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Instead of adressing our issues, they just rub extra salt in our wounds and have the guts to present it as a great opportunity for us. They clearly don't want to listen to us.
Which sites pay a higher percentage?
Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:41Which sites pay a higher percentage?They don't market themselves as "caring so much about artists"
Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:45Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:41Which sites pay a higher percentage?They don't market themselves as "caring so much about artists"The sites that pay more than 40% don't market themselves as caring?
Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:47Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:45Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:41Which sites pay a higher percentage?They don't market themselves as "caring so much about artists"The sites that pay more than 40% don't market themselves as caring?P5 did when they needed to attract more artists. Now they have enough material to become "just business" like everyone else.
Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:45Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:41Which sites pay a higher percentage?They don't market themselves as "caring so much about artists"I think the problem was that contributors would use Pond5 to get premium prices (prices above the market average) while at the same time selling the same product elsewhere dirt cheap. Caring for contributors just made them look stupid.
Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:50Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:47Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:45Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:41Which sites pay a higher percentage?They don't market themselves as "caring so much about artists"The sites that pay more than 40% don't market themselves as caring?P5 did when they needed to attract more artists. Now they have enough material to become "just business" like everyone else.Ok so which sites pay more than 40%?
Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:52Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:50Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:47Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:45Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:41Which sites pay a higher percentage?They don't market themselves as "caring so much about artists"The sites that pay more than 40% don't market themselves as caring?P5 did when they needed to attract more artists. Now they have enough material to become "just business" like everyone else.Ok so which sites pay more than 40%?Storyblocks (50%), Envato (45%), Dreamstime (45% for each video with more than 25 downloads), 123RF (up to 60% based on your contributor rank).
Quote from: Not Today on April 09, 2019, 00:37Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:52Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:50Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:47Quote from: swisschocolate on April 08, 2019, 11:45Quote from: tickstock on April 08, 2019, 11:41Which sites pay a higher percentage?They don't market themselves as "caring so much about artists"The sites that pay more than 40% don't market themselves as caring?P5 did when they needed to attract more artists. Now they have enough material to become "just business" like everyone else.Ok so which sites pay more than 40%?Storyblocks (50%), Envato (45%), Dreamstime (45% for each video with more than 25 downloads), 123RF (up to 60% based on your contributor rank).Storyblocks promotes its own content and third party sales get less (what % of sales are these and what % do you get?), Envato has about 2% of videos priced at $79 or more and 33% priced at $10 or less, Dreamstime takes about 50 sales of each file to reach 40% on average, 123rf you would need about 90 HD sales a year to reach 40%. I wouldn't choose any of those sites over P5 besides low sales you almost certainly won't get even the same % but if all your videos on DT have 50 sales, you get 90 HD sales a year at 123RF, and you don't contribute to any of the lower paying sites then by all means you should be upset.
Does P5 pay the same % when they sell through third party like AS and VS?
It's not applicable to video, only illustrations and photos. But I get regular payouts from CreativeMarket which allows to set your own price and pays 70% on each sale, without any "exclusivity".Following the logic of "supporting only high paying agencies" we should all move there then...
what does it matter which sites pay more or not, its about taking another pay cut"!
Quote from: Microstockphoto on April 09, 2019, 13:52what does it matter which sites pay more or not, its about taking another pay cut"!Maybe for you? I just got a raise and removed everything from places that only paid 15-20% before.I think what some people might be trying to point out is that Pond5 still pays double what most of the industry calls standard.Yes you are right, they did cut commissions. Seems to be SOP for Microstock sites doesn't it. Then we write messages on the forum, get indigestion, get angry and nothing changes. Next month someplace else will find another way to reduce our pay and keep more for the company. Nope, I don't like it, but I'm not going to dwell on a change that was announced March 21st by Pond5.As I have said and others also, many times, if you don't like it, don't supply them. That's not just a nasty comment. I have removed all my files from close to 20 sites. I make selective uploads based on what sites I like or don't. Which means, I stopped uploading to IS just after ESP and Getty, and I'll take the pittance they send me monthly, but I won't send anything new.We are not victims if we choose to upload or participate, on any sites. We have a choice?My choice was stick with Pond5 video exclusive, and upload what I think will do best on SS and AS for photos, sometimes toss a bone to AL or DT. That's all. I didn't like the way the others treated me, or the low commission, I walked and took my work with me.That's the only power and control we have. The choice where we allow our work to be sold. If more people did that, the little parasite and bottom feeding agencies wouldn't have the quality of materials and buyers would eventually migrate to the smaller number of better paying, good content sites.
Quote from: swisschocolate on April 09, 2019, 01:12It's not applicable to video, only illustrations and photos. But I get regular payouts from CreativeMarket which allows to set your own price and pays 70% on each sale, without any "exclusivity".Following the logic of "supporting only high paying agencies" we should all move there then...Oh yeah, thanks for the suggestion, I'm going to look.
Quote from: Uncle Pete on April 09, 2019, 12:25Quote from: swisschocolate on April 09, 2019, 01:12It's not applicable to video, only illustrations and photos. But I get regular payouts from CreativeMarket which allows to set your own price and pays 70% on each sale, without any "exclusivity".Following the logic of "supporting only high paying agencies" we should all move there then...Oh yeah, thanks for the suggestion, I'm going to look. Thanks for that @swisschocolate looks like they have an entrance limit and selective membership. Nice for starters, holding up quality standards. Not sure what kind of volume I could expect or if I'd be accepted as I see they have some pretty good conceptual and art images. Certainly not the usual Microstock material.But this is as close to that Virtual Agency as anyplace I've seen. I mean, if someone is accepted, they can upload, get put up for sale immediately, self review, 70% return on sales. I'n not sure about the details, because, for example, I see Porsche and other brands and makes of cars. Are those editorial? I couldn't quite tell how they were licensed.Meanwhile I need to make a collection of images, that might be the kind they want and make a link for that. I surely wouldn't want to have them looking at greasy pizza, cheeseburgers or burned french fries. I'm thinking along the lines of scenic and landscapes.I'd like 70% of some occasional sales just fine. Kind of like Alamy was about ten years ago.Perfect answer for the kind of agency I'd like to support, if they will take me.