Author Topic: Signing Out of Pond5 (Read 4242 times)

Asthebelltolls · « **on:** December 03, 2021, 14:51 »

I have no problem signing into Pond5 but I discovered I now can not sign out. The site has no "logout" message. I still use Windows 7 on an old PC. Your help and/or insights would be appreciated.

Level6 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 03, 2021, 15:28 »

The logout link should be in the drop down menu in the upper right corner, just below community, blog etc.

If it's not there, update your browser and check your security settings that they aren't too high, I use Firefox with medium high security but not the extreme high settings.

If that doesn't work and this is the way I always log out just out of habit is close the browser and as long as your browser isn't set to accept all cookies and remember everything it will dump out of pond quite nicely upon closing and you'll have to log back in.

Asthebelltolls · « **Reply #2 on:** December 03, 2021, 22:33 »

Many thanks, Level 6! Your Pond 5 advice for logging out worked! This is the first time I've had difficulty logging out anywhere with any program or Photo Agency.
I've been submitting since 2009 and doing whatever I could to earn without
emptying my bank account but the SS appears to be doing everything they can
to pass the expenses on to the Contributor.
Pariah.
And of course you look over to the right the SS is at the top of the list so that's
going to keep the flock where they are.
My income with Photo Stock after 2 years submitting to 5 agencies was $20,000
a year. My expectation was that my income would continue to rise.
Why in the world people sign up and continue to contribute is beyond me.
My HD rarely sells anymore and I wasn't willing to invest in the latest, greatest camera. I spent a HUGE amount of effort and time to develop HD submissions and then bing! 4K suddenly erased the effort.
The only thing I would suggest to new contributors is develop your own website.If you're good you'll do well.
Thanks again Level6!

Level6 · « **Reply #3 on:** December 07, 2021, 00:33 »

Quote from: Asthebelltolls on December 03, 2021, 22:33

Many thanks, Level 6! Your Pond 5 advice for logging out worked! This is the first time I've had difficulty logging out anywhere with any program or Photo Agency.
I've been submitting since 2009 and doing whatever I could to earn without
emptying my bank account but the SS appears to be doing everything they can
to pass the expenses on to the Contributor.
Pariah.
And of course you look over to the right the SS is at the top of the list so that's
going to keep the flock where they are.
My income with Photo Stock after 2 years submitting to 5 agencies was $20,000
a year. My expectation was that my income would continue to rise.
Why in the world people sign up and continue to contribute is beyond me.
My HD rarely sells anymore and I wasn't willing to invest in the latest, greatest camera. I spent a HUGE amount of effort and time to develop HD submissions and then bing! 4K suddenly erased the effort.
The only thing I would suggest to new contributors is develop your own website.If you're good you'll do well.
Thanks again Level6!

No problem, I don't think you wasted your time with HD, HD still is the most common seller as far as I know, 4K is not for everything which still surprises me but good HD still sells from what I can see and that might be because so much of the content for the end user is being viewed on cell phones so they need to keep bandwith down, 4K is not necessary for everything.

As for why SSTK is #1 over on the right, it might be simply because the others have fallen so far that only a few SSTK sales make them #1, really sad to see Pond5 fall so far, I don't know what happened.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #4 on:** December 08, 2021, 16:01 »

Quote from: Level6 on December 07, 2021, 00:33

Quote from: Asthebelltolls on December 03, 2021, 22:33
Many thanks, Level 6! Your Pond 5 advice for logging out worked! This is the first time I've had difficulty logging out anywhere with any program or Photo Agency.
I've been submitting since 2009 and doing whatever I could to earn without
emptying my bank account but the SS appears to be doing everything they can
to pass the expenses on to the Contributor.
Pariah.
And of course you look over to the right the SS is at the top of the list so that's
going to keep the flock where they are.
My income with Photo Stock after 2 years submitting to 5 agencies was $20,000
a year. My expectation was that my income would continue to rise.
Why in the world people sign up and continue to contribute is beyond me.
My HD rarely sells anymore and I wasn't willing to invest in the latest, greatest camera. I spent a HUGE amount of effort and time to develop HD submissions and then bing! 4K suddenly erased the effort.
The only thing I would suggest to new contributors is develop your own website.If you're good you'll do well.
Thanks again Level6!

No problem, I don't think you wasted your time with HD, HD still is the most common seller as far as I know, 4K is not for everything which still surprises me but good HD still sells from what I can see and that might be because so much of the content for the end user is being viewed on cell phones so they need to keep bandwith down, 4K is not necessary for everything.

As for why SSTK is #1 over on the right, it might be simply because the others have fallen so far that only a few SSTK sales make them #1, really sad to see Pond5 fall so far, I don't know what happened.

Interesting points, and I'm interested that you still see HD making sales. I always worry that I should be doing more 4K, because other people have said, that's what I need to do to get sales now. I can't figure it out. Who's right or does it matter what the video is? Mark me confused. I think I'm happy to stick to HD and save the money, if I can still get sales on P5?

Right also, P5 is showing at 13.6 right now, ahead of Alamy.

I don't remember what rank they were before.

Level6 · « **Reply #5 on:** December 08, 2021, 17:21 »

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No problem, I don't think you wasted your time with HD, HD still is the most common seller as far as I know, 4K is not for everything which still surprises me but good HD still sells from what I can see and that might be because so much of the content for the end user is being viewed on cell phones so they need to keep bandwith down, 4K is not necessary for everything.

As for why SSTK is #1 over on the right, it might be simply because the others have fallen so far that only a few SSTK sales make them #1, really sad to see Pond5 fall so far, I don't know what happened.
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Interesting points, and I'm interested that you still see HD making sales. I always worry that I should be doing more 4K, because other people have said, that's what I need to do to get sales now. I can't figure it out. Who's right or does it matter what the video is? Mark me confused. I think I'm happy to stick to HD and save the money, if I can still get sales on P5?

Right also, P5 is showing at 13.6 right now, ahead of Alamy.

I don't remember what rank they were before.
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I only do editorial but I look at the P5 forums and I see some "just sold" and "high priced sales" posts with HD content, kinda got my attention and maybe it depends on what the content is and what it's most likely gonna be used for.

If it's going on YouTube and most likely gonna be viewed on phones, tablets and laptops then HD might be just fine and 4K overkill but I wonder if seeing 4K scares off the buyers who only need HD.

Take this band for example, they could easily produce 4K but the highest they go is HD https://www.youtube.com/c/ONEOKROCK/videos

Level6 · « **Reply #6 on:** December 08, 2021, 17:48 »

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 08, 2021, 16:01

Quote from: Level6 on December 07, 2021, 00:33
Quote from: Asthebelltolls on December 03, 2021, 22:33
Many thanks, Level 6! Your Pond 5 advice for logging out worked! This is the first time I've had difficulty logging out anywhere with any program or Photo Agency.
I've been submitting since 2009 and doing whatever I could to earn without
emptying my bank account but the SS appears to be doing everything they can
to pass the expenses on to the Contributor.
Pariah.
And of course you look over to the right the SS is at the top of the list so that's
going to keep the flock where they are.
My income with Photo Stock after 2 years submitting to 5 agencies was $20,000
a year. My expectation was that my income would continue to rise.
Why in the world people sign up and continue to contribute is beyond me.
My HD rarely sells anymore and I wasn't willing to invest in the latest, greatest camera. I spent a HUGE amount of effort and time to develop HD submissions and then bing! 4K suddenly erased the effort.
The only thing I would suggest to new contributors is develop your own website.If you're good you'll do well.
Thanks again Level6!

No problem, I don't think you wasted your time with HD, HD still is the most common seller as far as I know, 4K is not for everything which still surprises me but good HD still sells from what I can see and that might be because so much of the content for the end user is being viewed on cell phones so they need to keep bandwith down, 4K is not necessary for everything.

As for why SSTK is #1 over on the right, it might be simply because the others have fallen so far that only a few SSTK sales make them #1, really sad to see Pond5 fall so far, I don't know what happened.

Interesting points, and I'm interested that you still see HD making sales. I always worry that I should be doing more 4K, because other people have said, that's what I need to do to get sales now. I can't figure it out. Who's right or does it matter what the video is? Mark me confused. I think I'm happy to stick to HD and save the money, if I can still get sales on P5?

Right also, P5 is showing at 13.6 right now, ahead of Alamy. I don't remember what rank they were before.

On second thought, I was just watching this concert video, I love this band and this is a new video they put out and I didn't realize I was watching it in 720p the whole time on my laptop, I went and manually selected HD and it's perfect, 4K maybe good if I was watching on some 70+" TV but the masses are watching on phones and tablets these days.

Bandwidth isn't a huge issue for me right now but I am just worried if the mere mention of 4K throws off some buyers who don't want or needed it even those there is a HD option right under their noses on P5.

I know I'm grasping at straws at this point.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #7 on:** December 08, 2021, 22:28 »

Quote from: Level6 on December 08, 2021, 17:48

Quote from: Uncle Pete on December 08, 2021, 16:01
Quote from: Level6 on December 07, 2021, 00:33
Quote from: Asthebelltolls on December 03, 2021, 22:33
Many thanks, Level 6! Your Pond 5 advice for logging out worked! This is the first time I've had difficulty logging out anywhere with any program or Photo Agency.
I've been submitting since 2009 and doing whatever I could to earn without
emptying my bank account but the SS appears to be doing everything they can
to pass the expenses on to the Contributor.
Pariah.
And of course you look over to the right the SS is at the top of the list so that's
going to keep the flock where they are.
My income with Photo Stock after 2 years submitting to 5 agencies was $20,000
a year. My expectation was that my income would continue to rise.
Why in the world people sign up and continue to contribute is beyond me.
My HD rarely sells anymore and I wasn't willing to invest in the latest, greatest camera. I spent a HUGE amount of effort and time to develop HD submissions and then bing! 4K suddenly erased the effort.
The only thing I would suggest to new contributors is develop your own website.If you're good you'll do well.
Thanks again Level6!

No problem, I don't think you wasted your time with HD, HD still is the most common seller as far as I know, 4K is not for everything which still surprises me but good HD still sells from what I can see and that might be because so much of the content for the end user is being viewed on cell phones so they need to keep bandwith down, 4K is not necessary for everything.

As for why SSTK is #1 over on the right, it might be simply because the others have fallen so far that only a few SSTK sales make them #1, really sad to see Pond5 fall so far, I don't know what happened.

Interesting points, and I'm interested that you still see HD making sales. I always worry that I should be doing more 4K, because other people have said, that's what I need to do to get sales now. I can't figure it out. Who's right or does it matter what the video is? Mark me confused. I think I'm happy to stick to HD and save the money, if I can still get sales on P5?

Right also, P5 is showing at 13.6 right now, ahead of Alamy. I don't remember what rank they were before.

On second thought, I was just watching this concert video, I love this band and this is a new video they put out and I didn't realize I was watching it in 720p the whole time on my laptop, I went and manually selected HD and it's perfect, 4K maybe good if I was watching on some 70+" TV but the masses are watching on phones and tablets these days.

Bandwidth isn't a huge issue for me right now but I am just worried if the mere mention of 4K throws off some buyers who don't want or needed it even those there is a HD option right under their noses on P5.

I know I'm grasping at straws at this point.

That's alright, I know that I don't know. I get one person says, if I don't do 4K I might as well do nothing. Then someone else says, HD is just fine. Maybe both are actually right in some kind of way? Like new files should be 4K and old files that are already HD will do fine. I really don't know and that's why I'm trying to make sense of what different people tell me.

My only choice at this point is believe everyone and sort it out later.

Level6 · « **Reply #8 on:** December 08, 2021, 22:54 »

Interesting points, and I'm interested that you still see HD making sales. I always worry that I should be doing more 4K, because other people have said, that's what I need to do to get sales now. I can't figure it out. Who's right or does it matter what the video is? Mark me confused. I think I'm happy to stick to HD and save the money, if I can still get sales on P5?

Right also, P5 is showing at 13.6 right now, ahead of Alamy.

I don't remember what rank they were before.
[/quote]

On second thought, I was just watching this concert video, I love this band and this is a new video they put out and I didn't realize I was watching it in 720p the whole time on my laptop, I went and manually selected HD and it's perfect, 4K maybe good if I was watching on some 70+" TV but the masses are watching on phones and tablets these days.

Bandwidth isn't a huge issue for me right now but I am just worried if the mere mention of 4K throws off some buyers who don't want or needed it even those there is a HD option right under their noses on P5.

I know I'm grasping at straws at this point.
[/quote]

That's alright, I know that I don't know. I get one person says, if I don't do 4K I might as well do nothing. Then someone else says, HD is just fine. Maybe both are actually right in some kind of way? Like new files should be 4K and old files that are already HD will do fine. I really don't know and that's why I'm trying to make sense of what different people tell me.

My only choice at this point is believe everyone and sort it out later.
[/quote]

I think we're all the same boat now, it's impossible to guess this market, easier to guess the other stock market than this one, I'm lost to be honest but for now, for what little I can still shoot I am just uploading as HD and will see if it sells, random try basically.

Evaristo tenscadisto · « **Reply #9 on:** December 10, 2021, 09:34 »

Hi,
Still doing HD for footage. Still selling some. Doing 4K/8K for 2d/3d animations but mostly are sold in HD too.

I don't see big point in uploading 4k or higher. Probably most of people will directly migrate from HD to 8K in the following years. The only advantage i see is that its less saturated markets and maybe its easier to a customer find our work in millions of clips if they use 4k/4k+ filter.

I think the the rule maintains "content is king" but let's not forget that someone can rescale HD to 4K nowadays with AI pretty good or near to amazing. Maybe it makes useless to a customer to pay for a 4k clip. For me the question is ....who needs 4K, really? I never had a client that requested a "normal" 4K film, only HD. My other works are for arenas projections - requirements are mostly unique Huge formats or 8k/16K. In my opinion i see 4k has nothing really special since I don't need for most of my projects.

I upload just a few of 360VR footage and animation. never sold. Tried Verticals videos too. never sold.

Level6 · « **Reply #10 on:** December 10, 2021, 11:20 »

Quote from: Evaristo tenscadisto on December 10, 2021, 09:34

Hi,
Still doing HD for footage. Still selling some. Doing 4K/8K for 2d/3d animations but mostly are sold in HD too.

I don't see big point in uploading 4k or higher. Probably most of people will directly migrate from HD to 8K in the following years. The only advantage i see is that its less saturated markets and maybe its easier to a customer find our work in millions of clips if they use 4k/4k+ filter.

I think the the rule maintains "content is king" but let's not forget that someone can rescale HD to 4K nowadays with AI pretty good or near to amazing. Maybe it makes useless to a customer to pay for a 4k clip. For me the question is ....who needs 4K, really? I never had a client that requested a "normal" 4K film, only HD. My other works are for arenas projections - requirements are mostly unique Huge formats or 8k/16K. In my opinion i see 4k has nothing really special since I don't need for most of my projects.

I upload just a few of 360VR footage and animation. never sold. Tried Verticals videos too. never sold.

Interesting, I've switched to only uploading the HD version to Pond5 and SSTK for now to see if those clips get any traction, there's always the chance that just seeing "4k" on the screen throws off buyers or interns who are doing the searching for a client. plus I shoot mostly editorial so HD is fine anyways.

The vertical video stuff is interesting as like with 360vr it was supposed to be the next big thing but it works for TikTok and YouTube shorts like this band https://www.youtube.com/c/ONEOKROCK/videos puts out but in that space it's all free content, no one is paying for it.

The verticals to play surprisingly well on cell phones though if shot well and everything in the center of the frame but the same video isn't so fun to watch on my laptop.

Uncle Pete · « **Reply #11 on:** December 11, 2021, 11:32 »

Quote from: Level6 on December 10, 2021, 11:20

Quote from: Evaristo tenscadisto on December 10, 2021, 09:34
Hi,
Still doing HD for footage. Still selling some. Doing 4K/8K for 2d/3d animations but mostly are sold in HD too.

I don't see big point in uploading 4k or higher. Probably most of people will directly migrate from HD to 8K in the following years. The only advantage i see is that its less saturated markets and maybe its easier to a customer find our work in millions of clips if they use 4k/4k+ filter.

I think the the rule maintains "content is king" but let's not forget that someone can rescale HD to 4K nowadays with AI pretty good or near to amazing. Maybe it makes useless to a customer to pay for a 4k clip. For me the question is ....who needs 4K, really? I never had a client that requested a "normal" 4K film, only HD. My other works are for arenas projections - requirements are mostly unique Huge formats or 8k/16K. In my opinion i see 4k has nothing really special since I don't need for most of my projects.

I upload just a few of 360VR footage and animation. never sold. Tried Verticals videos too. never sold.

Interesting, I've switched to only uploading the HD version to Pond5 and SSTK for now to see if those clips get any traction, there's always the chance that just seeing "4k" on the screen throws off buyers or interns who are doing the searching for a client. plus I shoot mostly editorial so HD is fine anyways.

The vertical video stuff is interesting as like with 360vr it was supposed to be the next big thing but it works for TikTok and YouTube shorts like this band https://www.youtube.com/c/ONEOKROCK/videos puts out but in that space it's all free content, no one is paying for it.

The verticals to play surprisingly well on cell phones though if shot well and everything in the center of the frame but the same video isn't so fun to watch on my laptop.

Vertical next big thing, how many years until we call the bluff and say, it isn't? I suppose, you're right, on a phone it looks better.

I don't mind people disagreeing, and I'd still like to see more about 4K vs HD (and someone said they are shooting 8K now?) That's based on your point that HD might cost less and some buyers don't look or want 4K. But some agencies have automatic downsizing. I don't know, I'm just asking, does anyone who tracks and has both, of the same kinds of content, find more DLs because something is 4K or because something is HD, or are they shooting the better and higher resolution, because it brings a better return?

I think the fake data from companies pushing video, is finally getting out, and it's not as popular and in demand as they tried to sell it as. Facebook: “It reflected the total time spent watching a video divided by only the number of ‘views’ of a video (that is, when the video was watched for three or more seconds).”

3 seconds is a view? That's just long enough for me to click stop or block.

And maybe I'm biased because I'd rather read a review or an article than have to listen and watch someone babbling on and on, so they get more viewing minutes.

Level6 · « **Reply #12 on:** December 12, 2021, 10:38 »

I think the fake data from companies pushing video, is finally getting out, and it's not as popular and in demand as they tried to sell it as. Facebook: “It reflected the total time spent watching a video divided by only the number of ‘views’ of a video (that is, when the video was watched for three or more seconds).”

3 seconds is a view? That's just long enough for me to click stop or block.

And maybe I'm biased because I'd rather read a review or an article than have to listen and watch someone babbling on and on, so they get more viewing minutes.

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I think you're right, how many times have we heard "All time high demand for content"?, we also know that Google and Facebook ads are basically a scam, can't think if one relevant ad yet that the algorithms have sent my way but I get more local and relevant ads from listening to my local radio station.

Demand for video/content, sure there is demand but for free content and the agencies are filling that demand with our content through their various deals and stuff and we barely see any revenue from it.

All time high demand for content and our sales are dropping and dropping......