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« on: October 24, 2016, 04:44 »
Thanks Anyka, Your opinion is exactly what I want to hear. I see you are a Premium member, are you also a premium contributor to stock agencies like 123RF? The OP makes designs with stock photography and wants to know our opinion about how these photos should be paid :
- payment to the contributor (via agency 123rf) EVERY TIME some one buys the design (like Canva);
OR
- 1x Extended License for EVERY photo used in a design (even if it is NEVER SOLD).
123rf wants the extended license, which would cost him a HUGE amount of money, without knowing if any one would ever need/use the image.
Canva uses the first option, only Canva does not work with an agency. Canva works directly with the contributors and pays for EVERY single USE. The OP wants to do the same. This would mean that successful designs will mean lots of credits/payments to the contributor (through 123rf) and non-successful designs will just "exist", without payment to the OP, the Agency or the Contributor.
(unsuccessful designs however WILL cost the OP the working hours to create them).
The only mistake he made (I think) is to already make quite a lot of designs BEFORE discussing this important matter with 123rf.
My personal opinion would be Payment per download, not the extended license.
- In case of extended license, DesignBold will try to make LOTS of designs with the SAME images (= cheaper). After receiving the extended license, contributors will not receive extra payment if a design proves super-successful.
- In case of Payment per download, DesignBold can make as many designs as they want, using different images all the time, and the better they do this (and the more variety), the more successful their sales will be = better for everybody (including 123rf).
I may be wrong of course, but this is my humble but honest opinion.
The only thing that might be better for us contributors, is using the Canva method (work without an external agency), but for that he would need to hire a lot more personnel.
Beside that important question about which license, he is ALSO looking for a co-founder, but that is not his main problem right now. His main problem is the fact that 123rf asks for an EL for every image, even if it does not sell at all.
Did I get that right?
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« on: October 24, 2016, 02:41 »
one question, why should we give opinion to you?
That is why we are here right?
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« on: October 23, 2016, 17:32 »
Thank you Silv3r for making my point clearer: I am not asking for investment, I just asked for the opinion about the licensing as well as tried to look for a good partner who can help me building the stocks program & growing a high quality stock library. I shared my journey so that people can understand more about my business situation so that we will be on the same page, if I am lucky to find one.
"Sorry, this page isn't available
The link you followed may be broken, or the page may have been removed."
Facebook links to my account does not work to some people, you properly need to logged-in to view a Facebook profile. Here is my LinkedIn account https://www.linkedin.com/in/hungdvAnd a picture of me featured in our Forbes'cover.  I did not want to be anonymous and have any tricky plan. Perhaps I did not made myself clear as English is my second language. Hello big Investor
This is the Anonymous: http://www.facebook.com/hungstartup
Are you real, too?
Anonymous person on the internet, looking for big investors.
I'm anonymous but real. Also not looking for investors, because I would not do that anonymously. I would do that with my full name, because trustworthiness is one of the most important things for investors. They need to have confidence in you.
Of course, what I'm saying is pretty obvious. But if this is how you handle suggestions and critics, good luck.
You're link doesn't work. You're still anonymous.
If you had read his post more thoroughly you'd find that he wasn't looking for investors so much as the things he clearly stated.
1. This sentence makes it clear to me he is searching for help solving the stock image dilemma:
"I asked myself why I don't try to seek for opinion, support, advice how I should resolve the situation?"
2. This says to me he's interested in a partner that matches the criteria mentioned in his initial post, for an equity option; no investment needed:
is there anyone here would love to join the team as co-founder with equity option?
You must:
- Have access to a few million stock photos
- Have a wide connection with stock contributors
- Have experience and capability to build and grow the contributor program
3. This suggested to me that he's quite a real person, not an anonymous person with the negative connotations you're insinuating.
This is the Anonymous: http://www.facebook.com/hungstartup
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« on: October 19, 2016, 13:33 »
It is really hard to see difference between Shutterstock, Fotolia, iStock and many other stock companies outthere. And more importantly, you dont need to be the #1 to be successful. As far as I have a few millions of users from a more focused group, I can provide more useful templates for that group. Eg: providing real estate templates serving realtors only can be a good option. They will need alot if online marketing materials as well as printed copies. i have about +200 realestate designs already, and I am sure Canva is nowhere close to that number. I may take a vertical approach later. The market is big enough for aa few more sites like Canva & DesignBold I don't deny that we are very much inspired by Canva. But there is one important thing: we have a difference business model. We are trying to create more beautiful templates and try to become a marketplace for designers & marketers.
Canva's already in the marketplace for designers, marketers, and more.
Canva already offers beautiful templates: https://www.canva.com/templates/invitations/halloween-party/
It also appears you're inspired by Google:
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« on: October 19, 2016, 12:06 »
I really like this idea and did think about that. But I dont think with 200 microstock contributoers, I will get enough high quality photos, verification process costs way alot of money too. My suggestion is contact 200 best microstock photographers, illustrators and build a separate database. I mean separate from any API as they are unstable, and you are a serious businessman aren't you?
An established photographer/illustrator would happily get $1 per image uploaded and 50%/50% royalty split thereafter.
What about that ?
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« on: October 19, 2016, 12:03 »
What made you come to conclusion that I could not manage to get a million to further invest? And fund raising does not always mean that you need money. So your "bro" approach got you 30 mil in revenue but didnt manage to get a million profit from that to further invest. basically your not a very good business man because you cant make a return on an investment. a bit like twitter and uber, turning over millions but no profit. how is your track record going to attract new investors? youve got nothing to show for bro. fo sho
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« on: October 19, 2016, 09:52 »
Hello big Investor This is the Anonymous: http://www.facebook.com/hungstartupAre you real, too? Anonymous person on the internet, looking for big investors.
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« on: October 19, 2016, 05:57 »
What I don't understand is that if what Canva are doing is working well, why aren't Shutterstock and the other big sites offering the same thing?
Innovation rarely come from big company. They are too busy with so many big projects.
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« on: October 18, 2016, 23:09 »
I don't deny that we are very much inspired by Canva. But there is one important thing: we have a difference business model. We are trying to create more beautiful templates and try to become a marketplace for designers & marketers. dont copy!
be different, be creative, dont try to be better than... be unique. this is the key of success
its a bad copy of canva  be more creative!
Do you have any recommendation?
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« on: October 18, 2016, 20:39 »
its a bad copy of canva be more creative!
Do you have any recommendation?
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« on: October 18, 2016, 20:38 »
It's just a way to sell more photos - 123rf should be thrilled. I'm more of a designer/developer than a photographer. Joomlart is a great site (I've used it over the years and it always seemed like it was made by non English speakers, so I do suggest working on that).
I think this has a good chance of succeeding and I appreciate you coming by to talk about it. A ton of work has obviously go into the site, though some of the UX and UI seem a bit confusing.
It seems like Canva decided to build their own library ASAP and cut out the middle agency, so I'm guessing you'll do the same a some point. Best of luck.
Thanks alot PPDD! I am thinking of a way so that all stock contributors can control their own stock.
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« on: October 18, 2016, 15:48 »
 hosted here: ... db-s13-storage-public.designbold.com ...
At the moment your website gives no feedback to 123rf website. So we (the photographers) do not earn a single cent while you sell a template with our images. Iam realy confused why you should even be allowed to use a extended license. I thought digital reproductions are not allowed.
Your website is searching first at selfhosted images (  our iamges from 123rf only by regular licence). This is not ok for regular licence.
After this it will search on 123rf too. This is ok for regular licence.
For your self hosted images you need a extended license.
You can not buy the 123rf images once and resell it as templates and only pay a regular low price only one time. NO WAY!
I do not think the photograper is happy you resell his image:
https://de.dreamstime.com/stockfoto-blondes-mdchen-der-mode-im-modischen-jeansmantel-image51865059
https://www.designbold.com/templates/qv4wxQGv2p/sale-off-up-to-40-graphic-resources.html
The storage you mentioned is for the cached and performance purpose only.
We notify 123RF via the API when any download is made.
You can make a test of download of any of your images (if you have an account on 123RF), and if you pay at DesignBold, you will be notified about the sales!
There is clearly 123rf API infrastructure in place, even if it's being worked out on a prelaunch site. Anyway, this is how businesses (both you and 123rf) grow - by making content available in unconventional ways. I like this - but you may find resistance in this forum since a lot of shady business "deals" end up screwing the photographers and this is a photographer-heavy board that doesn't trust businesses very much.
Thanks PPDD for spending time with me to understand how the system work. Because this is very important to our business, and I want to share our "unconventional" but "innovative" way of using stocks so that I can get an approval/agreement from stock contributors. If most of you give me an "YES", I will be able to come back to talk to 123RF or any agency that I am going to work with. @ppdd @hellou and everyone has participated in the discussion, would you allow me to sell your photos this way with a regular license (for every time users download your stock) There is no lost to you. I am inventing a new way so that you can sell more photo and I can grow my userbase as well as charging for the tool as PRO subscription. And if I can make it up to hundreds of thousand templates with millions of users, both agencies and you will aslo get more $. What is holding you back? Any more question that I can address?
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« on: October 18, 2016, 15:27 »
hosted here: ... db-s13-storage-public.designbold.com ...
At the moment your website gives no feedback to 123rf website. So we (the photographers) do not earn a single cent while you sell a template with our images. Iam realy confused why you should even be allowed to use a extended license. I thought digital reproductions are not allowed.
Your website is searching first at selfhosted images ( our iamges from 123rf only by regular licence). This is not ok for regular licence.
After this it will search on 123rf too. This is ok for regular licence.
For your self hosted images you need a extended license.
You can not buy the 123rf images once and resell it as templates and only pay a regular low price only one time. NO WAY!
I do not think the photograper is happy you resell his image:
https://de.dreamstime.com/stockfoto-blondes-mdchen-der-mode-im-modischen-jeansmantel-image51865059
https://www.designbold.com/templates/qv4wxQGv2p/sale-off-up-to-40-graphic-resources.html
It costs 4 credits to download that design. As long as the money for the license is passed to 123rf, there should not be a problem. Hosting the previews on the platform is not common, but can be negotiated, I would think.
 There is no API or similar. No feedback to 123rf a image was sold if you download this template now. You do not earn anything at 123rf.
Look where this image is hosted. it is not a preview. Now iam realy angry.
hosted: https://db-s18-storage-public.designbold.com
Do you have stock on 123RF? You can search for your own image, try to download it and see it for yourself. You can pay to download at DesignBold and you will see if you get paid via 123RF. PS: Remember that we notify 123RF, but not sure their API will notify the author right away or their will be any delay. We can cross check on that though.
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« on: October 18, 2016, 15:21 »
hosted here: ... db-s13-storage-public.designbold.com ...
At the moment your website gives no feedback to 123rf website. So we (the photographers) do not earn a single cent while you sell a template with our images. Iam realy confused why you should even be allowed to use a extended license. I thought digital reproductions are not allowed.
Your website is searching first at selfhosted images ( our iamges from 123rf only by regular licence). This is not ok for regular licence.
After this it will search on 123rf too. This is ok for regular licence.
For your self hosted images you need a extended license.
You can not buy the 123rf images once and resell it as templates and only pay a regular low price only one time. NO WAY!
I do not think the photograper is happy you resell his image:
https://de.dreamstime.com/stockfoto-blondes-mdchen-der-mode-im-modischen-jeansmantel-image51865059
https://www.designbold.com/templates/qv4wxQGv2p/sale-off-up-to-40-graphic-resources.html
The storage you mentioned is for the cached and performance purpose only. We notify 123RF via the API when any download is made. You can make a test of download of any of your images (if you have an account on 123RF), and if you pay at DesignBold, you will be notified about the sales!
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« on: October 18, 2016, 15:16 »
I see no problem with this whatsoever.
You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?
Not really. We do modify the stocks to re-produce a new template.
If you take 2-3 minutes trying to create a design from this template
https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p
1) try to search for other photo and drag into the design
2) then download it (you will be asked to register an account when downloading)
After download your design, you will understand more about how our system works.
PS: You will need some stock photo credit for testing download, I just created a PROMO code for some stock photo from Agency. Please enter the code "vMJDnBDRna" at this page:
https://www.designbold.com/account/gift-code
It said the code was expired or invalid, but I get the idea. It asked me to pay for the image I used when I downloaded my design. Is that where they say you need an extended license? I see that it didn't ask me to license the image that was already there where I started - it said it was free. Is it a free image, or one you licensed?
1. Sorry, try this one: vMJDnBDRna
2. If you look at the left column, there are template with both free photo and paid stock.
Eg:
This one, everything is free
https://www.designbold.com/design/edit/yO23n3zG4r
This one includes stock that user will need to pay, because it used images from Agency
https://www.designbold.com/design/edit/xELD70W92p
Code still not valid, and 404 on both links. 
I just updated the links, make sure you already logged in: This one, everything is free https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/social-media/yO23n3zG4rThis one includes stock that user will need to pay, because it used images from Agency https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p
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« on: October 18, 2016, 15:12 »
I see no problem with this whatsoever.
You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?
Not really. We do modify the stocks to re-produce a new template.
If you take 2-3 minutes trying to create a design from this template
https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p
1) try to search for other photo and drag into the design
2) then download it (you will be asked to register an account when downloading)
After download your design, you will understand more about how our system works.
PS: You will need some stock photo credit for testing download, I just created a PROMO code for some stock photo from Agency. Please enter the code "vMJDnBDRna" at this page:
https://www.designbold.com/account/gift-code
It said the code was expired or invalid, but I get the idea. It asked me to pay for the image I used when I downloaded my design. Is that where they say you need an extended license? I see that it didn't ask me to license the image that was already there where I started - it said it was free. Is it a free image, or one you licensed?
1. Sorry, try this one: vMJDnBDRna 2. If you look at the left column, there are template with both free photo and paid stock. Eg: This one, everything is free https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/social-media/yO23n3zG4rThis one includes stock that user will need to pay, because it used images from Agency https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p
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« on: October 18, 2016, 14:50 »
I see no problem with this whatsoever.
You see sites all the time selling wall art - those sites are API partners of agencies, and the sites do nothing (and put up no money) to offer the entire inventory of the agency to their users. When a user buys wall art, the site licenses the image (thus paying the photographer) and fulfills the order. The site is basically an ad platform to display images, and if someone want the image, they facilitate licensing. And they get a kickback from the agency as well. (As you should, as an API partner.) Same idea, right?
Not really. We do modify the stocks to re-produce a new template. If you take 2-3 minutes trying to create a design from this template https://www.designbold.com/design/trial/facebook-post/xELD70W92p1) try to search for other photo and drag into the design 2) then download it (you will be asked to register an account when downloading) After download your design, you will understand more about how our system works. PS: You will need some stock photo credit for testing download, I just created a PROMO code for some stock photo from Agency. Please enter the code "vMJDnBDRna" at this page: https://www.designbold.com/account/gift-code
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« on: October 18, 2016, 14:30 »
So you're paying a regular license fee to display the work as part of your collection, and if a user decides to use the image in a graphic that is deployed somewhere, then the user pays a second license fee for that image. Correct?
Perfectly correct. And I try to convince the Agency & their contributors that is the right way to interpret our photo usage. What is your opinion, ppdd?
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« on: October 18, 2016, 14:02 »
On checking out the website my initial thought is that you need to pay a few hundred dollars to get a proof reader as there are quite a few errors, like it has been written by a non native English speaker.
Thank you, we will be fixing all the typos before launching. Also what is ephoto.com you spent all that money on? That isnt the design platform right?
I did want to use this as the official name for the startup but the team voted to keep the old name until now. I have to figure out how to to use this domain later.
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« on: October 18, 2016, 13:06 »
Great response as well as valuable feedback Jo Ann Snover! I really appreciate. You can work with existing agencies to license content through the agency API. You get lots of content with no work on your part beyond implementing the API, but you have to live with their license terms
I already worked with agency, the main argument is which license will be applied to our stocks usage. 1. We are not sub-licensing the stock 2. We are not distributing the stock 3. Every time any stock that we used is being downloaded, we charge the user another regular license fee and send an API notification to the agency. Why do we have to pay for the Extended License? Will you be cheaper, or better, or offer something they don't? Very much like stock business, the market size is big enough for many providers: - We will offer a more variety of template design
- We will support multi languages in our design
- When we have enough users, we may considering offering on-demand design services.
Thanks again for a very helpful reply.
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« on: October 18, 2016, 10:45 »
1. You have to understand that our templates are new kind of templates.They are not like PSD or AI, I clearly stated in the post. Your photos are not being sub-licensed. Every time a stock is used by our users, you will get a payment
Then, there are many ways as others suggested:
1) affiliate - with api, and files not hosted on your website;
2) accept uploads directly from us - as Canva does;
3) paying an extended licence;
Buying and reselling our photos as part of a template - be it old or new kind - is not allowed by regular licences.
Thank you very much lemonyellow! That's why I also mention that I need someone to help me with that. The worst case it we have to build our own stock partner program and offer a good payout to start with.
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« on: October 18, 2016, 10:08 »
Let me get this straight... You register here yesterday, give a proposal that would fail in any kindergarten class, ask for a mill, and use little hipster terminology like "bro" ... well just to try to put you out of your misery I think this forum is the best place to come for a million reasons you should go somewhere else. You might want to try Trump, he is on a winning streak and loves success.
You may not want to welcome new member but others will certainly be okay with that. If you are not happy, I am not inviting to my post either. Be cool.
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« on: October 18, 2016, 09:53 »
1. I don't think the stock photos our designers used in the template will require Extended License. Do you agree? If yes/no, what is the key reason?
You are kidding me right? You admit a mass fraud in public and you should get sued. You basically sub-licensed our image material without paying the corresponding license fee (extended). If you purchase a standard license it is for a end user.
If you run a "serious" business you should find at least the time to read the TOS.
If you want content, pay for it. Start to talk to contributors. Pay a upfront fee. Build a relationship with photographers. And first and foremost DELETE any material you created with invalid licensed content.
Be calm Tror. 1. You have to understand that our templates are new kind of templates.They are not like PSD or AI, I clearly stated in the post. Your photos are not being sub-licensed. Every time a stock is used by our users, you will get a payment 2. Have you tried our system? It not, take 1-2 minutes to try it and you will see the difference.
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« on: October 18, 2016, 09:20 »
Why business has to be so serious? I built $30M in revenue already bro!
Does that count?
Doing what? Another company?
Yes. We had JoomlArt.com - a small Joomla company, but we built the best Joomla templates for many years. I can proudly say that we are the biggest Joomla company so far
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« on: October 18, 2016, 09:13 »
Why business has to be serious? I built $30M in revenue already bro!
Does that count?
Y-Aye man, if you got $30M in revenue why don't you just spend $1M yourself and enjoy the remaining $29M?
Revenue is not Profit. Building stuff that people use is also enjoyable though
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