Quote from: Brasilnut on May 12, 2022, 09:31

Emotions aside, I've crunched some numbers and it's clear that average RPD for clips is on freefall at SS. These are the historical stats from my port at SS (average of $12/download since 2019). Perhaps I'll be "lucky" to be earning $4/download on average from next year. Shouldn't be called RPD anymore, should be called RIP.

Meanwhile, Pond5 is holding steady at an average of $29/download since 2019. Even though volumes are 3x less than SS, average net earnings is 7x more per clip sold. 

Links to my respective ports, mainly travel editorials:

SS: https://www.shutterstock.com/g/AlexandreRotenberg/video?rid=1595060
P5: https://www.pond5.com/artist/alexandrerotenberg?tab=footage

Thank you for the honest information.

4 dollars a download versus 29 dollars on average�how will that work?

This is the reason so many artists left SS.

What is the average on Adobe? Certainly more than 4 dollars.

We will see what happens, but whatever is the average now on SS will probably be the future for pond5.

I've only ever sold 14 clips on AS. Port size = 425

Average RPI all time = $27

27 dollars is great.

I guess i should upload more to Adobe. Sadly they don�t take editorial.

(And I will keep complaining about that until they do . )

I will still upload to pond5 until I see a real change.

But it shows that being exclusive anywhere is not a good idea.

Pond5 had an iconic brand status. I hope they are allowed to keep their forum.

I echo your sentiment. I have sold video on Adobe,...but yes it would be great if they opened it up to full Editorial for video (and full Editorial for stills as well!)

Otherwise all the people who abandoned Shutterstock after their royalty cut would instantly leave Pond5 as well.

Count me as one of them.  My port at Pond 5 was officially closed today.  It's not that I hated being at P5, it's that I didn't want Oringer and his lackeys getting their hands on my content through Pond 5.  I want nothing more to do with Shitterstock and if P5 is part of that company now, then I want nothing to do with Pond 5, either.  Yes, royalty cuts will continue to come for Shutterstock and P5.  That's Shiterstock's business model: take a contributor's or non-contributor's content (or not, in the case of a recently posted lawsuit) and screw them.   

I am waiting.......yet. When * hit the fun at SS at first, I deactivated and waited to see if they would back out or at least see if they would improve their blatant robbery. They didn't, so I quit and moved all my editorial video to P5 exclusive, while I deleted all the commercial video.

Now the SS nightmare is again at my door. Will see. If they don't change things, I will stay with P5 . If they reduce contributor commission or I start to see dollar sales, I am also out to greener pastures.

Picture doesn't look good at all. We all know what a Crook Oringer is. The new appointment on board of a second hand car salesman does not point to an encouraging direction.

Quote from: Stock4Me on May 14, 2022, 09:12

Quote from: Cider Apple on May 11, 2022, 08:42

I can see this partnership in the future being just one massive subscription site. Thats where all this is heading.

A massive collection of subscription agencies that pay us almost nothing. SS will take P5 into the sewer along with their own business.

I think you have it. For a stock to be interesting to investors, the company must be growing and diversifying. This makes SSTK look better. Nothing in any of this makes me think we'll make more money or P5 will be better for being sold to SSTK. This is all about SSTK stock and values.

You make sense. However, at least from what I see, dollars AND downloads are slipping at SS relative to AS and iS....so it doesn't seem they are  doing so great from a trend perspective.

Is this finalized? Can anything be done by writing the SEC ?

I am curious - What do you think you could possibly write the SEC in this case?

Well, I think that SS has figured it out...when you pay peanuts, you get monkey material and the only way forward is to acquire decent material from others (Pond 5)....until it's suppliers are no longer prepared to provide new/professional material for the lack of reward being given....and then you have to acquire again until you run out of targets.
SS offers me no incentive to upload new material and I haven't for 2 years now. If enough others think the same way, then SS is a dying bizz which is (unfortunately) deserved.