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Agency Based Discussion => Pond5 => Topic started by: Luigiroma on October 31, 2024, 04:57
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I make exclusively videos, mostly aerial shots of monuments in Rome.
Until a few months ago I had a good income, about 30 sales per month.
In the last 3 months I have sold just 3 clips per month.
On the other hand, on Shutterstock sales have increased significantly. October is the most profitable month for me ever.
You too have noticed a heavy drop in sales.
PS. Lately I have been uploading a lot of vertical clips, but in the search by flagging "vertical" on Pond5, they are not highlighted. Here too I ask you if anyone has the same problem?
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Yes I alerted their Support to this bug a while back. The vertical videos are visible in search but bizarrely when you select the Vertical filter they are no longer visible. My observation is this problem goes away after some time of being online, maybe a couple of weeks.
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I make exclusively videos, mostly aerial shots of monuments in Rome.
Do you need a special permit to fly a drone in Rome? Or just take out your drone and fly.
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I make exclusively videos, mostly aerial shots of monuments in Rome.
Do you need a special permit to fly a drone in Rome? Or just take out your drone and fly.
Definitely permit and insurance from what I heard from a friend of mine from Italy. Same thing applies in UK
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For me that place has been the walking dead since I joined. The service was never bad but never had a sale....so far. Meh..
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Last month was my best month on Pond5 since October 2022.
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Thank you for sharing uplifting news.
I had two tiny clip sales today, so at least some movement.
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My sales on P5 since Oct 15th have been great, comparable to the pre-SS takeover days. Will be seeing the best payout on the 15th of Nov that I have had in several years, even without any more sales until then. And thankfully, they keep coming. Praying this trend is going to stick for a while.
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My sales are dead as of Jan 1. A couple of hundred against a typical 1500 a year. Something they did in Jan changed the search and I fell to the bottom. Prob SS jerking them around.
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Yes - I agree. Something seemed to have happened/changed on P5 in January.
After a decent 2023 I had one sale in 1st week of Jan. and then nothing, zip, zilch, zero, until finally 2 days ago after almost 10 months a sale finally dropped.
Maybe it will be better going forward - couldn't get a lot worse.
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For me, the main income on pond is sales through the affiliate program and royalties for training artificial intelligence.
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This year is better than 2023 for me, with an average of around 250$ per month (no new files uploaded, but I've transferred more videos to my exclusive account).
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New dataset earnings today again, we had one last month as well.
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New dataset earnings today again, we had one last month as well.
Same here. And even more than last month.
Dataset earnings pay much more than regular sales.
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me Too!
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71 dollars for 1000 clips even if they don't sell?
Fine by me. Thank you pond5.
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35 USD this time, peanuts in comparison with my 600 USD earnings in sales last month. (oct 24 was my best month ever on pond5)
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$66 this time. I was really surprised to see a dataset payment so soon after the last one.
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I’m opted out yet continue to receive dataset earnings. Sigh. What is even the point of the opt out button?
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I make exclusively videos, mostly aerial shots of monuments in Rome.
Do you need a special permit to fly a drone in Rome? Or just take out your drone and fly.
Sure, I ask for all the necessary permits, plus you have to have valid reasons to film...
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I never get 40% commission anymore, it's turned into a myth.
All my HD vids are priced at $70 but they passed onto me the following for November
$2.00
$15.60
$6.40
$6.40
Plus the scraps thrown for dataset earnings.
Thank you sire, how else may I please you?
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I never get 40% commission anymore, it's turned into a myth.
Just imagine you get 40% of the Net License Revenue rather than the list price... and you'll almost always get 40% commission!
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I make exclusively videos, mostly aerial shots of monuments in Rome.
Until a few months ago I had a good income, about 30 sales per month.
In the last 3 months I have sold just 3 clips per month.
On the other hand, on Shutterstock sales have increased significantly. October is the most profitable month for me ever.
You too have noticed a heavy drop in sales.
PS. Lately I have been uploading a lot of vertical clips, but in the search by flagging "vertical" on Pond5, they are not highlighted. Here too I ask you if anyone has the same problem?
My sales drop is inexplicable. Before I sold 30/40 clips a month, now if it does well a couple.... what's going on, are my clips not working or are you also experiencing a drop in sales?
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So, what do I see. Lately, many files are not uploaded via FTP. Pond5 has disabled its support, now all requests go to shutterstock support, which does not respond.
This is a disaster!
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As I've had steady...ish sales from P5, I decided to go exclusive with them (and Shutterstock). Since doing so, sales on P5 have crashed through the floor. Apart from 2 dataset earnings payments totalling $25, I've had no sales in the last 4 months, wilst SS sales have increased a bit.
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So, what do I see. Lately, many files are not uploaded via FTP. Pond5 has disabled its support, now all requests go to shutterstock support, which does not respond....
you must be a victim of a vast conspiracy -- i've had no problem uploading, reviews in a day or so (>90% accepted) & support from pond answers my questions
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So, what do I see. Lately, many files are not uploaded via FTP. Pond5 has disabled its support, now all requests go to shutterstock support, which does not respond....
you must be a victim of a vast conspiracy -- i've had no problem uploading, reviews in a day or so (>90% accepted) & support from pond answers my questions
A few days ago, everything changed dramatically.
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So, what do I see. Lately, many files are not uploaded via FTP. Pond5 has disabled its support, now all requests go to shutterstock support, which does not respond.
This is a disaster!
If that's what they just did to support, you have it perfectly described. 👍
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So, what do I see. Lately, many files are not uploaded via FTP. Pond5 has disabled its support, now all requests go to shutterstock support, which does not respond.
This is a disaster!
If that's what they just did to support, you have it perfectly described. 👍
Yes, pond support is no longer responding. Now probably only shutterstock support will respond, but how often and how effectively is unknown.
The people from pond support have been fired!
>:( >:( >:(
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So, what do I see. Lately, many files are not uploaded via FTP. Pond5 has disabled its support, now all requests go to shutterstock support, which does not respond.
This is a disaster!
If that's what they just did to support, you have it perfectly described. 👍
Yes, pond support is no longer responding. Now probably only shutterstock support will respond, but how often and how effectively is unknown.
The people from pond support have been fired!
>:( >:( >:(
I'll wait and see, it could be you or you location.
I wrote to P5 support and received and answer from P5 support, Yesterday. But I still believe what you have posted, as SS is very likely to kill off any useful support for us, because it costs them more than "Experts" who work for likes.
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Location doesn't matter anymore. Now questions can only be sent by email. This used to be a form where you could specify the continent.
I haven't received an answer, I've been waiting for several days. And the answer will definitely not be from the same people who answered before.
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The people from pond support have been fired!
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your evidence for this claim?
Uncle pete says he received support yesterday!
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The people from pond support have been fired!
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your evidence for this claim?
Uncle pete says he received support yesterday!
My evidence? Write any letter of support yourself, and you will see the result.
;D ;D ;D
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Just received the "Christmas good news" from pond5
Starting from january, non exclusive contributors will earn 30%, while exclusive 40%
Great, now that they have introduced the "standard" price, so it's quite useless to raise the price by ourselves
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It's exciting news time again.
While exclusive artists will earn an increased royalty of 40%
Wasn't it 60%?
lol :D
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Just received the "Christmas good news" from pond5
Starting from january, non exclusive contributors will earn 30%, while exclusive 40%
Great, now that they have introduced the "standard" price, so it's quite useless to raise the price by ourselves
That's I expected when Shutterstock purchased Pond5.
Now they are starting to ruin Pond5. Such a greedy management.
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How to increase earnings for management? any new Ideas??
Adobe Stock: introduce free collection by paying fair amount to contributors and allowing them to opt in/out option, to attract more customers...
Shutterstock: That's all crap...Just buy as many microstock agencies as possible...Keep silent for one year...Then cut the royalties for contributors...Simple solution....
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I don't know where do people put their faces who promoted for pond5 exclusivity even after Shutterstock purchasing Pond5?
What more can someone expect from a greedy agency like Shutterstock??
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I don't know where do people put their faces who promoted for pond5 exclusivity even after Shutterstock purchasing Pond5?
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I don't know where do people put their faces who promoted for pond5 exclusivity even after Shutterstock purchasing Pond5?
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I don't know where do people put their faces who promoted for pond5 exclusivity even after Shutterstock purchasing Pond5?
What more can someone expect from a greedy agency like Shutterstock??
Absolutely. After the takeover p5 made zero written commitments that they will keep the 60%.
And always remember - even if the videoclips of the entire industry had been exclusive to pond5...the owners would still have sold and just gotten a lot more money...
There were a lot of people promoting a fantasy concept of how being exclusive with p5 protects their income...after the place was sold, it was over and everyone with a normal business mind knew the 60% where on borrowed time.
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So I've been exclusive with P5 since 2020 when Shitterstock screwed us the first time. Up to this point it's been pretty good. However, I will no longer be exclusive with them after this latest announcement. The question is, where else do you upload to? How are sales and revenues on Adobe with video?
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Isn't the question if there is a high end boutique agency for the top quality content?
Wouldn't that be more logical?
Normal stuff as non exclusive for everywhere, but the top level stuff to a smaller place?
The video market is much smaller than photos. The top level people have a lot more pull.
I wouldn't get in, my stuff is too boring...
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Ive just had my first ever 0 sale P5 month.
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So I've been exclusive with P5 since 2020 when Shitterstock screwed us the first time. Up to this point it's been pretty good. However, I will no longer be exclusive with them after this latest announcement. The question is, where else do you upload to? How are sales and revenues on Adobe with video?
I am earning $600+ every month on adoy with 5000+ videos...and with same 5000+ files on pond 5 non exclusive, I am earning 0 when there were no sales, and $30-50 when I get ,1-2 sales...
I used to make $100-$200 dollars a month on pond5 3-4 years back... When I have just 500-1000 files...now it's in the 5th place out of 7 microstock sites that I contribute...
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I will donate my one months microstock earnings from all agencies... if anyone do same with greedy Shutterstock Management...
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The people from pond support have been fired!
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your evidence for this claim?
Uncle pete says he received support yesterday!
My evidence? Write any letter of support yourself, and you will see the result.
;D ;D ;D
I hate to answer as people get personal about things like this. Facts are facts, I get responses from Pond5 and a real person, not the SS "Experts". December 9th
Hello Pete,
Thanks for reaching out to our support team. Our Pond5 CS team is still here, and we apologize for the wait time. We have moved over to a new system, and are still getting aquatinted with navigating this system and still trying to get through our backlog. We are severely behind due to an influx of tickets as well as learning a new system, but working diligently to reply as soon as possible.
We thank you for being patient with us during this transition.
I see you are still pending a reply regarding 183 files that require Press Credentials. I have reached back out to our curation team for a follow up. As soon as I hear back from them, I will send you an update.
Thank you for your support and understanding during this time.
Cheers,
Sara
So... maybe it's you or your location. (https://i.postimg.cc/YqC3vC8g/cheers.gif)
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Uncle Pete, ok. Although I haven't received a response yet, you've given me hope. It means Shutterstock has moved them to their site. They used to respond within a few hours, now I've been waiting for almost a week. But judging from your letter, they haven't been fired.
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So... maybe it's you or your location. (https://i.postimg.cc/YqC3vC8g/cheers.gif)
No, it's just that my questions are more complex than yours, they are technical in nature. And how they will solve them is not yet known.
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So... maybe it's you or your location. (https://i.postimg.cc/YqC3vC8g/cheers.gif)
No, it's just that my questions are more complex than yours, they are technical in nature. And how they will solve them is not yet known.
You can read my questions now? ;D Yes, my question was about their system, submission and reviews, Editorial and things that I do, so it wasn't technical "technically". The reply took a week. But in other instances, they have been faster and gave personal responses, not some boilerplate "expert" who probably knows less than you or I about how SS works, and then says, they will forward the question to someone else, which means two things: 1) It's going into a black hole and we'll never see an answer OR 2) It's going to the real SS assistance people. Where they will file it as #1 on their priority list. (see #1 here)
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You can read my questions now? ;D
After reading their response it is obvious to me why you wrote to them. So the answer is yes.
Yes, my question was about their system, submission and reviews, Editorial and things that I do, so it wasn't technical "technically". The reply took a week. But in other instances, they have been faster and gave personal responses, not some boilerplate "expert" who probably knows less than you or I about how SS works, and then says, they will forward the question to someone else, which means two things: 1) It's going into a black hole and we'll never see an answer OR 2) It's going to the real SS assistance people. Where they will file it as #1 on their priority list. (see #1 here)
I didn’t get an answer from them, which means they have problems, which means we may no longer see a quick solution to any issues, as was the case before. We don't see it yet.
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Ive just had my first ever 0 sale P5 month.
I have been skunked 10 of 12 months in 2024. I have about 2,500 vids and 3,000 images.
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You can read my questions now? ;D
After reading their response it is obvious to me why you wrote to them. So the answer is yes.
Yes, my question was about their system, submission and reviews, Editorial and things that I do, so it wasn't technical "technically". The reply took a week. ....
I didn’t get an answer from them, which means they have problems, which means we may no longer see a quick solution to any issues, as was the case before. We don't see it yet.
No it just means YOU havent gotten a response & from that you claimed they had fired their support!
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You can read my questions now? ;D
After reading their response it is obvious to me why you wrote to them. So the answer is yes.
Yes, my question was about their system, submission and reviews, Editorial and things that I do, so it wasn't technical "technically". The reply took a week. ....
I didn’t get an answer from them, which means they have problems, which means we may no longer see a quick solution to any issues, as was the case before. We don't see it yet.
No it just means YOU havent gotten a response & from that you claimed they had fired their support!
The way the pond support works now is equivalent to dismissal.
But you write to them, write, maybe they will answer you. ;D ;D ;D
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I have been uploading to Stock sites for about 2 years. I have about 1000 videos on Pond5. Mostly travel videos. Up until now, my video has only been sold once. I received funding payments 3 times. So there are almost no sales. Is this normal?
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I have been uploading to Stock sites for about 2 years. I have about 1000 videos on Pond5. Mostly travel videos. Up until now, my video has only been sold once. I received funding payments 3 times. So there are almost no sales. Is this normal?
It has become the new norm for me as of Jan 2024. While I was getting 3-5 video sales a month with about 1500 videos in 2022, 2023, the sales stopped in Jan when Shutterstock got involved. It's now just a dead site for me and I suspect sales/royalties will be further eroded in the not too distant future, probably later this year. So the very few sales you make now will have reduced royalties. I am glad MS is just passive income for me.
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Is this normal?
Yes.
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Shutterstock needed to be quiet after taking over Pond5 - though I get it needs to be public info for legal reasons. The problem is likely a number of dissatisfied customers of Shutterstock are also customers of Pond5 and when they caught on to Shutterstock taking over, they just left Pond5 too. The result is already weakening sales have now become rare as hen's teeth. Falling sales, falling prices and falling commissions presents a threefold blow to contributors and consequent huge fall in earnings.
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I haven't had a DL on P5 for over a month. Is it just that the site is basically dead or could it be because of pricing? Most of my videos moved into the top tier price range when they started their dynamic pricing and I'm wondering if my videos (mostly 2D and 3D animation) would sit better in the lower price range. Maybe the higher prices are better suited to rare niche editorial footage?
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They moved most of my files down to 35 dollars and I still have no sales.
Now, my files probably deserve a lower price because they are not high quality model released material, but the lower price made no difference.
I think the marketing for p5 has gone down.
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At one time, Pond wanted to create Hyperstock. But many authors began to resent it and Pond abandoned this idea. I think that now Pond can only be saved by its complete transfer to Hyperstock and the introduction of a subscription pricing model. Otherwise, Pond will become an unprofitable asset for Shutterstock and may eventually be liquidated.
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It's strange that the idea of creating Hyperstock has never been discussed on this forum before.
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However, last year I made a good income on pond5 for training artificial intelligence.
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It's strange that the idea of creating Hyperstock has never been discussed on this forum before.
That's so you. If you can't find something or don't see it, then it doesn't exist. Your support at P5 isn't the same as everyone else, so you invent your answer, it's been ended and taken over by ss. Now you say we never discussed Hyperstock. https://www.microstockgroup.com/pond5/hyperstock/ (https://www.microstockgroup.com/pond5/hyperstock/) Somebody gave you a + for that false claim.
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At one time, Pond wanted to create Hyperstock. But many authors began to resent it and Pond abandoned this idea. I think that now Pond can only be saved by its complete transfer to Hyperstock and the introduction of a subscription pricing model. Otherwise, Pond will become an unprofitable asset for Shutterstock and may eventually be liquidated.
Anything is possible, however unlikely and improbable. If I remember right, Hyperstock was beta and never launched. Whether that was because of artist backlash or something else, we'll never know. Seeing how subscriptions have worked and been abandoned by Shutterstock, I'm not going to agree with your prediction for the Pond5 future.
It's strange that the idea of creating Hyperstock has never been discussed on this forum before.
That's so you. If you can't find something or don't see it, then it doesn't exist. Your support at P5 isn't the same as everyone else, so you invent your answer, it's been ended and taken over by ss. Now you say we never discussed Hyperstock. https://www.microstockgroup.com/pond5/hyperstock/ (https://www.microstockgroup.com/pond5/hyperstock/) Somebody gave you a + for that false claim.
No way, Stoker says we didn't discuss that. You probably invented a time machine, went back and created that whole fake thread. ::)
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It's strange that the idea of creating Hyperstock has never been discussed on this forum before.
That's so you. If you can't find something or don't see it, then it doesn't exist. Your support at P5 isn't the same as everyone else, so you invent your answer, it's been ended and taken over by ss. Now you say we never discussed Hyperstock. https://www.microstockgroup.com/pond5/hyperstock/ (https://www.microstockgroup.com/pond5/hyperstock/) Somebody gave you a + for that false claim.
When I searched the forum today, I got 0 results. So all complaints to the moderator.