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General Stock Discussion / With Corbis Gone, Where Next?
« on: January 23, 2016, 02:12 »
Here's my Corbis conundrum:

I have a wide array of editorial photos from mid-20th century (politicians, artists, actors, etc.). Started digitizing them a year ago, and putting them on Corbis, had some modest success. I specifically avoided Getty because I had heard bad things about them in terms of pricing stuff so cheaply that contributors make very little. Corbis seemed to treat contributors pretty well, and had respect for them.

The current scenario is that Corbis contributors *might* get invited to migrate to Getty. Assuming that invitation comes my way, I want to gather some information.

The only other place where this collection would seem to be a good fit would be Alamy. There's a lot I don't know, so maybe there are other agencies. Long gone are the days of Peter Arnold, The Stock Market, and other small teams that specialized in editorial stuff.

So, I want to find out if Getty is really that bad, as compared to refusing to join Getty and using Alamy or other small-fry places that might work.

Thoughts?

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Help needed on this corbis/getty thing:

I've been on Corbis for 14 months (and ONLY corbis), using my dad's old photojournalism work (editorial content), with some modest success.

This takeover has me very nervous, since I've heard so much about Getty paying pennies to contributors (using their subscription approach, partners, etc.). I'm trying to sort out whether it is really that bad. Trying to decide whether to delete the portfolio from Corbis (and how does one do that anyway?) and try to use other stock companies (slim pickins for editorial content of this type), or move to Getty (assuming I am asked) and hope for the best.

I know that only I can decide this, but any other viewpoints or insights are really needed here. This is causing me much turmoil.

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: FFA - Print Quality / Licensing
« on: January 10, 2015, 19:41 »
It is FAA (not FFA) to prevent some confusion, and their photo licencing is a chaos. I wouldnt get involved with that. I am sure Sue or Jo Ann can chime in about that.

Right, and I wouldn't want to use them for licensing, so that works out.

Where their contributor contract says "You grant to Fine Art America a worldwide, non-exclusive right to sell, license..." (etc.), I assume this sloppy and conflated language simply reflects their attempt to have a one-size-fits-all agreement. The reality is that sales and licensing should be in two totally different agreements. I assume there is nothing nefarious in this contract. However, it makes me very nervous to agree to something (licensing) that I don't want. This the main thing preventing me jumping in with FAA (and thanks Semmick for the correction on the acronym).

Does anyone here know if other POD platforms have similarly conflated language in their contributor agreements? This is potentially something that drives me to a different POD provider based only on the comfort of clear language in a user agreement.

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: FFA - Print Quality / Licensing
« on: January 10, 2015, 16:13 »
Why not join with one image and order it yourself. Then you can see what a customer would receive if they placed a similar order.

I'll certainly order myself a print if I join (probably a few times if I'm selling various images, as a continual check on quality).

So far, in my research across various blogs and reviews I've turned up:

* a general consensus that their customer service is horrible, but they WILL refund orders if item is return (they won't exchange items because they do everything through different third-party venders).

* Overall approval of quality of prints

* Various concerns about some contributors submitting photographs that they do not own copyright for (I actually found one of my photos being sold by someone else as theirs, and I filed a complaint showing the same image listed on my Corbis account; their legal person is looking into it). I actually saw a contributor on FFA saying he found a photo of Jackie Kennedy at a Goodwill store, went home and scanned it and uploaded it to FFA and is trying to resell prints of it. The FFA site seems to be rife with copyright violation by similar people.

* Artists are generally satisfied with the platform, and are making some money, though the artists also complain that they have to drive viewers to the site because FFA doesn't do enough to advertise (I don't anticipate this as a problem in my case)

* Artists are generally dissatisfied with the control over size options for prints (this may in turn be reliant on their actual cropping in photoshop, not sure until I go in and try it)

* I have not seen any complaints about the actual frames, but I get the impression that the artists/photographers have generally not ordered frames for themselves. The lack of customer complaints (on the internet) about framing probably says something to the effect of good quality.

* The $30 annual fee is automatically withdrawn from your CC, which many members find irritating.

What I have NOT seen anywhere is any discussion about my #2 question regarding licensing and the contract. I suspect that the vast majority of contributors on FFA do not read the contract carefully. The inclusion of the word "license" in the general contract is worrisome because it appears to grant FFA the unlimited right to license images regardless of contributors' wishes.

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: FFA - Print Quality / Licensing
« on: January 10, 2015, 15:13 »
Best is to go with hearsay stories then someone actually posting a first hand experience.

Thanks for the advice. I'm actually reading voluminous amount of information on FFA from a variety of sources so that I can make a fully informed decision about whether to use it. Choosing a platform for one's photography is a very important decision, and not to be made lightly. I want to hear of direct experience of course, but stories like the one recounted above are also useful (i.e., thanks for your advice about hearsay, but it isn't really useful to me as I know how to evaluate such comments).

cheers!  :D

Oh by the way Semmick, I really like your Chicago photos - nice work!

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Print on Demand Forum / Re: FFA - Print Quality / Licensing
« on: January 10, 2015, 14:38 »
... the print was held to a wooden backing by double-sided tape, the backing warped and the tape let go...

That's pretty bad. Presumably, however, if the print is decent and the customer was reimbursed for the framing, the customer could go to a frame shop for real framing.

But that's one of the things I've been looking for: customer satisfaction.

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Print on Demand Forum / FFA - Print Quality / Licensing
« on: January 10, 2015, 13:24 »
Hi all, new to the forum here.

I perused the other threads about FFA but did not see anyone directly addressing the following questions. Does anyone have knowledge of the following aspects of FFA:

1). Assuming one has good quality digital scans (scans from negatives) uploaded to FAA, and assuming the photoshop corrections and color space are done correctly, how good is the print quality from FFA?

2). I have a contract with Corbis. Many of the images are set as exclusive with Corbis. I'm considering joining FFA (and after careful research I think it meets my needs), but the thing I am concerned about is the fact that in the FFA general contributor contract there is a clause stating that uploading an images gives FFA the right to sell AND to license ("By submitting images to Fine Art America, You grant to Fine Art America a worldwide, non-exclusive right to sell, license, sublicense, reproduce...."). I sent a question to FFA asking for clarification, but have not had a clear response yet. The initial response was that "we can't license to third parties" and I asked why the general contributor contract has the word "license" in it, haven't had a response yet. So my question here is -- does anyone have any knowledge of FFA licensing practices when the artist does NOT want them to license images out for third party commercial use. Basically, I want to use Corbis for all my commercial licensing, and FFA for all my print sales.

Any light on either of these questions will be appreciated.

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