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StockDaebak

« on: October 23, 2019, 08:36 »
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Anyone still getting sales at Pond5?, even low low race to the bottom sales?.  This sadly looks like a videoblocks scenario playing out and I hope I am wrong but since that new guy came in and they made all the changes in 2019 it's not been good at all.

Less and less and less, October 23 here and my Pond5 sales are at $0 for the month, SS at $1805.  This tells me content is still selling, not as good as in past years obviously but it's still selling.

Unfortunate because Pond5 was the best and most decent agency to deal with until this year with they made a 360 degree turn and started to look like they where competing for how many dirty tricks they could slip past us starting with capping the search price results.


« Reply #1 on: October 23, 2019, 09:45 »
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Similar here.
Until spring 2019 Pond5 video sales were on par with Shutterstock, sometimes even exceeding it.
In the last couple of months it yields less than 1/5 of my SS sales.

angelawaye

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« Reply #2 on: October 23, 2019, 10:01 »
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I was making about $80 - $100 a month, now nothing. Everything is going down for me. Tears!

csm

« Reply #3 on: October 23, 2019, 10:02 »
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Almost 2000 clips, and quite proud of my work.
Sales increasing every month then not one sale since July. There just seems no reason why I haven't sold anything since then.
Ss best quarter so far.
Dont know whats going on, but it does seem odd.
Never had sales completely dry up in 20 years doing stock.
This is not what I had planned.
I had high hopes for P5, and now starting to wonder if I will ever see any sales again.
« Last Edit: October 23, 2019, 10:11 by csm »

« Reply #4 on: October 23, 2019, 11:04 »
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Anyone still getting sales at Pond5?, even low low race to the bottom sales?.  This sadly looks like a videoblocks scenario playing out and I hope I am wrong but since that new guy came in and they made all the changes in 2019 it's not been good at all.

Less and less and less, October 23 here and my Pond5 sales are at $0 for the month, SS at $1805.  This tells me content is still selling, not as good as in past years obviously but it's still selling.

Unfortunate because Pond5 was the best and most decent agency to deal with until this year with they made a 360 degree turn and started to look like they where competing for how many dirty tricks they could slip past us starting with capping the search price results.
Yes still selling last month, this month

StockDaebak

« Reply #5 on: October 23, 2019, 11:16 »
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Yes still selling last month, this month
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Good to hear, what price range are you selling your clips in ?,  I was shocked to see that HotelFoxtrot appears to be selling all her clips at $59 now.

StockDaebak

« Reply #6 on: October 23, 2019, 11:30 »
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Almost 2000 clips, and quite proud of my work.
Sales increasing every month then not one sale since July. There just seems no reason why I haven't sold anything since then.
Ss best quarter so far.
Dont know whats going on, but it does seem odd.
Never had sales completely dry up in 20 years doing stock.
This is not what I had planned.
I had high hopes for P5, and now starting to wonder if I will ever see any sales again.

Oh wow so if you have 20 years on then you've been through a couple of recessions as well as the 2008 recession so you'd know if something is suspiciously off at one site.  For me and many others it was around April 2019, just off a cliff like that all while SS was slow but steady.

One thing they mentioned in the last town hall is how they see where buyers are coming from and direct them accordingly, if a buyer comes from a Google search I guess they are deemed a low budget customer vs an enterprise customer who logs into their account or whatever but this is yet another indication that the are using a lot of technology and trackers.

We saw that with the search price cap, no one saw that one all spring and summer long including those who went all in exclusive and never had a chance of their clips being seen.   I too thought the folks in the forms where mistaken because I looked and saw no cap, then I went to a different computer and browser and there was a $50 or $80 cap.

Perhaps they are following the path of storyblocks and winding down the marketplace and then will eventually close it and just go with their collections and membership content.   Storyblocks sales mysteriously went off a cliff just like pond5 and no one could figure out how customers just all of a sudden stopped buying from them.

I am still uploading to Pond5 but first I upload to SS as I still get sales there for video.
















« Reply #7 on: October 23, 2019, 13:18 »
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Yes still selling last month, this month

Good to hear, what price range are you selling your clips in ?,  I was shocked to see that HotelFoxtrot appears to be selling all her clips at $59 now.
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Last one sold is $139 

« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2019, 04:31 »
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Yes still selling last month, this month

Good to hear, what price range are you selling your clips in ?,  I was shocked to see that HotelFoxtrot appears to be selling all her clips at $59 now.
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why shocked?= video is the next dead thing...or people believe to live all life earning a lot per video sales, with a couple thousand video?
everybody is shooting video, bigger producer from eastern europe are moving their production towards video...soon there will be the same saturation and the same price for video as was photo. milk till it last is my suggestion don't hope to earn the same, if not producing thousand and thousand of video per year....and the fact that a super company like hotel is struggling, they make a site where they give all collection for penny if i remember correctly, and move all new production to cheaper drone content should tell those who believe video will be immune from the downward trend. no it's not immune and price soon will collapse to a bunch of dollar per download.

« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2019, 05:51 »
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Not sure on that but a generic "yep I sell / nope no-sales" don't help.

I can report no sales without defining a small port or sky high price range or low quality content.

so what? Just adding negativity? or opposite, adding optimism while those that sell have better workflow, established rating and better content?

 ???

« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2019, 11:58 »
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why shocked?= video is the next dead thing...or people believe to live all life earning a lot per video sales, with a couple thousand video?
everybody is shooting video, bigger producer from eastern europe are moving their production towards video...soon there will be the same saturation and the same price for video as was photo. milk till it last is my suggestion don't hope to earn the same, if not producing thousand and thousand of video per year....and the fact that a super company like hotel is struggling, they make a site where they give all collection for penny if i remember correctly, and move all new production to cheaper drone content should tell those who believe video will be immune from the downward trend. no it's not immune and price soon will collapse to a bunch of dollar per download.

Only funeral homes will stay forever.
As i said on another thread, if you want to survive in this business, you need high quality work, and to be prepared to adapt to the changes of the market.
BTW i love your positive attitude  ;D

« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2019, 13:35 »
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why shocked?= video is the next dead thing...or people believe to live all life earning a lot per video sales, with a couple thousand video?
everybody is shooting video, bigger producer from eastern europe are moving their production towards video...soon there will be the same saturation and the same price for video as was photo. milk till it last is my suggestion don't hope to earn the same, if not producing thousand and thousand of video per year....and the fact that a super company like hotel is struggling, they make a site where they give all collection for penny if i remember correctly, and move all new production to cheaper drone content should tell those who believe video will be immune from the downward trend. no it's not immune and price soon will collapse to a bunch of dollar per download.

Only funeral homes will stay forever.
As i said on another thread, if you want to survive in this business, you need high quality work, and to be prepared to adapt to the changes of the market.
BTW i love your positive attitude  ;D
''Only funeral homes will stay forever.''

Not sure about that with todays pricing.

« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2019, 13:48 »
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Not sure about that with todays pricing.

Yes, pricing isn't low, but i don't see alternatives. Here in Italy you cannot bury your dear in the garden, so you
have to follow the law :)

« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2019, 16:44 »
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Not sure about that with todays pricing.

Yes, pricing isn't low, but i don't see alternatives. Here in Italy you cannot bury your dear in the garden, so you
have to follow the law :)

sure you can survive especially in some years...i suggest to prepare an alternative...personaly stocks this year is only 15 20% of all my photo income...luckily assignment and personal work are still strong especially if you offer quality....if i should earn 6 7k euro per year doing stock, after all expenses and taxes paid good luck...actually how many can tell to earn near 10k euro per month selling stock? it's near 12000 dollar. sure you can live with 1500 euro even in a modern country, but considering the effort is it acceptable'

« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2019, 03:04 »
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i'm always searching for alternatives. But my main goal is to become better and better in what i like to do, 3d and motion design :) As i've already said, a talented artist will always find a job (hope i'm not wrong) :)

« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2019, 05:00 »
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Somehow the brainstrust at Pond5 blew it big time and should be held accountable. Heads should roll and answers given. Unfortunately they don't have to answer to us. In an ideal world it wouldn't be that way since they have absolutely nothing without our collective work.

« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2019, 10:41 »
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i'm always searching for alternatives. But my main goal is to become better and better in what i like to do, 3d and motion design :) As i've already said, a talented artist will always find a job (hope i'm not wrong) :)

I totally agree with you and that's been my experience of creatives in my 15 years at Adobe.  You're not wrong. If you're honest about always trying to improve and don't get stuck in one style (very easy to do in motion design), then you'll always be in demand.  Stick with it and hopefully Stock is a part of your revenue stream.

Cheers,
Dennis

« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2019, 12:16 »
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I totally agree with you and that's been my experience of creatives in my 15 years at Adobe.  You're not wrong. If you're honest about always trying to improve and don't get stuck in one style (very easy to do in motion design), then you'll always be in demand.  Stick with it and hopefully Stock is a part of your revenue stream.

Cheers,
Dennis

Hi Dennis,
your words are like a RedBull for me! Pure energy! :)
And yes, i like to explore different styles, 2d flat design, isometric, realistic 3d... and always trying new ways
to communicate concepts and ideas.
I especially love After Effects, such a powerful tool, and with plugins like Stardust, Plexus, Element3d (to name a few)...
Well, the sky is the limit!
Thanks for your kind words!

StockDaebak

« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2019, 20:22 »
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Found a smoking gun! I am (expletive deleted) furious.   The sneaky hidden price cap is very much alive and set to $50.   

Turns out their analytic software appears detect your IP/machine ID/browser and where you came from and profile you accordingly and serve up content at a certain price point. I believe they kind of eluded to this in the town hall actually.

So I just went searching for my content and using my normal browser and machine but NOT logged in I found my clips and others and all looked good.

Went to a different computer, different IP and browser and came to pond5 VIA GOOGLE and I did the Google search for this stock footage just as a customer would and pond5, SS and others came up on the front page, all looked good until I clicked on Pond5 and saw the price slider set at $50 and only a fraction of the clips showing up.

This could be why we are losing a large number of eyeballs on our clips.  Are they assuming customers that come through search engines are no to low budget customers?, sure isn't the case for any product that's for sure, we use Google to get a wide variety to choose from and then go clicking on the products and stores and see what's there.


So try thing folks,  use a browser you don't normally use, go in via google for the stock you are looking for and then  click on pond5 and see if the price slider is set and capping the search results and prices.


I don't know why they would filter and profile customers like this, using Google is not an indicator of financial status.




StockDaebak

« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2019, 20:47 »
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Just redid the test five times, went to Google, then once in Google I typed in a subject matter and stock footage and google served up several offerings such as pond5, SS and I clicked on pond and a $50 price slider cap was in effect and the selection was rather poor obviously.

I think we ourselves underestimate how much traffic Google generates.  We are losing a lot of eyeballs as long as this cap remains in place in any form.

« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2019, 06:30 »
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Just redid the test five times, went to Google, then once in Google I typed in a subject matter and stock footage and google served up several offerings such as pond5, SS and I clicked on pond and a $50 price slider cap was in effect and the selection was rather poor obviously.

I think we ourselves underestimate how much traffic Google generates.  We are losing a lot of eyeballs as long as this cap remains in place in any form.

In native language, we havbe this phrase "i saw a tree and missed the forest!" :P
While running those tests havn't you noticed the "find similar to this clip at $25"
big yellow font Upper left in items pages?

Also the "25 and under" tab in frontpage slider?

StockDaebak

« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2019, 08:27 »
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Just redid the test five times, went to Google, then once in Google I typed in a subject matter and stock footage and google served up several offerings such as pond5, SS and I clicked on pond and a $50 price slider cap was in effect and the selection was rather poor obviously.

I think we ourselves underestimate how much traffic Google generates.  We are losing a lot of eyeballs as long as this cap remains in place in any form.

In native language, we havbe this phrase "i saw a tree and missed the forest!" :P
While running those tests havn't you noticed the "find similar to this clip at $25"
big yellow font Upper left in items pages?

Also the "25 and under" tab in frontpage slider?

And they said in the town hall that this isn't a race to the bottom, maybe they are correct as they are not racing to the bottom but have won it and in the process many contributors will lose their businesses.

The also admitted they are constantly testing and experimenting, well if they or their new content director knew anything about business operations they would do the testing with a control group of clips that they own and see what the results are and not ours and at out expense.

I've noticed in 2019, since their hire the new director of content that not only has the company gone 360 degrees but they have become so arrogant and non-responsive to contributors, it was mentioned in their forums as well and some people thought maybe the company was under new ownership but apparently not.

Lesson learned here:  Business is business, no matter how nice a company seems to work for or work through don't get too comfortable or relaxed because it could all change tomorrow, a different manager could come in and everything becomes not so nice and the other lesson is NEVER put all eggs in one basket of course, some did that by joining the exclusive program and they are paying a big price.

Really sad to see the best company and my most profitable earner simply go away, it went down or me much like videoblocks, great sales then a sharp drop and a slow slide lower and lower and then a bit of a bounce one month and now $0 finished, two months ZERO sales.

All while sales still happening on SS and another site.

« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2019, 15:44 »
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Perhaps they lost control while targeted to retail, youtubers facebook bulk tiny ads and similar.
Refer above. There is a client for every price tag.
They might advertise membership or under $25 but who knows? Maybe another test that will fail.

Low pricing didn't worked for me, raised everything back to normal and a little more up.
Exclusivity is commitment and has to be payed.
Hope that buyers will notice the [E] option among all those "buy low" big signs! :P

I still do have hopes for P5. They seem to play ball in two fields, retail and corporate including this new "enterprise" category. I do believe that they lost clients from pricing and it is hard to get them back.

As for Googling back when submitted to AS SS and P5 it was more than rare to see my item from P5 even c/p the title! SS and sometimes Fotolia through AS ruled the results. A hard game on Google results.
I can blame them for low sales but all the odds are that i still produce random, common mediocre stuff. TBH i am still not serious or commited to stock.  ::)
« Last Edit: October 26, 2019, 15:52 by George_ »

StockDaebak

« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2019, 19:52 »
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Perhaps they lost control while targeted to retail, youtubers facebook bulk tiny ads and similar.
Refer above. There is a client for every price tag.
They might advertise membership or under $25 but who knows? Maybe another test that will fail.

Low pricing didn't worked for me, raised everything back to normal and a little more up.
Exclusivity is commitment and has to be payed.
Hope that buyers will notice the [E] option among all those "buy low" big signs! :P

Exclusive means nothing, it's not exclusive, 10 competing buyers can buy the same clip for use in their work so it's not exclusive, exclusive is when no one else has it and can use it.

As much as they say they are stewards of the marketplace (self appointed) and they cannot allow us to price higher than on other sites and that there is no race to the bottom their actions speak otherwise, they think we are stupid and don't see the price cap on search results between $50 and $80 at times?, the best price guarantee?, the $25 collection, the 20-30% discounts to all buyers?,  they have become all about the lowest prices and nothing but.

That and these collections boxes don't contain the best clips and that many. What that they did starting in April 2019 did not work.

In the town hall they tried to say the reason our sales are so low and that no one person can basically do this anymore is due to their explosive growth, ok so if that was true they why are sales happening at Shutterstock?, they too have explosive growth.

I am still uploading there only because it's easy and I have the bandwidth but maybe eventually I will get it through my thick skull that it's over just like it was with videoblocks.  It's not just me, I read their forums too and there are some really big names who rarely post when things are down and they have been speaking their mind.

This is not good, not many places left to sell the product.

« Reply #24 on: October 27, 2019, 03:43 »
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Envato Elements is taking us all out of business.
Believe it or not, it has already happened.

StockDaebak

« Reply #25 on: October 29, 2019, 08:53 »
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I actually stopped uploading to Pond two weeks ago and am uploading and utilizing 100% of my internet bandwidth right now for SS.  Sales are happening at SS, October was a record BME there for me but prior to that it was slow but steady so I assume October was an anomaly.

Every minute counts at this point so I am utilizing 100% of my internet bandwidth to upload to SS and should sales at pond pick up then I can resume but right now it's looking like a videoblocks scenario and not good.

StockDaebak

« Reply #26 on: October 29, 2019, 09:03 »
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Envato Elements is taking us all out of business.
Believe it or not, it has already happened.

Maybe, that and others and the economy slowing down rapidly in general, it all adds up and it's not good in any sector right now.

Pond hired this growth hacker and I think we know who it is and that seems to be their obsession now, growth growth growth and growth hacking is a world of it's own, you can search it up on Google and Youtube and your head will spin trying to understand them explain the metrics and all.

As for our revenue, no so much growth, maybe negative growth.

I think the problem many of us had was we are so used to slowdowns and slumps in sales over the years and then there is a bounce and a bigger bounce come the fall season and so come April 2019 we sure felt the sharp drop but waited for the bounce, it didn't come and the fall sales boom didn't come and now we have a problem, I bet there aren't too many contributors with enough cash stashed away to last another year at this rate.

Worst part is we are just on the cusp of the next global recession, I am looking for something different and something more recession resistant for my next venture.




« Reply #27 on: October 29, 2019, 09:32 »
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If someone can explain to me why any of 55 nearly identical similars of a doppler radar station with blown out highlights that anyone could replicate in an hour with better quality would be worth $200 I'm all ears! :)

I find that most people with huge portfolios (20-30k) complaining about 0 sales actually only have around 1,000 different clips, and maybe 100-200 usable...

« Reply #28 on: October 29, 2019, 12:11 »
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My last sale on Pond5 was way back in January :( I now sell most of my video content through Shutterstock and a little bit through Adobe.

StockDaebak

« Reply #29 on: October 29, 2019, 13:24 »
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My last sale on Pond5 was way back in January :( I now sell most of my video content through Shutterstock and a little bit through Adobe.

January?, that's not good, for me and maybe others it seems to be around springtime that it slowed or stopped.

Seems that almost everyone experienced the same thing over there.

Things sure didn't pick up this fall which wasn't good either.

Didn't see this one coming at all because things where so good before.

« Reply #30 on: October 29, 2019, 16:12 »
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Pond5 is a low earner for me...about 100/150 $/month
But it's slowly increasing, so i have some hope.
Time will tell...

StockDaebak

« Reply #31 on: October 29, 2019, 21:56 »
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Pond5 is a low earner for me...about 100/150 $/month
But it's slowly increasing, so i have some hope.
Time will tell...

Increasing is good, any sign of sales is good.! great news it's increasing for you.

Who knows, maybe we have reached the era in which only high end sells and everything less is basically free or nearly free.

« Reply #32 on: October 30, 2019, 00:11 »
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P5 is alright for me. Lower sales in number than SS but higher net/file so I am satisfied with them. Those that complain and have their clips in places like Istock Envato Elements Storyblocks etc should really be quiet because those sites are an important contributor to the erosion of well paying sites.

« Reply #33 on: October 30, 2019, 06:07 »
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P5 is alright for me. Lower sales in number than SS but higher net/file so I am satisfied with them. Those that complain and have their clips in places like Istock Envato Elements Storyblocks etc should really be quiet because those sites are an important contributor to the erosion of well paying sites.

P5 income - year to date is 28% below last year.  FYI:  I removed my video port from istock and storyblocks.  Never placed videos at Evanto due to low pricing.

« Last Edit: October 30, 2019, 06:24 by trek »

« Reply #34 on: October 30, 2019, 07:34 »
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P5 income - year to date is 28% below last year.  FYI:  I removed my video port from istock and storyblocks.  Never placed videos at Evanto due to low pricing.

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U r wrong , i can set my own prices to Envatomarket (Videohive) :) but i never sold a regular clip just animations.

« Reply #35 on: October 30, 2019, 10:23 »
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P5 income - year to date is 28% below last year.  FYI:  I removed my video port from istock and storyblocks.  Never placed videos at Evanto due to low pricing.


U r wrong , i can set my own prices to Envatomarket (Videohive) :) but i never sold a regular clip just animations.
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Your right.  They didn't used to let contributors set video prices but it seems you can now.  However my experience as a Photodune contributor ended poorly.  I will not resume contributing to Evanto. 

StockDaebak

« Reply #36 on: November 01, 2019, 19:48 »
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This.....probably one of the best videos on the current state of stock video I've seen recently, totally unbiased and will give you something to think about and for us it's not looking like good news unfortunately just as was the case for artists and music streaming. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyIhIoQv9rQ

« Reply #37 on: November 02, 2019, 13:54 »
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Oct 2019 was the worst month at P5 since Feb 2016 despite constant upload. I have constant income increase at SS and AS, even at IS where I do not upload from years. This is sad and I'm afraid P5 will end this same way.

« Reply #38 on: November 02, 2019, 13:59 »
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Odd that "StockDaebak" seems to have left us.

csm

« Reply #39 on: November 02, 2019, 17:04 »
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Whos still actively submitting to P5?
Or are you waiting hoping the storm passes soon before submitting more?

It feels hard but Im tempted to take some time out to see what happens next.
I was promoting my work on Twitter and Instagram everyday recently linking back to P5, that resulted in not one extra sale.

I look at the new Marquee collections, it looks to me like it was put together from a very small pool of contributors.
Some of the clips arent that impressive, I can only presume they were there because they were exclusive not because they were any good, Ive seen better clips that were non exclusive.

It looked like many of the contributors are film makers, who have done one or two shoots and submitted everything as exclusive.

I cant help but wonder if they would be regular stock submitters in the future?
How many would be submitting clips a year from now?
They also looked to me of a different style to a lot of the top non exclusive stock footage creators and I wonder how well the clips will sell.
I saw a tweet recently retweeted by P5 by a new exclusive contributor, they only had 10 clips in their portfolio. How long and how often will they be submitting for I wondered.

Only time will tell...
A lot of unintended consequences will arise from all this

« Reply #40 on: November 03, 2019, 01:12 »
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kinda joking:

"One Portfolio, under P5, Exclusive, with Licensing and Pricing options for all!"

:P

« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2019, 03:56 »
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I was Pond5 fan, but now I am disappinted.
They changed since April. And it is not only about lowering commission rate and exclusivity. I had good and regular sales. Some months P5 earning were better than SS. Now I have two accounts (old one and exclusive), both are almost dead.

« Reply #42 on: November 19, 2019, 22:03 »
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I'm not really in a position to say much as I have an extremely tiny video portfolio on less than a few sites. Though I will say that P5 is doing significantly better for me than SS with regards to video sales. I actually can't even remember the last time I had a video sale on SS. It would have been a long time ago.

« Reply #43 on: November 28, 2019, 02:19 »
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There's also that annoying facebook / ai @#$ bot in Pond5 that pops up on the screen.
"Hi, do you need any help with licensing?"

Nothing screams "Desperation" more than that.

Snow

« Reply #44 on: November 28, 2019, 03:29 »
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Since I was so extremely disappointed with with SS and AS performance, more uploads and better quality/cv equal less earnings ::) I decided to go exclusive on P5 (without distribution to AS).
Dumb move? maybe, I guess time will tell. So far very small port and no sales. I'll keep you posted!

« Reply #45 on: December 04, 2019, 08:27 »
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What's happening at Pond5?
I am non-exclusive with them.
November was my worst month in many years.
This month is looking to be even worse.

Noedelhap

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« Reply #46 on: December 04, 2019, 08:48 »
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Since I was so extremely disappointed with with SS and AS performance, more uploads and better quality/cv equal less earnings ::) I decided to go exclusive on P5 (without distribution to AS).
Dumb move? maybe, I guess time will tell. So far very small port and no sales. I'll keep you posted!


I wouldn't call it dumb (who am I to say others are dumb), but a risky move, yes ;)

Snow

« Reply #47 on: December 04, 2019, 10:15 »
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Since I was so extremely disappointed with with SS and AS performance, more uploads and better quality/cv equal less earnings ::) I decided to go exclusive on P5 (without distribution to AS).
Dumb move? maybe, I guess time will tell. So far very small port and no sales. I'll keep you posted!


I wouldn't call it dumb (who am I to say others are dumb), but a risky move, yes ;)

Yeah I know mate but AS and SS in particular have to show some kind of life to convince me they are still worth it. Meanwhile I'll continue building my (footage) port at P5.

ps. whats with the $25 and $50 pricing? why on earth would anyone price their work below AS/SS? No wonder this business is going down! And why does P5 even allow this anyway? hmmm

« Reply #48 on: December 29, 2019, 10:18 »
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Been wondering the same. i have about 4 video sells in whole year of 500 clips and 2700 photos. All the other agencies are selling better than pond5. no idea what am i doing wrong since i was listening to other people that pond5 is great earner for them.

« Reply #49 on: January 14, 2020, 14:52 »
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Here is one of the reasons our sales dropped. Self pricing seemed  like a nice idea  until industry lowballers came and ruined game for almost everybody:

https://www.pond5.com/artist/xackerz#1/2063

Came to his profile through P5 huge banner on home screen which says: Aerials under 25$

I price my aerials 199$ 4k / 99 FHD...

Thanks to people like this we are loosing money for the crumbs they get.

« Reply #50 on: January 14, 2020, 19:59 »
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Out of his 18,000+ clips, only 206 have ever sold.  And of those 206, only one has sold more than 10 times.

So I don't think this one user is to blame.

« Reply #51 on: January 14, 2020, 20:19 »
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Out of his 18,000+ clips, only 206 have ever sold.  And of those 206, only one has sold more than 10 times.

More out of curiosity than anything else, how do you know that?

« Reply #52 on: January 15, 2020, 06:38 »
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More out of curiosity than anything else, how do you know that?

I second this  :)

Out of his 18,000+ clips, only 206 have ever sold.  And of those 206, only one has sold more than 10 times.

If that is true impact is not that much actually. But he is not the only one. I came to this conclusion because my P5 sales dropped, and SS sales got better in past few months. P5 was crushing SS to a point where i thought to go exclusive at one point but fortunately backed up from that idea. Now SS is crushing P5.

Plus the fact that P5 is doing who knows what with their algorithms.



« Reply #53 on: January 15, 2020, 06:59 »
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Out of his 18,000+ clips, only 206 have ever sold.  And of those 206, only one has sold more than 10 times.

More out of curiosity than anything else, how do you know that?

By typing in your (or other coontributor's) searchbar salegt:<minSalesCount> (eg salegt:10) or salelt:<maxSalesCount> return the corresponding clips.

« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2020, 07:17 »
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More out of curiosity than anything else, how do you know that?

Search using this string (using my account as an example):

artist:odesigns salegt:0

That means show results for ODesigns only, and show only those clips that have sold more than 0 times.

Or:

artist:odesigns salegt:10

Same as above, but limit the search to those clips that have sold more than 10 times.

It's fun to poke around at artists' portfolios to see how they're doing.  Puts things in perspective.

It's also interesting to get an artist's sales percentage.

Using the salegt:0 search string, get that number and then divide it by their total portfolio number.  Using my account again as an example, 27% of my portfolio has sold at least once.  That artist with 18,000 clips?  Only 1% of his portfolio has ever sold.

What's your sales percentage?  I have yet to find a percentage much higher than 30%.  Even the Blackbox account, with over 1.2 million clips, only has a sales percentage of less than 1%.  (And only 9 of their 1.2 million clips have sold more than 10 times.)
« Last Edit: January 15, 2020, 13:57 by ODesigns »

« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2020, 08:43 »
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I think pond5 sales dropped for everyone..i have clips priced lower(running a test from months)at the top of the 1 page search and are not doing better than the others priced at the industry standard...
So my conclusion is that missing sales are not going to low price seller but to other agencies indeed my sales are growing at adobe and steady at ss...plus obviously subscription plans grab some sale too!!!
Unfortunately pond5 seems to not have any other strategy but lowering price to compete and it's not paying off..

csm

« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2020, 09:27 »
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More out of curiosity than anything else, how do you know that?

Search using this string (using my account as an example):

artist:odesigns salesgt:0

That means show results for ODesigns only, and show only those clips that have sold more than 0 times.

Or:

artist:odesigns salesgt:10

Same as above, but limit the search to those clips that have sold more than 10 times.

It's fun to poke around at artists' portfolios to see how they're doing.  Puts things in perspective.

It's also interesting to get an artist's sales percentage.

Using the salegt:0 search string, get that number and then divide it by their total portfolio number.  Using my account again as an example, 27% of my portfolio has sold at least once.  That artist with 18,000 clips?  Only 1% of his portfolio has ever sold.

What's your sales percentage?  I have yet to find a percentage much higher than 30%.  Even the Blackbox account, with over 1.2 million clips, only has a sales percentage of less than 1%.  (And only 9 of their 1.2 million clips have sold more than 10 times.)

Even the Blackbox account, with over 1.2 million clips, only has a sales percentage of less than 1%.  (And only 9 of their 1.2 million clips have sold more than 10 times.)

That is unbelievable. Although not surprising. Everyone seems to be falling over themselves to join BB, but I don't find the work that impressive. I`d rather be under my own portfolio, than have my work sit beside so much mediocre stuff. Why can I never find any really good lifestyle stuff on BB?

« Reply #57 on: January 15, 2020, 10:50 »
+1
small typo. salesgt return whole portfolio try salegt instead.

Quote
More out of curiosity than anything else, how do you know that?

Search using this string (using my account as an example):

artist:odesigns salesgt:0

That means show results for ODesigns only, and show only those clips that have sold more than 0 times.

Or:

artist:odesigns salesgt:10

Same as above, but limit the search to those clips that have sold more than 10 times.

It's fun to poke around at artists' portfolios to see how they're doing.  Puts things in perspective.

It's also interesting to get an artist's sales percentage.

Using the salegt:0 search string, get that number and then divide it by their total portfolio number.  Using my account again as an example, 27% of my portfolio has sold at least once.  That artist with 18,000 clips?  Only 1% of his portfolio has ever sold.

What's your sales percentage?  I have yet to find a percentage much higher than 30%.  Even the Blackbox account, with over 1.2 million clips, only has a sales percentage of less than 1%.  (And only 9 of their 1.2 million clips have sold more than 10 times.)

« Reply #58 on: January 15, 2020, 13:11 »
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Quote
More out of curiosity than anything else, how do you know that?

Search using this string (using my account as an example):

artist:odesigns salesgt:0

That means show results for ODesigns only, and show only those clips that have sold more than 0 times.

Or:

artist:odesigns salesgt:10

Same as above, but limit the search to those clips that have sold more than 10 times.

It's fun to poke around at artists' portfolios to see how they're doing.  Puts things in perspective.

It's also interesting to get an artist's sales percentage.

Using the salegt:0 search string, get that number and then divide it by their total portfolio number.  Using my account again as an example, 27% of my portfolio has sold at least once.  That artist with 18,000 clips?  Only 1% of his portfolio has ever sold.

What's your sales percentage?  I have yet to find a percentage much higher than 30%.  Even the Blackbox account, with over 1.2 million clips, only has a sales percentage of less than 1%.  (And only 9 of their 1.2 million clips have sold more than 10 times.)

Thanks for this useful info. I had no clue! :)

« Reply #59 on: January 15, 2020, 13:56 »
+1
small typo. salesgt return whole portfolio try salegt instead.

Whoops.  Good catch.  No 's'.  I'll edit the original post.

« Reply #60 on: January 15, 2020, 19:54 »
+5
Pond5 have gone from one of the top two footage agencies, to quickly becoming a third rate agency. Whoever is running the show there has failed miserably over the past year. They need to act fast before their agency is destroyed beyond repair.

« Reply #61 on: January 15, 2020, 22:32 »
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Pond5 have gone from one of the top two footage agencies, to quickly becoming a third rate agency. Whoever is running the show there has failed miserably over the past year. They need to act fast before their agency is destroyed beyond repair.

My timing is always impeccable not.

After years of submitting stills to P5, with very few sales, I uploaded 600+ HD and UHD videos last year. That effort produced two nice video sales early on (early summer), then nothing more, despite the increasing quantity.

Looks like I zigged just as P5 was zagging.  :(
« Last Edit: February 27, 2020, 13:39 by marthamarks »

« Reply #62 on: January 16, 2020, 11:52 »
+1
Very disappointing, especially the exclusive account which has sold none.

« Reply #63 on: January 17, 2020, 10:26 »
+2
Pond5 have gone from one of the top two footage agencies, to quickly becoming a third rate agency. Whoever is running the show there has failed miserably over the past year. They need to act fast before their agency is destroyed beyond repair.

I am not worried for them, they'll be fine, all of this makes the more profit. It is us on the thin line...

« Reply #64 on: February 27, 2020, 13:04 »
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Pond5 have gone from one of the top two footage agencies, to quickly becoming a third rate agency. Whoever is running the show there has failed miserably over the past year. They need to act fast before their agency is destroyed beyond repair.
I have 2 accounts (exclusive et no-exc). Both are dead.
Before April 2019 I used to have 3 digits, exeptionally 2 digits,  monthly commissions. So far this year 0 (zero) downloads.
I was a big fan, it is not a case anymore...

« Reply #65 on: February 28, 2020, 03:16 »
+1
They finally assembled an "exclusive" clips urban collection.
To my taste it is not all urban relevant or top interesting rare though.

:(


 

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