Author Topic: My Pond5 Download Trend (Read 2880 times)

odesigns · « **Reply #25 on:** January 05, 2025, 08:01 »

Quote from: gnirtS on January 03, 2025, 08:34

I wouldnt say its worth upgrading to 4k specifically to make 4k videos though. That wouldnt be good value. The vast majority of sales are still HD (Blackbox mentions similar in its FAQs).

I would think that moving forward, frame rate might be a more valuable asset to buyers over resolution. Since you can easily and effectively upscale HD to 4K these days (I do it all the time with great results), shooting higher frame rates -- even at HD -- might be the thing that puts you on top, since you can't as easily "upscale" the frame rate without severely compromising the motion.

So, perhaps if you had a choice of shooting 30fps 4K or 120fps HD, I'd choose the latter.

cobalt · « **Reply #26 on:** January 05, 2025, 14:21 »

Again, thank you for the suggestion I have never considered doing 120fps.

But…would it not be possible to use ai to modify a 30fps clip?

Probably I do not understand it well enough.

If you can upscale with ai, couldn‘t ai also add more frames?

Maybe it makes too many mistakes?

dragonblade · « **Reply #27 on:** January 05, 2025, 16:32 »

Quote from: gnirtS on January 05, 2025, 07:30

All agencies i know of specifically ban uploading the same shoot in different resolutions.

Well yea not something I would recommend. I do export a 4k copy and a HD copy from the original 4k video and submit those to different agencies. P5 and AS get my 4k videos. I only submit HD videos to SS. It really sucks receiving say $0.25c for a HD video sale. Though I couldn't handle getting that kind of change for a 4k video sale. That would be too much of an insult. The only reason why I submit videos to SS these days is for the decent value clip sales that occur there once in a while.

odesigns · « **Reply #28 on:** January 05, 2025, 16:53 »

Quote from: cobalt on January 05, 2025, 14:21

If you can upscale with ai, couldn‘t ai also add more frames?

You can, but the AI would be making up the missing frames. For slow movement shots, it would work fine, but for high motion, it would be terrible.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #29 on:** January 06, 2025, 03:59 »

Quote from: chrisb on January 05, 2025, 03:17

Yes- I would be in a world of hurt if I hadn't started uploading to Adobe. I quit uploading to iStock for a while as i loathe their low commission rates and cheap sales, but with the massive fall of SS it has helped cushion the blow

How is your motivation for continuing m-stock generally? Are you still uploading?

chrisb · « **Reply #30 on:** January 06, 2025, 17:33 »

Quote from: Pacesetter on January 06, 2025, 03:59

Quote from: chrisb on January 05, 2025, 03:17
Yes- I would be in a world of hurt if I hadn't started uploading to Adobe. I quit uploading to iStock for a while as i loathe their low commission rates and cheap sales, but with the massive fall of SS it has helped cushion the blow

How is your motivation for continuing m-stock generally? Are you still uploading?

I still upload regularly, but have gone from editing on multiple computers to just one. At one point I was uploading around 50 clips a week, now it's a little more than 10 a week.

Fortunately I'm in my 60's and have accepted that my stock earnings will slide into oblivion. I still enjoy the creative aspect and just shoot subjects I enjoy, primarily wildlife and travel. It is difficult to plan trips that would be profitable with the reduced earnings and most trips now are to reduce my tax liability.

gnirtS · « **Reply #31 on:** January 07, 2025, 09:13 »

Quote from: cobalt on January 05, 2025, 14:21

Again, thank you for the suggestion I have never considered doing 120fps.

But…would it not be possible to use ai to modify a 30fps clip?

Probably I do not understand it well enough.

If you can upscale with ai, couldn‘t ai also add more frames?

Maybe it makes too many mistakes?

Most NLEs will do frame rate conversion. That said, Topaz generally does it better.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #32 on:** January 07, 2025, 15:29 »

Quote from: odesigns on January 05, 2025, 08:01

So, perhaps if you had a choice of shooting 30fps 4K or 120fps HD, I'd choose the latter.

Are you writing about slow motion or are you uploading 120 fps videos to stock sites?

odesigns · « **Reply #33 on:** January 07, 2025, 15:38 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 07, 2025, 15:29

Are you writing about slow motion or are you uploading 120 fps videos to stock sites?

Shooting and uploading 120. Not many take it, however. But you could always down-rez it to 60fps all while having the original 120 in your archive for future use.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #34 on:** January 07, 2025, 15:40 »

Quote from: odesigns on January 07, 2025, 15:38

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 07, 2025, 15:29
Are you writing about slow motion or are you uploading 120 fps videos to stock sites?

Shooting and uploading 120. Not many take it, however. But you could always down-rez it to 60fps all while having the original 120 in your archive for future use.

What's the point of uploading a video with 120 fps or 60 fps? There are very few such videos on stocks and few people buy them. FPS in the EU is 25, and FPS in America is 29.97. Why would a buyer need a video with 60 or 120 fps? Yes, I shoot video at 120 fps and 240 fps and 480 fps, but I convert it to 29.97 and get slow motion.
My camera shoots 4k at 120 fps, I like it, good slow motion.

odesigns · « **Reply #35 on:** January 07, 2025, 16:11 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 07, 2025, 15:40

What's the point of uploading a video with 120 fps or 60 fps?

120fps is the only frame rate that can be converted to 24, 30, or 60 without issues, duplicated frames, or any other compromises since 120 is divisible by all those standard frame rates. Thus, giving the buyer the flexibility to use a video shot at 120 in any 24, 30, or 60fps projects.

Plus, it gives the buyer the ability to choose slow motion if they wanted.

Same goes for shooting and submitting 60fps, but you can't as easily convert 60fps to 24fps. Most of my drone shots are shot and uploaded at 60fps to give the buyer a bit more flexibility.

But, at the commissions we're paid these days, it's probably not worth the trouble anymore. I basically shoot stock on my iPhone now (which coincidentally can shoot 4K 120fps).

stoker2014 · « **Reply #36 on:** January 07, 2025, 17:11 »

I upload everything only in 29.97. This fps easily transforms into 25 and 24 fps. If I shoot slow, then I shoot slow, and there can be no other ideas here.
I don't know of any projects in 60 fps. Considering that there are very few videos with 60 fps on stocks (and even less 120), I think there is not much demand for such videos.

Pacesetter · « **Reply #37 on:** January 07, 2025, 21:23 »

I'll take learnings from odesigns way over stocker2014 with regard to these topics. Good point about giving the prospective customer options.

Stocker2014, maybe if you thought more about what the customers needs are rather than your presumptions, you wouldn't be hanging on every last bit of what you can get from the free selections or data set earnings, and be selling much more of your contents.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #38 on:** January 08, 2025, 03:51 »

Pacesetter, You made me laugh. Good luck!

gnirtS · « **Reply #39 on:** January 08, 2025, 19:18 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 07, 2025, 15:40

What's the point of uploading a video with 120 fps or 60 fps? There are very few such videos on stocks and few people buy them. FPS in the EU is 25, and FPS in America is 29.97. Why would a buyer need a video with 60 or 120 fps?

Because they might want to slow it down to an unknown level or at least give them the option. Very useful for stabilising handheld shots of things and so on with slowing.

Default FPS these days really doesnt matter. Every NLE is perfectly capable of converting with no loss in quality of frames in the usual range.

cobalt · « **Reply #40 on:** January 09, 2025, 00:00 »

odesigns is greyed out. what happened?

stoker2014 · « **Reply #41 on:** January 09, 2025, 04:24 »

Quote from: gnirtS on January 08, 2025, 19:18

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 07, 2025, 15:40
What's the point of uploading a video with 120 fps or 60 fps? There are very few such videos on stocks and few people buy them. FPS in the EU is 25, and FPS in America is 29.97. Why would a buyer need a video with 60 or 120 fps?

Because they might want to slow it down to an unknown level or at least give them the option. Very useful for stabilising handheld shots of things and so on with slowing.

Default FPS these days really doesnt matter. Every NLE is perfectly capable of converting with no loss in quality of frames in the usual range.

My experience shows that we shouldn't shift our work to the buyer. We create content and only we know what we do and why. There is a lot of competition on stocks and in video too and the buyer will buy a finished product and insert it into his project faster than buy raw material and do something. Beginner stockers upload unpainted videos to stocks and they have few sales because it is easier and faster for the buyer to buy a ready-made video. This is understandable, it is easier and faster for the buyer to choose the most finished video than to think about what can be done from a raw video uploaded directly from the camera.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #42 on:** January 09, 2025, 04:28 »

Quote from: gnirtS on January 08, 2025, 19:18

Very useful for stabilising handheld shots of things and so on with slowing.

+100
So slow it down yourself, because when a buyer sees your jerky video at 60 or 120 fps, he will be horrified and will not buy it. He will not think about what will happen if slow down your video. Moreover, some video buyers (if not most) do not know how to do what you do and do not understand why they should do your work.

gnirtS · « **Reply #43 on:** January 09, 2025, 18:18 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 09, 2025, 04:28

Quote from: gnirtS on January 08, 2025, 19:18
Very useful for stabilising handheld shots of things and so on with slowing.
+100
So slow it down yourself, because when a buyer sees your jerky video at 60 or 120 fps, he will be horrified and will not buy it. He will not think about what will happen if slow down your video. Moreover, some video buyers (if not most) do not know how to do what you do and do not understand why they should do your work.

A buyer isnt going to see a jerky video at 60 or 120 fps. They see a normal video and the frame rate listed so they know they can slow it down.
The whole point is you can slow down 60/120fps far better than 30 or whatever. You have extra frames to play with. It slows down far better with higher quality.
If they dont want to slow it down they dont have to. Their NLE will automatically and effortlessly interpolate the clip into whatever frame rate they choose for their project.
There's no downside at all.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #44 on:** January 10, 2025, 04:00 »

gnirtS, great, upload videos in 60 and 120 fps! Join the ranks of the few authors who upload in this fps. Let the buyer think about what will happen if you slow down your video. After all, your video is unique and the buyer will waste his time on it.

gnirtS · « **Reply #45 on:** January 11, 2025, 11:11 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 10, 2025, 04:00

gnirtS, great, upload videos in 60 and 120 fps! Join the ranks of the few authors who upload in this fps. Let the buyer think about what will happen if you slow down your video. After all, your video is unique and the buyer will waste his time on it.

Is that even in English?! Words look correct but in a random order.

If a buyer buys a video they get a video that they can use for whatever they want in exactly the same was as a 24/25/30 or other FPS. Its going to make no difference to them at all. Just drop it into the NLE and off you go. No difference at all.

Would love you to explain how buying a 60fps video is a "waste of time" in any way for a buyer....

stoker2014 · « **Reply #46 on:** January 11, 2025, 11:23 »

Quote from: gnirtS on January 11, 2025, 11:11

Is that even in English?!

I don't know, English is not my native language.

Quote from: gnirtS on January 11, 2025, 11:11

Would love you to explain how buying a 60fps video is a "waste of time" in any way for a buyer....

I wish you could explain to buyers what huge advantages they will get if they buy videos in 60 and 120 fps! After that I would upload videos to stocks directly from the camera.

Unfortunately, few buyers think about what else can be done with the video. Usually they look at what you have uploaded and buy only what suits them for insertion into their project. Buyers from the US will not buy 25 fps videos, they are more likely to buy 29.97 videos. Buyers from the EU buy both 25 and 29.97, because they are used to the fact that stocks mostly have 29.97 videos.
Look at the portfolios of top authors, you are unlikely to find many 60 fps videos there, if at all.

gnirtS · « **Reply #47 on:** January 11, 2025, 17:19 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 11, 2025, 11:23

I wish you could explain to buyers what huge advantages they will get if they buy videos in 60 and 120 fps!

Advantages, they can better slow down and stabilise if needed. They may also me using a 60p timeline.
Disadvantages, zero. None. If they dont need the extra frames it costs nothing and has no negative effect for them.

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Buyers from the US will not buy 25 fps videos, they are more likely to buy 29.97 videos. Buyers from the EU buy both 25 and 29.97, because they are used to the fact that stocks mostly have 29.97 videos.

That really hasnt been the case for many many years now. Old style FPS is a dated TV related concept and definitely before every single NLE on the market would seamlessly convert to what was needed with no loss in quality. BB and other mass agencies all state there is no correlation between FPS and total sales or even regional sales.

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Look at the portfolios of top authors, you are unlikely to find many 60 fps videos there, if at all.

Because a lot of their kit is older and clips are older. That doesnt mean they dont shoot it. They just dont need to and its not worth upgrading for.

stoker2014 · « **Reply #48 on:** January 12, 2025, 03:15 »

gnirtS, you can also look at new works by top authors and see that they load with fps 29.97.
I do not agree that fps does not affect sales. I claim that videos with fps 60 and 120 will sell much worse than videos with fps 29.97.
You do not need to convince me of the advantages of fps 60, I am not interested. I am only guided by demand from buyers.
Write all this to buyers!

gnirtS · « **Reply #49 on:** January 15, 2025, 20:17 »

Quote from: stoker2014 on January 12, 2025, 03:15

gnirtS, you can also look at new works by top authors and see that they load with fps 29.97.

That isnt relevant at all. Their kit produces that frame rate. Its also quite likely they film for other projects and stock is a sideline. Not relevant.

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I do not agree that fps does not affect sales. I claim that videos with fps 60 and 120 will sell much worse than videos with fps 29.97.

OK you can claim that. Lets see stats and figures to back up that claim then.

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You do not need to convince me of the advantages of fps 60, I am not interested. I am only guided by demand from buyers.
Write all this to buyers!

I dont need to convince you. All i know is from my data and that of Blackbox etc (ie sample size of millions) is that it makes no difference at all to buyers what frame rate its shot in. No problem at all.

"OMG Frame Rate WRONG!!!111111" may have been an issue over a decade ago. Given nobody uses fixed frame rate analogue tv any more and NLEs exist then its not now.

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