Author Topic: From now on...P5 as absurd as Istockphoto. (Read 15355 times)

Axel Lauer · « **on:** March 18, 2014, 07:06 »

Hi,
I was a great fan of P5.

But now they become as absurd and irrational as IS or SS if it comes to rejection reasons.

1000 images of a Carnival and almost all photos show different subjects.

80% rejected and guess why....

Yes....
that famous and nuts "We can not accept similars" stuff.
In Comparison:
Depositphoto: 96% Acceptance Rate
Shutterstock: 85% Acceptance Rate

Oh Boy...P5 seems to be the next one going down

tickstock · « **Reply #1 on:** March 18, 2014, 07:20 »

ShadySue · « **Reply #2 on:** March 18, 2014, 07:24 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 18, 2014, 07:20

"80% rejected and guess why...."
Because 80% were too similar to other ones you submitted?

http://www.shutterstock.com/portfolio/search.mhtml?gallery_landing=1&gallery_id=1309612&page=1&safesearch=1&sort_method=newest

dingles · « **Reply #3 on:** March 18, 2014, 07:34 »

Images really don't sell on P5 from my experience. I wouldn't spend too much time worrying about it

Ron · « **Reply #4 on:** March 18, 2014, 07:48 »

I would worry more about buyers checking out your portfolio. I think after clicking through 5 pages of the same event, they will probably move on. Let alone 10 pages of similar images. Something to consider. I like to see variation per page. Thats why I submit certain series in batches with different images in between.

luissantos84 · « **Reply #5 on:** March 18, 2014, 08:00 »

Axel Lauer · « **Reply #6 on:** March 18, 2014, 08:30 »

@Ron
yes, i did consider that too.
Nuts that you have to do such tricks

but almost no one scrolls through ports.
people use the search or the collections.
and if i search a blue smurf on a carnival i want a blue smurf and i am not satified if do not find them because reviewers think that a blue smurf is a similar to a green gnome only because they were on the same event

@all
yep...200 photos of Tokio must be enough!!
Its one city - so every batch with more than 200 images must have duplicates / similars , right??
Why not restrict on lets say 10 images per gender?
If you have seen one portrait you have seen them all.

Sean Locke Photography · « **Reply #7 on:** March 18, 2014, 08:38 »

Honestly, how many parade snaps do they need?

luissantos84 · « **Reply #8 on:** March 18, 2014, 08:51 »

you have some nice pictures but yeah 732 looks a bit

tickstock · « **Reply #9 on:** March 18, 2014, 08:56 »

Ariene · « **Reply #10 on:** March 18, 2014, 09:13 »

Quote from: Axel Lauer on March 18, 2014, 07:06

But now they become as absurd and irrational as IS or SS if it comes to rejection reasons.

For me, absurd is when stockers upload to many similiar images from the same session and are angry because some Normal agency doesn't accept everything...
In other thread we read that agencies accept all, everything that they can... and this is wrong, bad and should not be...

Come on guys... Be serious, please!

Btw. I just got accepted almost 900 files and 15 was rejected becouse of other reasons. So I don't think we can compare P5 to iS or SS

BaldricksTrousers · « **Reply #11 on:** March 19, 2014, 00:31 »

Quote from: Axel Lauer on March 18, 2014, 08:30

@Ron
yes, i did consider that too.
Nuts that you have to do such tricks

but almost no one scrolls through ports.
people use the search or the collections.
and if i search a blue smurf on a carnival i want a blue smurf and i am not satified if do not find them because reviewers think that a blue smurf is a similar to a green gnome only because they were on the same event

@all
yep...200 photos of Tokio must be enough!!
Its one city - so every batch with more than 200 images must have duplicates / similars , right??
Why not restrict on lets say 10 images per gender?
If you have seen one portrait you have seen them all.

How many newspaper editors do you think look for blue Smurfs in an average year? And would they want a person dressed as a Smurf if they are really looking for a Smurf?
All these are good for is travel articles about Cologne, about carnivals in general or about this particular event, so they are effectively generic illustrations and all that a sub-editor needs is two or three vertical versions (facing left, right and head on) and two or three horizontal versions. As long as there is one like that, the sub will be happy. Presumably, next year someone will upload more from the same event and all of these will become redundant.
It seems to me that by having 1,000 low-value editorial images, all in the same style, all competing against each other you pretty much guarantee than none will ever get more than a single sale, whereas a submission of just half-a-dozen might have led to some of them getting two or three sales, giving them a much better position in the search.
So I think you've shot yourself in the foot. The question is - will you sell enough to cover 1% of the cost of a replacement camera, thereby covering the wear and tear on the shutter of the one you've got? Digital images aren't free to produce.
As for Tokyo, there are thousands of businesses and views, any one of which might feature in a news story at any time. Whether there would be any need for 1,000 picutures of the cherry-blossom festival taken in a single park on a single day is a different matter.

ACS · « **Reply #12 on:** March 19, 2014, 05:15 »

Quote from: BaldricksTrousers on March 19, 2014, 00:31

...It seems to me that by having 1,000 low-value editorial images, all in the same style, all competing against each other you pretty much guarantee than none will ever get more than a single sale, whereas a submission of just half-a-dozen might have led to some of them getting two or three sales, giving them a much better position in the search.
So I think you've shot yourself in the foot...

Well said.

The real "trick" is to sell more with less files.

Me · « **Reply #13 on:** March 19, 2014, 05:37 »

Try shooting a smurf that isn't blue, everyone does blue, be different and think outside the box!

MichaelJayFoto · « **Reply #14 on:** March 19, 2014, 05:56 »

I think this is the most absurd and ridiculous complaint from a contributor I have ever read. At least I can't remember one that even came close.

fujiko · « **Reply #15 on:** March 19, 2014, 06:11 »

Quote from: Axel Lauer on March 18, 2014, 08:30

@all
yep...200 photos of Tokio must be enough!!
Its one city - so every batch with more than 200 images must have duplicates / similars , right??
Why not restrict on lets say 10 images per gender?
If you have seen one portrait you have seen them all.

One photo is enough for everything, all photos are taken on Earth and are similars for being closeups of this one:

Don't you see how absurd is to compare a collection of portraits from a single theme event to a whole city, a gender or the whole portrait category?

ShadySue · « **Reply #16 on:** March 19, 2014, 06:31 »

Quote from: MichaelJayFoto on March 19, 2014, 05:56

I think this is the most absurd and ridiculous complaint from a contributor I have ever read. At least I can't remember one that even came close.

The OP has a history of coming close or even exceeding this one.

dpimborough · « **Reply #17 on:** April 01, 2014, 15:51 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 18, 2014, 07:20

"1000 images of a Carnival and almost all photos show different subjects."
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-182063054/stock-photo-cologne-germany-march-participants-of-the-carnival-parade-on-march-in-cologne.html?src=H2Gt9-yxeux4leNTjpRxCA-1-22
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-182063057/stock-photo-cologne-germany-march-participants-of-the-carnival-parade-on-march-in-cologne.html?src=H2Gt9-yxeux4leNTjpRxCA-1-23
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-182063132/stock-photo-cologne-germany-march-participants-of-the-carnival-parade-on-march-in-cologne.html?src=H2Gt9-yxeux4leNTjpRxCA-1-5

"80% rejected and guess why...."
Because 80% were too similar to other ones you submitted?

Yup seems they are getting picky though lord knows why just had a batch rejected for the same reason even though the props, lighting and angles were all different.

Four photos of the same subject 3 rejected

Goofy · « **Reply #18 on:** April 01, 2014, 17:53 »

Quote from: tickstock on March 18, 2014, 07:20

"1000 images of a Carnival and almost all photos show different subjects."
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-182063054/stock-photo-cologne-germany-march-participants-of-the-carnival-parade-on-march-in-cologne.html?src=H2Gt9-yxeux4leNTjpRxCA-1-22
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-182063057/stock-photo-cologne-germany-march-participants-of-the-carnival-parade-on-march-in-cologne.html?src=H2Gt9-yxeux4leNTjpRxCA-1-23
http://www.shutterstock.com/pic-182063132/stock-photo-cologne-germany-march-participants-of-the-carnival-parade-on-march-in-cologne.html?src=H2Gt9-yxeux4leNTjpRxCA-1-5

"80% rejected and guess why...."
Because 80% were too similar to other ones you submitted?

Is this another April Fools Joke

topol · « **Reply #19 on:** April 01, 2014, 18:08 »

Quote from: fujiko on March 19, 2014, 06:11

Quote from: Axel Lauer on March 18, 2014, 08:30
@all
yep...200 photos of Tokio must be enough!!
Its one city - so every batch with more than 200 images must have duplicates / similars , right??
Why not restrict on lets say 10 images per gender?
If you have seen one portrait you have seen them all.

One photo is enough for everything, all photos are taken on Earth and are similars for being closeups of this one:

Don't you see how absurd is to compare a collection of portraits from a single theme event to a whole city, a gender or the whole portrait category?

If the resolution is high enough, including the dimension of time, that's all we ever need

dpimborough · « **Reply #20 on:** April 11, 2014, 06:09 »

And now a batch returned for

"Title of your image is a bit vague. It is going to appeal to buyers more if it is reviewed by you and changed to something that describes more precisely the subject in the photo. Title is important piece of metadata in search results and the first thing a buyer sees along with a thumbnail. The more specific is the title, the better it could be sold"

So where one or two word titles (not image descriptions) were OK now they are not.

Jeez Louise whats going on with P5?

?

Ron · « **Reply #21 on:** April 11, 2014, 11:15 »

Shutterstock suggests short descriptive titles with not too much detail. Sounds like the opposite of P5.

Quote

Briefly describe what occurs in the image. What is the subject? Is something happening? You don‘t have to go into too much detail — save the specific details for the keywords. Take a look at the photo below as an example.

http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/rejection-reasons/whats-in-an-image-title

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #22 on:** April 20, 2014, 08:47 »

Shutterstock -
Keep in mind: titles are not searchable within Shutterstock. They are, however, helpful for subscribers in choosing the right image. Sometimes they answer questions a subscriber may have. Titles are often indexed in Google‘s image search engine, so the more relevant, the better.

Different programs, different agencies.

Ron · « **Reply #23 on:** April 20, 2014, 09:22 »

That is outdated information, it has changed 4 years ago.

I wonder what they mean with title, as they use the description field for the image title, and the description is searchable.

The title field isnt used anyway.

http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/how-to-prepare-your-first-submission it mentions that descriptions are important for SEO.

http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/image-descriptions

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #24 on:** April 20, 2014, 18:55 »

Did you read what I wrote? titles are not searchable within Shutterstock. That's from SS information for submitters.

Yes, IPTC title field is not used. For SS

Yes the IPTC title field is used for P5.

"That is outdated information, it has changed 4 years ago."

What are you talking about? What is "that"?

Quote from: Ron on April 20, 2014, 09:22

That is outdated information, it has changed 4 years ago.

I wonder what they mean with title, as they use the description field for the image title, and the description is searchable.

The title field isnt used anyway.

http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/how-to-prepare-your-first-submission it mentions that descriptions are important for SEO.

http://www.shutterstock.com/buzz/image-descriptions

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