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« on: September 02, 2009, 19:34 »
Fair question, I make $10.00 per sold image. As i said this is a hobby..
Cheers
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« on: September 01, 2009, 20:44 »
I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.
Then why don't you take your own?
I answered this before, I DO TAKE MY OWN, but I also have a full time job. It started with helping my friends supplying images. I don't have more time to shoot and I'm trying to help out people who have images to sell.
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« on: September 01, 2009, 20:08 »
So you are trying to procure full copyright to be transferred to an agency that is licensing wholly owned content. Basically a stock house that pays you once for stock. What kind of contract is involved. What license are the images sold under? What transfer of releases is needed?
Sean, I appreciate the interest and the debate. It was a learning curve for me, I'm going to let this go for a few weeks and try the post again but with the volume of my new knowledge, mainly being extremely specific of what I'm offering. I visited your site and you are way past what I can offer. Unless you want to sell photo scraps for what I pay. Like myself their are others out there that do this as a paid hobby, either hope to make a few bucks or always be outfitted with new cameras and exotic lenses. I have had success giving my photog friends cameras and making them supply images to pay it off.
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« on: September 01, 2009, 19:42 »
It's nice there's such a discussion of my offer out there 
I'm not going to defend my price. It's only what I feel like offering as an incentive to attract authors to my site, which is not a set up business. I think I'll find a few people interested (and I already did).
If you've read the rules, I'm not asking for exclusivity, except for 7-days of keeping from posting the articles elsewhere. After that, you may post or even sell the article elsewhere. I'm also letting people write about themselves, their case-studies, linking their portfolios, etc. So it could be means of promotion for them too.
I do try to fill the site in with as much my own content as I can, but I know that at my speed of 2-3 articles a week (my time allows no more), it will take me a lifetime to fill it with the content. And I also like to have other people's views on my site, not only mine.
There's a lot of bloggers out there, who write stuff just for fun and absolutely for free. What's bad if I offer a bit of incentive to attract such people to my site?
LMAO....I knew where this was going....
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« on: September 01, 2009, 19:21 »
So you are trying to procure full copyright to be transferred to an agency that is licensing wholly owned content. Basically a stock house that pays you once for stock. What kind of contract is involved. What license are the images sold under? What transfer of releases is needed?
The people I sell to are not "technically" a stock site. They have subscribers. In order to obtain images you must pay a monthly subscription fee, you then have password protected access to their site, the images are then used as fillers in ad sections of newspapers, or editorial the odd time or included as a background in an ad. The conditions of the sale is fairly easy, the photographer must have model releases, the photographer retains all rights to the image, with one exception it can't show up on another stock site. You can sell it on your own over and over. They buy in blocks of images. I had one photographer spend 1 hour shooting his new car and he made $1200.00 They also have shot lists. This revenue stream is not for everyone, but I have friends who love to make $1000.00 for a day of shooting the family and friends.
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« on: September 01, 2009, 18:02 »
Your right I should have been more clear in my initial post, maybe this will help? I'm not to sure how I could scam anyone? Specially if I pay for the hi resolution file before I even get them. Basically I help locating photographers and images for an agency based in NYC. They specifically supply images and editorial content to the newspaper market. So your typical stock like image that you see in a special advertising section is what they are looking for. Usually what my photographers do is send me a quantity of images all at low resolution and generically watermarked. I submit them and eventually the agency puts in an order for what they are looking for at that time. Currently I do work with stock photographers who are on iStock and they send me "seconds" images that they have edited out. Simply put it's a way of getting some extra revenue for selling images that you already have a decent inventory and would otherwise not be sold. My guys love this because they use this money to buy neat camera gear as toys. Being a camera store owner I usually give them a good deal. The agency pays $70.00 per accepted image, not lots but they buy in volume often $2000-$3000 at a time, based on what is submitted. Also I pay immediately upon receipt of the hi-res files. In somes cases even before I receive them until I develop a repore with the guys. Some say I buy images that end up in the trash can!!! Based on this, any questions? I do this as a part time hobby, my real job is a camera store owner www.fotoart.ca Let me know what you think. Cheers
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« on: August 31, 2009, 17:14 »
I, for one, am interested in the offer. I agree that people here have become more and more negative of late. It's a pity. I hope that new members will feel that they can post without being attacked or ridiculed. This website is a wonderful resource and I would hate to see it die off because people seem so aggressive.
Be in touch, Peter [email protected]
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« on: August 31, 2009, 15:35 »
To the OP- this is what you need to say to make yourself clear:
Hi guys. I am looking to buy the copyright (aka full rights buyout) of any images you wish to sell. I will be taking these images and licensing them to others in the future. I am looking for ---- subject matter. All images will be accepted. You will be sent a contract clearly stating you are releasing copyright. I will, of course, require full model and property releases for images that need them, which means any privacy your models had is given up. $70 per image will be paid via Paypal after I decided which of your images I want.
Ok, OP, if you can't clearly state your need like I just did, I'm still not sure what you want. Otherwise I suggest sitting down with Jonathan to have him type out a statement with your desires and terms.
Thank You...well written although many understood what I posted.
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« on: August 31, 2009, 15:29 »
So your offering to buy the rights to our photos "seconds" for 70.00 (Us dollars, Pounds, Lira???) so that you can resell these as yours? ?
No, I sell the images as yours, and it's $70.00 Canadian Dollars. Basically I'm trying to find images to make you guys some money. I don't want to sound rude but I really could care less if some of you think this is a bad deal. I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.
Since it's so simple to be a stock photographer with all of these new cameras that we have now days, why don't you go buy one take your own photos and sell them, I'm sure it'll be a piece of cake for you, and you'll be saving $70 a pop. 
Actually I do, I also own a camera shop as well. This requires a bit of my time. I said this was a hobby.
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« on: August 31, 2009, 14:11 »
Hi Fotoart,
$70 dollars an image for buy out seems like a good offer for any Micro shooters, and a buy out does mean you sign over the copyright. It's done all the time in Macro stock. I have done by outs before but I don't have any seconds. Sounds like a reasonable offer to me for many here. If you want to resell them or line your living room walls with them I don't really think it matters one way or the other. How many of you have an overall RPI higher than $70 per image in Micro, that is an average of $70 per image over it's life. There are a few but not many from what I read here.
Good Luck,
Jonathan
$70 per image for a guaranteed 150 or 200 shots bought from a one day shoot is a fairly good deal. Used to be able to get 2 to 3 times that much not long ago but I don't know what the going rate is now. I don't like selling dribs and drabs. Waste of time most of the time.
I appreciate the comment, what I do is not for everyone, alot of stock shooters do this as a hobby
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« on: August 31, 2009, 14:06 »
The OP has never mentioned "buying out the rights" to anything. In fact, all he mentioned was "royalty free" up above. So until he clearly states what he is trying to license or accomplish, not much else can go on here.
And no, Jonathan, I don't think $70 is a good buyout price for "family, fun, lifestyle" shots, like the OP mentioned.
Your opinion, as another poster mentioned, images that are in the "trashcan" is the best way to describe it
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« on: August 31, 2009, 14:04 »
Do you really want the stuff we dont upload ? A trashcan full of 70$ images is waiting for you... You could even get em for 65$ if you push it...
yes yes yes....that is the point I have been trying to make. Email me [email protected]
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« on: August 31, 2009, 13:58 »
Hi
I'm a small guy, buying for an agency dedicated to the newspaper market. So we like lifestyle and anything you would see in a community newspaper under editorial or advertorial content. Email me and I can send you more details.
I do this part time as a hobby and rather enjoy it. I really enjoy making my clients a few dollars for images that have had for years.
Cheers
Peter
[email protected]
Hi Fotoart,
I have a few 'seconds' you can buy the rights to for $10000 each. Any of my 'firsts' you will have to pay some serious money for. Let me now how many you want.
Cheers,
Redzaal
Nice one....you must be a real good photographer and have lots of money.........
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« on: August 31, 2009, 13:55 »
Hi Fotoart,
$70 dollars an image for buy out seems like a good offer for any Micro shooters, and a buy out does mean you sign over the copyright. It's done all the time in Macro stock. I have done by outs before but I don't have any seconds. Sounds like a reasonable offer to me for many here. If you want to resell them or line your living room walls with them I don't really think it matters one way or the other. How many of you have an overall RPI higher than $70 per image in Micro, that is an average of $70 per image over it's life. There are a few but not many from what I read here.
Good Luck,
Jonathan
Jonathan, Thanks for understanding what I'm trying to do, and clarifying it to the other members. If your interested my email is [email protected]
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« on: August 31, 2009, 13:49 »
So your offering to buy the rights to our photos "seconds" for 70.00 (Us dollars, Pounds, Lira???) so that you can resell these as yours??
No, I sell the images as yours, and it's $70.00 Canadian Dollars. Basically I'm trying to find images to make you guys some money. I don't want to sound rude but I really could care less if some of you think this is a bad deal. I hate to say it but with the simplicity of digital camera now, every one is a stock photographer.
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« on: August 31, 2009, 00:03 »
I make a decent amount of money at this stock concept.
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« on: August 30, 2009, 23:43 »
+trying to make you a $
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« on: August 30, 2009, 23:31 »
just ask..... ?
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« on: August 30, 2009, 23:25 »
I'll keep it eazeeeeeeeeee I give you money$$$$ for photos $70.00 per photo- Yeah, I'm still not getting what your point is...
Never mind Sean, this guy has just gone to flicker and stealing others work and resell them like they are his own work.
Or maybe he is hidden guy from this post
Magazine wants some of my images for free???
We can ask Leaf to track IP of this two guys, maybe it is the same person...
Me too do not know. Maybe it would bee interesting like Old Hippies posts or some of his different personalities...
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« on: August 30, 2009, 22:58 »
Hey guys...
Really I'm a nice guy.........
All I want is to offer is $70.00 for family/fun/lifestyle images.
Just more income for you guys....
Peter
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« on: August 30, 2009, 19:35 »
I understand the stock sites on the right, but I want to buy images Royalty Free for an agency for a set price per image. I don't buy images on a per download basis. My image suppliers are people that submit to the agencies on the right and I buy their "seconds" for lack of a better term
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« on: August 30, 2009, 17:50 »
Hi I'm a small guy, buying for an agency dedicated to the newspaper market. So we like lifestyle and anything you would see in a community newspaper under editorial or advertorial content. Email me and I can send you more details. I do this part time as a hobby and rather enjoy it. I really enjoy making my clients a few dollars for images that have had for years. Cheers Peter [email protected]
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