The last one may turn out to be the most important these days. Pond5 give fair 50%, allow to set your own prices and have clear distribution network.

What do you think? Maybe this is THE ONE which we should support the most? Not jokers like graphicleftover (the name speaks for itself) or other newcomers that have no idea what they are doing.

Cheers!



« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2014, 07:17 »
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With the freedom that pond5 offers for the contributors it would be great if they made into the top level. But I think with photos, they still have a long way to go. At least for me, the income is over 90% from video.

« Reply #2 on: August 14, 2014, 07:17 »
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I like pond5. I like the 50% royalties that should be it for every single microstock agencies. Sadly it's not. I wish buyer will comme a lot to Pond5 !

stocked

« Reply #3 on: August 14, 2014, 07:25 »
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Video-wise they are a if not the leader!

Photos-wise it's a very different story but there is hope!

Tror

« Reply #4 on: August 14, 2014, 07:35 »
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In Video? Yes!

Thanks to Pond5 I only upload to two other Video sites and skip all the rest with questionable royalties/policies.
Uploading should be easier = a nice batch upload interface and I`m in heaven :D

« Reply #5 on: August 14, 2014, 07:54 »
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I am glad I saw this thread. I have had six sales this month of still shots.  The key is that my commission was $6-$9 per image, so that means that at least some buyers are willing to pay more than those thieves at Fotolia and DP.  I am ALL FOR P5 and, at this point, support them fully.  They get all of my video and my stills and have all of my support.  I will take the clunky site if all they do is get sales up. For P5 they need a hook, though. Pricing is a powerful weapon as Oleg clearly knows. The question we can potentially help P5 with in this forum is to give ideas around differentiation that doesn't require $1 for an image or a 3% commission like DP. In my mind the big question is how can we help P5 hook buyers in the face of $1 and/or 3%?

« Reply #6 on: August 14, 2014, 08:06 »
+2
The great advantage is that they are multimedia stock library. Yes, I know Fotolia, SS also offer footage, and/or music etc, but in Pond5 it is somehow more visible, better integrated and interconnected. That's my impression.

« Reply #7 on: August 14, 2014, 08:22 »
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Seriously, they have all it takes to win - great interface, search, fresh content, recognizable brand, contributors' support. The last one may turn out to be the most important these days. Pond5 give fair 50%, allow to set your own prices and have clear distribution network.

... horrendous site design for buyers,  lousy interface for sellers, unable to stop input mechanism from converting uppercase letters to lowercase after years of requests ...

They have things to work on.

« Reply #8 on: August 14, 2014, 09:03 »
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Seriously, they have all it takes to win - great interface, search, fresh content, recognizable brand, contributors' support. The last one may turn out to be the most important these days. Pond5 give fair 50%, allow to set your own prices and have clear distribution network.

... horrendous site design for buyers,  lousy interface for sellers, unable to stop input mechanism from converting uppercase letters to lowercase after years of requests ...

They have things to work on.

Sean, I gotta be honest, most of the time I find you a bit too harsh to people and agencies both. But, my god, this ridiculous inability to carry over capital letters is... man... you are letting them off too easy here. What *idiots*. Leaders? Please. They appear to be worse engineers than me, and I am a goddamn lawyer.

« Reply #9 on: August 14, 2014, 09:09 »
+3
Seriously, they have all it takes to win - great interface, search, fresh content, recognizable brand, contributors' support. The last one may turn out to be the most important these days. Pond5 give fair 50%, allow to set your own prices and have clear distribution network.

... horrendous site design for buyers,  lousy interface for sellers, unable to stop input mechanism from converting uppercase letters to lowercase after years of requests ...

They have things to work on.

Obviously, it did not bother buyers that much, as Pond5 is indeed the leader in selling videos, Shutterstock might have caught up a little but stays behind again now, at least for me. And i have substantial numbers to be statistically significant.
As for the seller interface it may be different from other sites that we are used to, but i find it much easier to use. In fact if you submit photos with IPTC, all you need to do is to select all, set a price and send to curator, three clicks, no matter how many photos. In SS for example, you would have to copy and paste the tittle and keywords in for each image if they are different.
The rest are trivial  actually. As i mentioned many times before, no agency can be perfect, the reason why Pond5 can still afford to pay us a fair rate is because they dont have a battalion of employees to feed. We have to see the more important things and be less demanding on smaller issues.
I think Pond5 deserves most of our support. How do you think Pond5 photo sale would be able to pick up if every contributors continue to upload to agencies like DP,FT who sell the same images at very low prices? If the image collection on Pond5 is much smaller than that of other cheap-selling agencies, what kind of stunt you think Pond5 could pull to sell them at a much higher price?
If everybody just wait until Pond5 get good records of photo sale to upload their images, it not gonna happen. Pond5 is fair, and we need to be fair too.

« Reply #10 on: August 14, 2014, 09:11 »
+5
Removing model releases from an image is a pain.  The whole "checkbox images" and then use a pulldown to select an action, which pops up another window, which I have to hide, is annoying.  It's just little things that bug me about it.  I still do it, because I get some sales, so I'm not a hater, but I want to see them improve.

« Reply #11 on: August 14, 2014, 09:14 »
+1
Seriously, they have all it takes to win - great interface, search, fresh content, recognizable brand, contributors' support. The last one may turn out to be the most important these days. Pond5 give fair 50%, allow to set your own prices and have clear distribution network.

... horrendous site design for buyers,  lousy interface for sellers, unable to stop input mechanism from converting uppercase letters to lowercase after years of requests ...

They have things to work on.

Sean, I gotta be honest, most of the time I find you a bit too harsh to people and agencies both. But, my god, this ridiculous inability to carry over capital letters is... man... you are letting them off too easy here. What *idiots*. Leaders? Please. They appear to be worse engineers than me, and I am a goddamn lawyer.

Not that they are incapable of doing that, i dont think so, rather, they have lots of other things much more important to do. Look at the footage gallery icon of contributors in SS, it's been broken since like ... years? it's not fixed still, you also think they are not capable of fixing it?

Tror

« Reply #12 on: August 14, 2014, 10:05 »
+2
Seriously, they have all it takes to win - great interface, search, fresh content, recognizable brand, contributors' support. The last one may turn out to be the most important these days. Pond5 give fair 50%, allow to set your own prices and have clear distribution network.

... horrendous site design for buyers,  lousy interface for sellers, unable to stop input mechanism from converting uppercase letters to lowercase after years of requests ...

They have things to work on.

True. Same goes for the need that you have to downsize the videos for yourself and the site does not do it automatically. Truly retro :-) However, I hope they listen. I prefer a site with technical issues rather than a site with political ones...

« Reply #13 on: August 14, 2014, 10:27 »
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Quote
Do you think Pond5 is going to be a leader?

In video, sure.

In everything else, not unless they commit to focusing more effort and attention to those parts of the business. Right now I do better at Crestock than Pond5, which says a lot considering I don't even upload to Crestock anymore.

Right now I feel like vectors and photos are just an afterthought for Pond5. Like they heard people wanted that stuff so they opened the doors for it, but then never went any further.

« Reply #14 on: August 14, 2014, 11:21 »
+2
given the current situation?
- ss...ft..dt..bt.., oh well, u know it already , no need 2 give u a replay .

why not?
any site that is brave enough to take on the task to  win contributors confidence
and more important, proof of potential higher earnings.

BUT u have to show them the money , or else it's vapour as always.
they have seen too many promises and no signs of earning, i think it is a grand task,
but not impossible, given the current displeasures of the top 4 and sleeping or comatose old-school in the middle.
not to mention Oringer's sighting on music now and Offset. ss seat is open for the one who
can seize it.


it will be nice to see new blood take off, ...  Canva, Pond5, and the other sites introducing themselves lately. i am sure contributors are waiting to get some transfusion for sure.

negativity? well, if u have lived through all this jumping through hoops with Getty, is , ss, ft, bs..
(feel free to add to the list i compiled from the readings on msg here)
i really cannot blame anyone for be negative or to be more specific, skeptical.
« Last Edit: August 14, 2014, 11:27 by etudiante_rapide »

MxR

« Reply #15 on: August 14, 2014, 11:35 »
+4
the photo upload system is a kind of medieval torture

« Reply #16 on: August 14, 2014, 15:04 »
+5
They'll only be the leader if a large amount of talented contributors decide to put their work only on Pond5.  If people continue to put all of their work on all of the sites, the cheapest sites will win out in the long run.  I think it's really that simple. 

« Reply #17 on: August 14, 2014, 15:17 »
+1
They'll only be the leader if a large amount of talented contributors decide to put their work only on Pond5.  If people continue to put all of their work on all of the sites, the cheapest sites will win out in the long run.  I think it's really that simple.

Audi has a point there, but i wonder.

is there anyone here who has the same portfolio with all of the sites?
if u r, can u provide us with who amongst the list to the right of this page are the
cheapest sites
?
and with that, provide the evidence that in fact, the cheapest sites win out.

« Reply #18 on: August 14, 2014, 15:21 »
0
They'll only be the leader if a large amount of talented contributors decide to put their work only on Pond5.  If people continue to put all of their work on all of the sites, the cheapest sites will win out in the long run.  I think it's really that simple.

Audi has a point there, but i wonder.

is there anyone here who has the same portfolio with all of the sites?
if u r, can u provide us with who amongst the list to the right of this page are the
cheapest sites
?
and with that, provide the evidence that in fact, the cheapest sites win out.
I think most nonexclusive contributors put most of their work on multiple sites.  Maybe there are some contributors that only put their best work on x site and only put their worst work on y site but I don't think that's anywhere close to the norm.  Most sites are worse than P5 if you look at pricing and royalty rate and many sites are selling a lot more licenses  than P5.

« Reply #19 on: August 14, 2014, 18:23 »
+5
They'll only be the leader if a large amount of talented contributors decide to put their work only on Pond5.  If people continue to put all of their work on all of the sites, the cheapest sites will win out in the long run.  I think it's really that simple.

Audi has a point there, but i wonder.

is there anyone here who has the same portfolio with all of the sites?
if u r, can u provide us with who amongst the list to the right of this page are the
cheapest sites
?
and with that, provide the evidence that in fact, the cheapest sites win out.
I think most nonexclusive contributors put most of their work on multiple sites.  Maybe there are some contributors that only put their best work on x site and only put their worst work on y site but I don't think that's anywhere close to the norm.  Most sites are worse than P5 if you look at pricing and royalty rate and many sites are selling a lot more licenses  than P5.

I upload to multiple sites, but the sites I feel meet a higher criteria get my newest work. Those that I want to support and I hope grow bigger are my next priority. Sites that make me money, but don't have the best terms are the lowest priority (they don't really get any new work). I can't say it works or doesn't work, but you have to start trying to improve things somewhere I guess.

« Reply #20 on: August 14, 2014, 19:00 »
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still, we have 2 b specific here , as EMike reminds me that P5 is more on vids than photos.
so personally, i would say i like 2 c a site like Canva replace ss  ;)

i think it's time the oldschool get replaced, so they r mostly sleeping.
so perharps Canva replace SS n Stocksy replaces IS.
that leaves 4 empty spots (ft, 123, dt, bt,) for 4 new sites 2 chime-in.  so long as they r not the ones planning to drop prices, i m sure contributors will
like 2 see them succeed. as already seen, Canva (on their thread) is already getting busy,
which is a good sign .

« Reply #21 on: August 14, 2014, 19:09 »
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They'll only be the leader if a large amount of talented contributors decide to put their work only on Pond5.  If people continue to put all of their work on all of the sites, the cheapest sites will win out in the long run.  I think it's really that simple.

When I visited Pond5, I saw many images that are on regular microstock sites.

I'll guess that people prefer to use image packs, subscriptions, credit packs, Dollar Photo Club, etc. when they can, so even if they see an image on P5 that they like, they'll just buy it from another site. Those subscriptions and packs are pretty powerful.

I think P5's stills would sell better if people uploaded different, better quality images there. I think stock needs more quality stratification between 35 cent microstock and really expensive RM.

« Reply #22 on: August 14, 2014, 19:13 »
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I think P5's stills would sell better if people uploaded different, better quality images there. I think stock needs more quality stratification between 35 cent microstock and really expensive RM.

amen 2 that. u took the words right out of my mouth Ava Glass. only u said it so much better.

« Reply #23 on: August 14, 2014, 20:51 »
+1
I like pond5. However from the sales point, it seems Pond5 is no where going to be the leader. I wish it would

« Reply #24 on: August 15, 2014, 02:21 »
+7
Seriously, they have all it takes to win - great interface, search, fresh content, recognizable brand, contributors' support. The last one may turn out to be the most important these days. Pond5 give fair 50%, allow to set your own prices and have clear distribution network.

Once again, a contributor over estimates the importance of contributors' support for success of a company. To be successful, a company first and foremost must find customers...

I like Pond5 but if you also read their press release, you will notice that they are forecasting to make about $20 million in revenue this year. Compare that to the $300 million Shutterstock is making or $800-900 million Getty is making.

Even if Pond5 is growing 100% per year (and why should they...) it would take them until 2018/19 to become an important player in the market. I wish they can do that but it's a very long way to go.

« Reply #25 on: August 15, 2014, 03:49 »
0
Their interface to submit photos is just terrible.
Seem its selling video much better than photos (I have only photos) and this year they are not even in my top10.
But I still like the ability to set my own prices and 50% commission.

« Reply #26 on: August 15, 2014, 05:17 »
+2
     In my opinion the key to Pond 5's success is linked directly to the contributors and giving each image/clip a true/accurate evaluation of  its' value. How much is it really worth to the average buyer? Is your assessment too high? I think it's a good idea to periodically allow Pond5 staff to set the price for an image/video clip. That'll give you a "second opinion" on your general assessment.

« Reply #27 on: August 15, 2014, 08:06 »
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They'll only be the leader if a large amount of talented contributors decide to put their work only on Pond5.  If people continue to put all of their work on all of the sites, the cheapest sites will win out in the long run.  I think it's really that simple.

Every time I see your call sign, Audi 5000, I think of the movie "Step Brothers". "That's it, I'm Audi 5000, later"....something along those lines. Welcome back.

« Reply #28 on: August 15, 2014, 10:06 »
-1
My experience shows Pond5 is a leader! Of course I'm referring to video sales. For me they consistently earn the highest monthly payout through solid sales and a fair royalty percentage.
The ability to set your own price is a big plus!

They were very late getting into still images so I think it's going to be a long uphill battle for them to make significant inroads in that market. However if you like to be treated fairly, I would certainly recommend continuing to support them by uploading your new material.

« Reply #29 on: August 15, 2014, 11:03 »
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I've had a few occasions recently where I've needed to buy stock photos.  I went to all the usual suspects (IS, SS 123rf, etc.) but was frustrated.  As an occasional image buyer I didn't want to buy a subscription or pay for credits I didn't need. 

I found the image I wanted on P5 and bought it easily and for a reasonable price.  I couldn't do that elsewhere.  If P5 could keep that simplicity for smaller buyers and add image packs at bigger discounts for larger buyers, I think they'd have a win.

« Reply #30 on: August 15, 2014, 13:11 »
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     In my opinion the key to Pond 5's success is linked directly to the contributors and giving each image/clip a true/accurate evaluation of  its' value. How much is it really worth to the average buyer? Is your assessment too high? I think it's a good idea to periodically allow Pond5 staff to set the price for an image/video clip. That'll give you a "second opinion" on your general assessment.

interesting point ATBT. but isn't P5 the site that has a SUGGESTED PRICING? or maybe it's the other newer middle player in the game.  perharps a suggested price could be introduced from the research of sold images. this will give contributors a realistic amt to set for their images...
+ if they feel their images is better  - if they feel it need a bit of discount to encourage the client to choose their image over another of the similar. 

« Reply #31 on: August 15, 2014, 13:58 »
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- if they feel it need a bit of discount to encourage the client to choose their image over another of the similar.

That's precisely the problem across the board. Agencies and contributors willingly to continually go lower and lower. Now we've pretty much reached the unsustainable level in this market. We as contributors are in the very lowest level of the food chain! In my opinion, volume selling is simply not going to work much longer for us as the producers of the work.

My new material goes to fair trade sites first. Not that I think it makes a difference but I still feel better about it!

Tryingmybest

  • Stand up for what is right
« Reply #32 on: August 19, 2014, 10:21 »
+1
I too am optimistic about Pond5. As part of the recent Pixmac acquisition, I have seen some nice little sales growing. Hoping for more growth. However, I also like GraphicLeftovers/GL Stock as well. They do not seem to be doing well, but I still support them through regular submissions. Payout is a few times yearly. 8)

Seriously, they have all it takes to win - great interface, search, fresh content, recognizable brand, contributors' support. The last one may turn out to be the most important these days. Pond5 give fair 50%, allow to set your own prices and have clear distribution network.

What do you think? Maybe this is THE ONE which we should support the most? Not jokers like graphicleftover (the name speaks for itself) or other newcomers that have no idea what they are doing.

Cheers!

« Reply #33 on: August 19, 2014, 10:32 »
+1
images sold: 0

« Reply #34 on: August 19, 2014, 10:35 »
0
I can't find my images on pixmac, though I opted in through P5. How long does it take or how does it work?

« Reply #35 on: August 20, 2014, 08:34 »
+2
I can't find my images on pixmac, though I opted in through P5. How long does it take or how does it work?


How is that so? When I go to www.pixmac.com is tells me the sites have merged to P5.

As far as sales, I have not seen one single uptick in sales since the merger, but I am mostly still images.

« Reply #36 on: August 20, 2014, 08:51 »
+1
I can't find my images on pixmac, though I opted in through P5. How long does it take or how does it work?


How is that so? When I go to www.pixmac.com is tells me the sites have merged to P5.

As far as sales, I have not seen one single uptick in sales since the merger, but I am mostly still images.


They did merge but photo sales are down after the merger, not up.

« Reply #37 on: August 20, 2014, 09:30 »
+1
I can't find my images on pixmac, though I opted in through P5. How long does it take or how does it work?


How is that so? When I go to www.pixmac.com is tells me the sites have merged to P5.

As far as sales, I have not seen one single uptick in sales since the merger, but I am mostly still images.


They did merge but photo sales are down after the merger, not up.
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Right. That's my point, as most agencies claim sales of images were technically going to rise but as I stated I have not seem any uptick in sales as a result of the merger.

« Reply #38 on: August 20, 2014, 13:59 »
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Right. That's my point, as most agencies claim sales of images were technically going to rise but as I stated I have not seem any uptick in sales as a result of the merger.

Yes, I am agreeing with you. 

« Reply #39 on: September 12, 2014, 12:44 »
+4
100 vectors on Pond5 for 8 months. 1 single sale.

Same 100 vectors on Shutterstock = $200 per month easy.

Going to answer no.

« Reply #40 on: September 13, 2014, 14:24 »
0
I like Pond5 for their contributor approach and am happy to support them despite the low sales (on stills) - but just wish that the site functioning was much better.  Uploading is a clumsy process there in my experience.

« Reply #41 on: September 13, 2014, 15:00 »
+1
I like Pond5 for their contributor approach and am happy to support them despite the low sales (on stills) - but just wish that the site functioning was much better.  Uploading is a clumsy process there in my experience.

Totally agree. While I never saw any lift in sales from the merger, P5 gets my still and video work. They pay fair. They just need more buyers. I haven't purchased anything on P5 so I don't know how friendly the UI is for buyers.

fritz

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« Reply #42 on: September 13, 2014, 17:30 »
+3
the photo upload system is a kind of medieval torture
I don't get it? It takes only 3 clicks to submit!!!!

« Reply #43 on: September 13, 2014, 17:39 »
+1
100 vectors on Pond5 for 8 months. 1 single sale.

Same 100 vectors on Shutterstock = $200 per month easy.

Going to answer no.

so i guess , based on P5 pricing (between 2.50 and 6 for smallest , 25 and 10 for the largest)
u only need to sell 8 to 20 largest size to earn the same $200 p.m. with P5

+1 ...  Mantis  They pay fair. They just need more buyers.

« Reply #44 on: November 02, 2014, 21:29 »
0
With some more advertisements (getting the Pond5 name out there) and better review times, Pond5 will be in the top tier. Just my opinion

« Reply #45 on: November 02, 2014, 23:27 »
+3
With some more advertisements (getting the Pond5 name out there) and better review times, Pond5 will be in the top tier. Just my opinion

Maybe for video.  For photos they have a loooooooong way to go. 

« Reply #46 on: November 03, 2014, 02:36 »
+2
Yesterday P5 was in TOP 4 in right poll column. Today it takes 5th place, still not bad...

I really, really wish them the best!

« Reply #47 on: November 03, 2014, 08:47 »
+2
I don't have a lot of images on P5. Uploaded there for the first time a year ago last summer (I think) and then mostly forgot about it. There was a brief spate of sales at first, then nothing for a long, looooong time. But in just the last couple of weeks, I've had a couple of sales with royalties so much better than SS or DT.

Now, I think I'll go back and upload a bunch of new stuff. Can't hurt. Might help both P5 and me.

« Reply #48 on: November 03, 2014, 14:52 »
0
I hope so. My footage sales were neck and neck at P5 and SS for quite some time. Recently SS has broken away and is now way outperforming my P5 footage. Therefore I upload to SS first.

« Reply #49 on: November 04, 2014, 11:12 »
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I too like Pond5 ... It's sad that it's not getting the traffic that other sites are because, it certainly deserves it.

« Reply #50 on: November 17, 2014, 06:08 »
0
NO !
Not with all the mess and the poor knowledge in their review-team.

Try to buy an audio and see what i mean!

« Reply #51 on: November 17, 2014, 08:22 »
0
I don't upload there as I don't make video, but I would like to see them grow. They have potencial as IS, DT and most low earners are slowly dying. P5 should make efforts to get those clients that today are heading to SS and FT. I would gladly upload my port there.

« Reply #52 on: November 17, 2014, 08:49 »
+5
I have all my images there and 250 videos. I have had 5 video sales this month and I am loving it. I think we need to stay positive about Pond 5 as they are a fair trade agency who deserves our support.  I'll admin that I don't sell too many images, but my video is starting to get a small amount of traction. So while I get hosed on DT and IS, I make it up on P5. Trade one for the other is the frustration in micro.  Growing revenue as a whole is far more challenging. If Bigstock is successful at launching their 15 cent video it will be incumbent on video contributors to yank their content from BigStock and, if necessary, from SS. However, BigStock, if successful, may heavily influence MS video as a whole. The only way to stop it is to not contribute to BigStock en masse.

« Reply #53 on: November 17, 2014, 12:16 »
+4
I have all my images there and 250 videos. I have had 5 video sales this month and I am loving it. I think we need to stay positive about Pond 5 as they are a fair trade agency who deserves our support.  I'll admin that I don't sell too many images, but my video is starting to get a small amount of traction. So while I get hosed on DT and IS, I make it up on P5. Trade one for the other is the frustration in micro.  Growing revenue as a whole is far more challenging. If Bigstock is successful at launching their 15 cent video it will be incumbent on video contributors to yank their content from BigStock and, if necessary, from SS. However, BigStock, if successful, may heavily influence MS video as a whole. The only way to stop it is to not contribute to BigStock en masse.
I agree. Pond5 is the ONE agency that we should fully support now, the ONLY fair agency there is. Besides, they have been the king in videos for a long time, not just another new start-up that we dont know about. With the recent development at BS (hence SS), we should really sort out our priorities. Please stop picking on Pond5 for small things, there are much larger problems in this industry right now.

« Reply #54 on: November 18, 2014, 09:02 »
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i really enjoy the mix of freedom and sales on pond5 very much. I sincerly hope they become just as strong in photos as they are in video.

ultimagina

« Reply #55 on: November 18, 2014, 09:46 »
+1
3 weeks and waiting for the review of my first submissions?

A leader cannot afford these delays.

« Reply #56 on: November 18, 2014, 12:57 »
0
I agree


 

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