Author Topic: Video - Pricing at Pond5 (Read 116337 times)

gcrook · « **Reply #50 on:** June 09, 2015, 02:43 »

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Guys there is already solution for this. Under Action dropdown menu there is "set downconverted price(video)"

Yes but i wasnt talking about the setting prices -which has been fixed like you said- i was talking about the price SEARCH where hd price gets ignored and the higher price of the 4K is the minimum price which shows in the results,again only if one does a price search eliminating lower/upper values.

tickstock · « **Reply #51 on:** June 09, 2015, 07:10 »

Quote from: Open_ on June 09, 2015, 00:25

Quote from: gcrook on June 08, 2015, 16:02
All the above plus a few clarifications if i may.

Please for heaven's sake fix the 4K+HD price search.It has forced me -as well as others- to upload 4k and hd separately for the past month cluttering my portfolio. ...
Quote from: tickstock on June 08, 2015, 13:59
Raise the minimum pricing at least to $50 for HD and $100 for 4K.
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I'd like to set prices for 4k and HD instead of the automatic pricing.

Guys there is already solution for this. Under Action dropdown menu there is "set downconverted price(video)"

Thank you for that. It's not the most intuitive and I would still rather do it at the same time I set the price for 4K but it does work.

WeatherENG · « **Reply #52 on:** June 09, 2015, 23:13 »

Quote from: dealwork on January 23, 2015, 21:16

Can we hear the opinions of people who works for Pond5, in regarding of this issue. Why leaving us the choice of what price to set for footage if the best selling clips are 69$? Someone puts 5$, someone 300$, what this looks like... Why not set a fixed price and accept only the file that meet the criteria.

You don't want the freedom to set your own price and adjust that price according to market conditions of the day or how much work you put into making that product? A raising of the min price perhaps but having that freedom is a good thing no?.

I have two collections of rather high priced content that could be used for works on personal injury law and road safety in winter and then the bulk of my weather and on campus/students collection is batch price in that average range of $66.95 but my two higher priced collections reflect the value of the product, it's not easy to get this stuff and the time and effort I put into it. I kinda like the pricing freedom at P5.

M
Here are the two expensive collections:

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A988461.html?filter=psd

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A1013880.html?filter=psd

http://www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

Mantis · « **Reply #53 on:** June 10, 2015, 06:13 »

Quote from: WeatherENG on June 09, 2015, 23:13

Quote from: dealwork on January 23, 2015, 21:16
Can we hear the opinions of people who works for Pond5, in regarding of this issue. Why leaving us the choice of what price to set for footage if the best selling clips are 69$? Someone puts 5$, someone 300$, what this looks like... Why not set a fixed price and accept only the file that meet the criteria.

You don't want the freedom to set your own price and adjust that price according to market conditions of the day or how much work you put into making that product? A raising of the min price perhaps but having that freedom is a good thing no?.

I have two collections of rather high priced content that could be used for works on personal injury law and road safety in winter and then the bulk of my weather and on campus/students collection is batch price in that average range of $66.95 but my two higher priced collections reflect the value of the product, it's not easy to get this stuff and the time and effort I put into it. I kinda like the pricing freedom at P5.

M
Here are the two expensive collections:

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A988461.html?filter=psd

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A1013880.html?filter=psd

http://www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

I too like the pricing freedom but I agree with most that they should set the floor to a minimum level, $30, $40, $50, whatever, and be a bit more selective and cull. I am not a fan of making a "cheap" collection, either. That just leads to danger. Look at what Bigstock is testing. That is tantamount to FOTOLIA's DPC, but for VIDEO. Horrible for the visual content industry.

WeatherENG · « **Reply #54 on:** June 10, 2015, 08:17 »

Quote from: Mantis on June 10, 2015, 06:13

Quote from: WeatherENG on June 09, 2015, 23:13
Quote from: dealwork on January 23, 2015, 21:16
Can we hear the opinions of people who works for Pond5, in regarding of this issue. Why leaving us the choice of what price to set for footage if the best selling clips are 69$? Someone puts 5$, someone 300$, what this looks like... Why not set a fixed price and accept only the file that meet the criteria.

You don't want the freedom to set your own price and adjust that price according to market conditions of the day or how much work you put into making that product? A raising of the min price perhaps but having that freedom is a good thing no?.

I have two collections of rather high priced content that could be used for works on personal injury law and road safety in winter and then the bulk of my weather and on campus/students collection is batch price in that average range of $66.95 but my two higher priced collections reflect the value of the product, it's not easy to get this stuff and the time and effort I put into it. I kinda like the pricing freedom at P5.

M
Here are the two expensive collections:

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A988461.html?filter=psd

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A1013880.html?filter=psd

http://www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

I too like the pricing freedom but I agree with most that they should set the floor to a minimum level, $30, $40, $50, whatever, and be a bit more selective and cull. I am not a fan of making a "cheap" collection, either. That just leads to danger. Look at what Bigstock is testing. That is tantamount to FOTOLIA's DPC, but for VIDEO. Horrible for the visual content industry.

Totally agree on the price floor, especially now that there is a site giving away tons of free clips (vb), those looking for low price to free clips for small projects can go there, serious paying clients can pay at least $50 or higher so no longer do I feel guilty about shutting out those who can't afford.

We have to get our heads around the fact that this is a business and a product is produced, prices rise and sometimes fall, not many businesses sell their products and services at or below cost except during sales. I was looking around at the cost of web development and design and I am exploring all options too promote my niche content that I have on pond5 and I was shocked at the costs but also impressed, they aren't giving away their talents and products for next to nothing and we shouldn't be either.

I think everyone needs to gradually inch up those prices not down, I am thinking about slightly raising my prices as well, just a little bit at a time to make it less of a shock to customers but my costs are going up not down.

M

www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

Mantis · « **Reply #55 on:** June 10, 2015, 08:23 »

Quote from: WeatherENG on June 10, 2015, 08:17

Quote from: Mantis on June 10, 2015, 06:13
Quote from: WeatherENG on June 09, 2015, 23:13
Quote from: dealwork on January 23, 2015, 21:16
Can we hear the opinions of people who works for Pond5, in regarding of this issue. Why leaving us the choice of what price to set for footage if the best selling clips are 69$? Someone puts 5$, someone 300$, what this looks like... Why not set a fixed price and accept only the file that meet the criteria.

You don't want the freedom to set your own price and adjust that price according to market conditions of the day or how much work you put into making that product? A raising of the min price perhaps but having that freedom is a good thing no?.

I have two collections of rather high priced content that could be used for works on personal injury law and road safety in winter and then the bulk of my weather and on campus/students collection is batch price in that average range of $66.95 but my two higher priced collections reflect the value of the product, it's not easy to get this stuff and the time and effort I put into it. I kinda like the pricing freedom at P5.

M
Here are the two expensive collections:

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A988461.html?filter=psd

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A1013880.html?filter=psd

http://www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

I too like the pricing freedom but I agree with most that they should set the floor to a minimum level, $30, $40, $50, whatever, and be a bit more selective and cull. I am not a fan of making a "cheap" collection, either. That just leads to danger. Look at what Bigstock is testing. That is tantamount to FOTOLIA's DPC, but for VIDEO. Horrible for the visual content industry.

Totally agree on the price floor, especially now that there is a site giving away tons of free clips (vb), those looking for low price to free clips for small projects can go there, serious paying clients can pay at least $50 or higher so no longer do I feel guilty about shutting out those who can't afford.

We have to get our heads around the fact that this is a business and a product is produced, prices rise and sometimes fall, not many businesses sell their products and services at or below cost except during sales. I was looking around at the cost of web development and design and I am exploring all options too promote my niche content that I have on pond5 and I was shocked at the costs but also impressed, they aren't giving away their talents and products for next to nothing and we shouldn't be either.

I think everyone needs to gradually inch up those prices not down, I am thinking about slightly raising my prices as well, just a little bit at a time to make it less of a shock to customers but my costs are going up not down.

M

www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

One of the things i am doing on p5 is if a clip sells, i go up the price by $10 or so. If it sells again, i go up the price another $5-$10. Ive done this a dozen or more times. They key is to be realistic with yourself based on competitive clips. But that strategy works for me. My base for simple animations is around $42, which is my lowest price. The few underwater videos i have are in the upper $90 range due to difficulty, cost and risk.

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #56 on:** June 11, 2015, 01:03 »

Absolutely agree on the price floor, but that ain't gonna happen because P5 is focusing on small markets and small buyers.
There is hardly any presence of them in the UK, Canada, Australia ...

Mantis · « **Reply #57 on:** June 11, 2015, 05:51 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 11, 2015, 01:03

Absolutely agree on the price floor, but that ain't gonna happen because P5 is focusing on small markets and small buyers.
There is hardly any presence of them in the UK, Canada, Australia ...

Without knowing their strategy, we make educated guesses. But more than likely you're right. It would be nice to know the composition of transactions broken down into a histogram based on price paid for clips.

WeatherENG · « **Reply #58 on:** June 11, 2015, 10:33 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 11, 2015, 01:03

Absolutely agree on the price floor, but that ain't gonna happen because P5 is focusing on small markets and small buyers.
There is hardly any presence of them in the UK, Canada, Australia ...

If that is part of their strategy, I stress, part of, maybe that's not a bad thing, someone need to cater to the smaller markets and buyers as well as the deep pocketed clients, I just think a slight increase to the price floor is in order, maybe $49 for HD or something close to that, for the clients who low to no budget there is all that free stuff on VB now anyways.

I also think the best way to compete for sales is to have a lot of stuff no one else has a lot of. I worked in news so I used scanners to find out where the action is, same in weather, anyone can take video of clouds but these will get you to where the action is. https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A1027988.html

Sure I shoot storm clouds as well but as one can see by looking at my collections or keyword searching I do try and find the storm damage, flooding, slippery winter stuff etc, can only shoot so much intense blizzard vis. I need to do more and better of course given the sales slump these days and sometimes it's the simple things we don't think of, there is an artist on P5 who sold a pan of bacon frying for $300.

My collection of people slipping and falling and the cars crashing came from a scanner, we had winter weather but it was a radio transmission from a local transit driver mentioning how durable these young people are at the corner of university and Sunview av, she was commenting on how icy it was, I booted it over there and a four hour stakeout later....got quite a few drops and that's good vis for anyone doing a story/doc/news piece on personal injury law, on salting your sidewalks so no to get sued, etc, if a senior took a tumble like that.

Same with my cars sliding and crashing collection, the one set of clips was right at the end of my street, had no clue until a bus driver called in that he had no braking action and sure enough just the right conditions, +20c, strong March sun melting the top layer of snow that then instantly froze and it was the slipperiest surface and no one was stopping.

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A1013880.html

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A1013880.html

http://www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

and then there are some community events, most are advertised, pretty sure I was the only one at this event shooting for stock.

https://www.pond5.com/video-sound-effects-music-after-effects-photos-illustrations-images-3d-models/1/clipbin%3A1010279.html

So at the end of the day I think we need a slight increase in price floor, we need to do our own marketing as well in addition to what the agency does for us and really start thinking about trying to film the stuff you think "oh that will never sell".

Mark

KevinM · « **Reply #59 on:** June 11, 2015, 11:11 »

LOOKS LIKE P5 SET A PRICE FLOOR.

After reading this thread, the evidence seems to show that customers will pay a wide price range for the right clip, and lowering the price on good clips won't increase sales. Also, it seems sellers have good experience lowering the price on their test shots and less unique shots. Wanting to try an experiment, I logged onto P5 and, whereas I had always just priced all HD clips at $40, I now raised my better shots to $54 and tried to lower my second-tier material to $24 - but P5 wouldn't let me, a pop-up said video has to be priced at $30 or more.

Don't know if people can price new shots lower than $30, maybe it applies only to price changes?

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #60 on:** June 11, 2015, 11:29 »

Quote from: WeatherENG on June 11, 2015, 10:33

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 11, 2015, 01:03
Absolutely agree on the price floor, but that ain't gonna happen because P5 is focusing on small markets and small buyers.
There is hardly any presence of them in the UK, Canada, Australia ...

If that is part of their strategy, I stress, part of, maybe that's not a bad thing, someone need to cater to the smaller markets and buyers as well as the deep pocketed clients, I just think a slight increase to the price floor is in order, maybe $49 for HD or something close to that, for the clients who low to no budget there is all that free stuff on VB now anyways.

From what I've seen I think they prefer smaller markets/buyers (hence cheap clips all over and no investing in sales).
I can understand to experiment in those small markets for a while, but for the company which had been around for long 10 years, I just don't get that they don't have much presence in big markets like the UK, Australia, Canada...their marketing strategy (if any) is rather weird, imho.

WeatherENG · « **Reply #61 on:** June 14, 2015, 10:19 »

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 11, 2015, 11:29

Quote from: WeatherENG on June 11, 2015, 10:33
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 11, 2015, 01:03
Absolutely agree on the price floor, but that ain't gonna happen because P5 is focusing on small markets and small buyers.
There is hardly any presence of them in the UK, Canada, Australia ...

If that is part of their strategy, I stress, part of, maybe that's not a bad thing, someone need to cater to the smaller markets and buyers as well as the deep pocketed clients, I just think a slight increase to the price floor is in order, maybe $49 for HD or something close to that, for the clients who low to no budget there is all that free stuff on VB now anyways.

From what I've seen I think they prefer smaller markets/buyers (hence cheap clips all over and no investing in sales).
I can understand to experiment in those small markets for a while, but for the company which had been around for long 10 years, I just don't get that they don't have much presence in big markets like the UK, Australia, Canada...their marketing strategy (if any) is rather weird, imho.

Wonder why not a big presence in UK, Australia, Canada? we could solve that problem for them on our own I think by promoting our work that we have on P5 to those countries? if we get some buyers aware there is good product at P5 that is reasonably priced then they should look, word gets around and more will look?

M
http://www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #62 on:** June 14, 2015, 14:38 »

Quote from: WeatherENG on June 14, 2015, 10:19

Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 11, 2015, 11:29
Quote from: WeatherENG on June 11, 2015, 10:33
Quote from: KnowYourOnions on June 11, 2015, 01:03
Absolutely agree on the price floor, but that ain't gonna happen because P5 is focusing on small markets and small buyers.
There is hardly any presence of them in the UK, Canada, Australia ...

If that is part of their strategy, I stress, part of, maybe that's not a bad thing, someone need to cater to the smaller markets and buyers as well as the deep pocketed clients, I just think a slight increase to the price floor is in order, maybe $49 for HD or something close to that, for the clients who low to no budget there is all that free stuff on VB now anyways.

From what I've seen I think they prefer smaller markets/buyers (hence cheap clips all over and no investing in sales).
I can understand to experiment in those small markets for a while, but for the company which had been around for long 10 years, I just don't get that they don't have much presence in big markets like the UK, Australia, Canada...their marketing strategy (if any) is rather weird, imho.

Wonder why not a big presence in UK, Australia, Canada? we could solve that problem for them on our own I think by promoting our work that we have on P5 to those countries? if we get some buyers aware there is good product at P5 that is reasonably priced then they should look, word gets around and more will look?

M
http://www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

Hmm...kind reminder that these guys got $61 million in funding a year ago!!!
If they don't have money to promote us in those markets I don't see the point trusting their "artist friendly PR shout".
We build them with our submissions, we trusted their sales will grow...it's time to get something in return, don't you think?
Us bragging about them is not going to bring big UK, Ozzie and Canada media fishes on board.

WeatherENG · « **Reply #63 on:** June 16, 2015, 09:12 »

Hmm...kind reminder that these guys got $61 million in funding a year ago!!!
If they don't have money to promote us in those markets I don't see the point trusting their "artist friendly PR shout".
We build them with our submissions, we trusted their sales will grow...it's time to get something in return, don't you think?
Us bragging about them is not going to bring big UK, Ozzie and Canada media fishes on board.
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I dunno.....I do think they are artist friendly, 50% commission and less hassles in getting content approved that's for sure, some might not like my work as a lot of is branded editorial but I have been looking for a second site to host my 24,000 clips just to get more exposure/sales and as a backup site. I tried SS, VB, Dissolve, and while they say they accept editorial they sure gave me a hard time about it and rejected almost everything including stuff that is not only hosted on Pond5 but sells on Pond5. www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

SS- After I wasted time proving I am not a robot they reject almost everything I uploaded, usually they want a very detailed, newsworthy and dramatic editorial caption, sorry, I am not writing for a newspaper here, unless is a major incident that people will search for by name and date, why?

VB-Say they take editorial but reject everything, they also told me I will make 100% commission but they give nearly everything away for free and if someone can't find what they are looking for they have a small paid section. Wasted effort there.

Dissolve-Rejected 100% of my content, first telling me it is not well shot and would never sell to anyone, (Sells on Pond5), did battle with then again and in one email I linked them my P5 profile as they just could not believe anything I shoot sells, their response? You could not ftp all of that to us as we wouldn't have the bandwidth. I have Rogers high speed unlimited, uploaded 24,000 clips no problem, I have three older storage drives plus my laptop which is also about 3-4 years old, no bandwidth issues, still have a fair bit of space to spare, this Dissolve company doesn't have the bandwidth?.

Overall I am happy as a contributor to Pond5, they make it super easy and hassle free, as for sales, well....I need to work on that and bring in customers to my Pond5 page.

M
https://www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

KnowYourOnions · « **Reply #64 on:** June 16, 2015, 12:14 »

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Overall I am happy as a contributor to Pond5, they make it super easy and hassle free, as for sales, well....I need to work on that and bring in customers to my Pond5 page.

M
https://www.pond5.com/artist/WeatherENG

And what they suppose to do for us, especially after 61 million in funding 1 year ago?

WeatherENG · « **Reply #65 on:** June 17, 2015, 20:51 »

And what they suppose to do for us, especially after 61 million in funding 1 year ago?

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Well they do a lot of advertising, that was an investment so there needs to be a RIO, wasn't free money, I'm just thinking out loud that in light of lower sales everywhere, we need to do our part and perhaps learn something new along the way. I will admit I have no clue how to code a website but I'm gonna have to do something.

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