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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift
« on: December 24, 2011, 07:42 »
they can search by age but this will also get mostly excusive images nowdays. lol
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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift« on: December 24, 2011, 07:42 »
they can search by age but this will also get mostly excusive images nowdays. lol
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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift« on: December 24, 2011, 00:26 »
people still find files by doing search by downloads. New files will never be found. No point taking anything off in protest ,it is not seen anyway. I uploaded a couple of files that have next to no views. Quite dramatic turnaround. I will not bother putting anything else up, not worth the effort or commission rate. No loss to Istock but I wonder where they will be in 12 months. But dear files at Is or get cheaper (just as good files elsewhere? Do not ever believe exclusive files are better. Many would not even get accepted into SS. Quite a problem long term for exclusives.
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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Revised targets« on: December 23, 2011, 21:20 »
it is cents not sense that prevails
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Off Topic / Re: Happy Christmas Everyone!« on: December 23, 2011, 00:37 »
stay safe and have fun. Beach weather starting here, its been a slow start to summer.
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General Stock Discussion / Re: What should be the ideal image prices?« on: December 23, 2011, 00:35 »
licencing is all rubbish. We do not know who buys them for what and when. I did a google image search and found one of my images used as an high selling album cover. Great but did they buy an EL? Probably not. Now they use the same image for stickers and tee shirts. Did they buy usage again ,no way. So who is ripping who off. Unfortunately it is often the designers . The end customer would probably pay. Why do some designers feel they need to rip off the photographer? Why don't we get EL when they are applicable? Do the salespeople at the agencies ever check or ask what it will be used for (how many times).
The right price? Sell micro for nothing less than $1 per image . Give us 50%. What really gets to me is IS putting up prices and downgrading our royalty rates at the same time. I also believe that there could be grounds for specials for education institutions etc but $1 per image is special. Any discounts given to customers for poor service from an agency should come off the agency's cut not ours. 106
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift« on: December 22, 2011, 06:26 »
"Considering that 99.9% of these "mentors, founders of the entire stock industry" are the same ones that several years ago were saying and repeating that a) microstock would never take off and couldn't never offer quality content, b) digital photography never would replace film, this new prediction can be considered a garantee of success and future for istock."
The outcomes of individual company's marketing strategy are easier to predict than tecnology of the future. Clearly sales for independents are in the main from "downloads" searches. Nothing new gets seen. Giving exclusives a better best match and new content from exclusive great best match shows a worrying pattern not just for independents but many old faithfuls will see an accelerating decline in income. Sales from Istock already appear down only made up by higher prices and TS. Searches will not look better at Istock than elsewhere. I would say they may look worse, more expensive and have less variety. Tell me I am wrong but this is business. Money is being made short term without real long term strategies (apart from sell on the basis of record profits). Certainlt what happens to contributors is not part of the plan. It is better to get in "collections", no inspection required and good cash rewards than deal with contributors en masse. 107
123RF / Re: Change in Commission Structure for 123RF.com Contributors« on: December 22, 2011, 02:14 »
well I guess I will not be joining in the NEW Year. Another thing I don't have to do. I was thinking I should join as they seem to be getting better sales than a year or ago.
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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift« on: December 22, 2011, 01:58 »
how could you get to be an exclusive at Istock if you were starting out now? (apart from instant pre arranged promotion with a collection).
What do they want long term? All exclusives? Independents just on TS? Only exclusives that put in heaps of new content? 109
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive Best Match Shift« on: December 22, 2011, 01:53 »
there appears no use in uploading as an independent at all. The sales I get are mostly through TS or probably from uses who search by downloads. As time goes on the files will all go to the bottom.
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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Another Massive best match Shift« on: December 21, 2011, 11:58 »
I have noticed that new files are buried to th extent that it is not worth uploading, Old stuff buyers may find by downloads but clearly they do want new independent content. Any new contributors would be best advised to save there efforts for elsewhere. If you are a new contributor IS is clearly middle to poosible lower tier sales (as it will be for all bar exclusives)
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General Stock Discussion / Re: Is it a good thing if Shutterstock stays #1?« on: December 16, 2011, 19:00 »
You can not change what is. Just deal with it. Exclusives at IS should try to get accepted at SS. You do not have to put images for sale, just get accepted. I believe most may get a shock. Many if they put up their best ten by downloads would not get in. Standards have lifted.
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General Stock Discussion / Re: Is it a good thing if Shutterstock stays #1?« on: December 16, 2011, 18:44 »
we all love money. Yes it does bring some of us happiness. Istock was doing that for many. Exclusives mostly. Often with royalty rates that were unsustainable. It changed that and now most are not so happy. Because of the poor relations with everybody (except a few fan club members) it lost business. To help exclusives stay loyal it pushed their images to the front of searches. So some are not so unhappy.
For independents old files sell if the customer searches by "downloads". New ones are now buried. Whilst it is self destructive to remove images from IS it probably is no longer worth the effort to put new images up (unless they are in a very small niche category). best match strongly favours exclusives. If you are exclusive and leave you will lose from IS big time. This is a penalty for dropping exclusivity rather than a reward for staying. The wrong sort of motivation in business long term. SS meantime has made it harder to get images accepted. Many exclusives would find that old favourites with good search positioning would not be accepted into SS. It is not that Shutterstock is great it that IS has been self destructive. You can quote rubbish figures all you want about average sales amount at IS but for most of us it will end up being 25 cents per image at IS. Most will be sold through TS not IS itself. An increasing percentage are being sold through partner program. Customers may at times be dumb but they are not stupid. They will buy of TS or try to buy using "downloads" to search. Dodgey price sliders and other reluctly introduced search features do little to appease customers. Long term it looks bleak the longer it takes to drop excusivity the more it will cost you and the longer you wait the lower your rewards will be at IS. They have gone as far as they can to milk money with higher prices to compensate for lower sales.. 113
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Non-exclusive photos almost non existant in searches« on: December 13, 2011, 16:18 »
yes it is depressing. Even more so considering sales are not booming for exclusives. It is another barrier to dropping their crown and another incentives to not upload for independents. I do not upload much their at all but did put a few up. All have so few views because of being buried it is really not worth it. One thing to try to keep exclusives with this best match change but what about the future?
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Shutterstock.com / Re: Ridiculous rejections« on: December 13, 2011, 06:04 »
It is easy to get accepted at SS. Put ten good images in. If you put in average to poor images you will probably get rejected. The average images may get accepted or rejected depending on the images. Alamy is much easier with acceptance and inspection standards. Yeah they pay more per image but you sell much less. Why would you think people here are making $20 per month at SS? Credit card? ID? - They are careful, would you rather have the IS frauds? OK ZRmedia what gives you the right to bag out SS you have not even got ten images that can pass initial inspection (subsequent inspection is harder)?
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General - Top Sites / Re: I Just Love That Green Line Of Arrows On The Right Side Of The Forum« on: December 12, 2011, 21:28 »
I was thinking where would IS rate without exclusive's sales? It would appear that a greater percentage of their sales are by exclusives with everthing else pushed down in best match. If you had to compile a list of earnings by agencies for independents how would it change. My view is that istock is prob second tier (maybe lower) without exclusive sales..
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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Refunds?« on: December 09, 2011, 20:39 »
I am small on IS and yes a refund. It is probably severe for some. Dot sliders, broken updates and fraud? Woo YAy, IS is god.
Stop whinger you independent IS haters. Exclusives will rewrite the software for them soon and chase down the thieves ( it is the resonsibility that comes with the crown) 117
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock« on: December 07, 2011, 22:52 »
woo yay? Really it is not about bashing. It is just about trying to understand the self destructive nature of IS. Of course IS is forging ahead and gaining market share??? As for the trying to justify the changes it sort of sounds like Tea Party devotees trying to explain how giving more to the rich and taking from the poor will save your economy. All great if you do not think too hard or have the misfortune to understand Economics or marketing.
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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock« on: December 07, 2011, 22:39 »
"Anyone here knows I call it like it see it."
Sometimes you can be too close to see the big picture. It is not how IS experts can use the software/sort etc. It is about customer service and meeting their needs. I find it really funny to see contributors writing script etc. It is interesting how the "budget basement tag" gets pushed onto SS. For many of us they earn more per image and per sale than IS. It was sad to see independent bashing at IS on the forums when the royalty changes happened. It is also sad to see some of those people now being in a position that they are making the hard transition to go independent. How . did it all happen? Customers? Contributers? It is a puzzle lol 119
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock« on: December 07, 2011, 22:28 »
Sean why ask us how to make a "price slider"?
Maybe it is not what the customers want at all. It would be a good idea to talk to the customers what will best suit their needs and implement it. What happened is change imposed on them and then a slight compromise to give them changes in sorting. Clearly it is not the contributors or buyers who are driving changes. In marketing it may be. How are the sales reimbursements going? It seems more image theft? 120
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock« on: December 07, 2011, 22:21 »
"Folks, these are things that have multiple prices per product, choosable by the buyer. Conveniently, they are sorted into collections, each of which is relatively more expensive then the next. Since they are "relatively" more expensive, an abstract way of representing it is needed."
Said like a true evangalist. What nonsense. The collection they wanted is diffused by confusing price points and inconsistencies. Are P+ better??? Are exclusive images better than independent?? These changes are not about giving better product service and meeting demand and wants. They were about getting more money. Guess what ? If you ignore customers they take their business elsewhere. It seems that the forums at IS are often full of people having to tell customers how to shop, search or work around bugs. Maybe the customers/buyers should have to do an entry test and training course to buy. Maybe that would make it all rosy. Get rid of the dumbies that can not understand the system? 121
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock« on: December 07, 2011, 22:10 »
sjlocke "So, SS is for the 'dollar store buyer' who can't figure out a paradigm where things aren't all you can grab for $199 a month?
I'm sorry, but all this 'buyers aren't smart enough to know how to buy' stuff is really annoying me today. You can't say the entire buying public is leaving IS because they can't use a filter based on one post." Many of us now make more per sale at SS than we do at IS. SS has more EL and one off buyers. Why?? Do the people at IS not buy for EL or not bother to pay. It is not that buyers aren't smart enough but why should there be barriers?? If I go to a site to purchase something (not images) and it is difficult to interface I go elsewhere. Maybe I am dumb? Certainly some buyers are lazy and also have enough hassles in thier lives without IS or others adding to it. Put up barriers to buyers and pee them off and they leave. Are they lazy? - often like all of us, that is why they buy an image at IS rather than go to TS?? Why I get a sale at Alamy for nice dollars when they could have had the same imge at SS fo 1/100th of the price? Do not make them learn extra features or they may get cheesed of and go to TS or SS.. 122
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock« on: December 07, 2011, 21:22 »
for every buyer that goes to the forums peed off there are many more in the wings quietly signing up elsewhere. Does not matter what we think. If the buyers say they do not like wanky dot sliders that is it. Forcing them to not be able to sort was not working so why not give them what they wanted? It is really really poor marketing. Nonsense about differentiation of the markets is great but segmentation analysis justification in this case is rubbish. Nothing has been done form a marketing perspective. Trying to get more for less is not marketing it is just corporate greed. Sounds ok if it works but mostly it doesn't. Competition exist and buyer and contributer relations do count. Otherwise IS without buyers and contributers IS is just crappy software and some image thiefs getting free image downloads.
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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock« on: December 07, 2011, 19:38 »
form shady sue
"True story: I've got a friend who is, unfortunately and embarassingly, a serial complainer. Example: once we went to a restaurant which she wanted to try for some reason. The minute we went in I knew it wasn't for us. Everyone else was in their 20s or early 30s, and there was more drinking than eating going on. The music was unknown to me, loud and not to my taste. Fair enough. I'd have thought, "Whoops, this isn't for me" and left. Not my friend (aged the other side of 70). She marched right up to the barman and said, "That music's far too loud. You'll need to turn it down". The customer is always right? You have to cater to every market sector? I don't think so!" Well if your friend had been a loyal customer and she found that the price were all up 50%. The menu was new with lots of expensive stuff she doesn't like and the whole feel of it had changed.?? Maybe the restaurant did not want her as a customer??? We are not talking about new customers but rather existing. New customers will dine down the road at SS, Fotolia etc. Maybe there is a crowd that was itching for the new "dining" experience but many are turned off by it and the other resaurants are cheaper with more variety and easier to read menus. 124
iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock« on: December 07, 2011, 17:00 »
it seems to me that IS thinks the contributors should deal with customer relations and how to operate the site through their forums. Good luck with that strategy.
It also seems that the site is being defrauded again. Lots of refunds . No arguing this time.If it is credit card fraud they do not care. Take back the royalty, leave the file downloaded with the customer or theif and ignore complaint. The site appears to be trying to maintain profit by getting more through dwindling sales and selling through other sites that do not annoy the customer as much as IS does. Good luck with that as a long term strategy. Much has been said about variety and yet IS keeps accepting multiple similar images from exclusives and putting them in searches. It also pushes down cheaper files (irrespective some cryptic/confusing dots sliders to try to overcome exclusive/P+/vetta) Good luck as that as a long time marketing tool. It has allowed many popular images that were at the site to be withdrawn with bailing contributors and many do not bother to upload there any more ( wilst uploading to all the other major sites). Oh yes they have exclusives will that save them? Operationally they cannot fix bugs/deal with valid complaints or keep goodwill with contributors. Not sure who runs their strategic management (if it exists) but it is a fail in my view. 125
iStockPhoto.com / Re: You are just appointed CEO of iStock, outline your first 3 actions« on: November 30, 2011, 20:03 »
1)rename Thinkstock IS
2)Move all vetta/p+ to getty 3)Sell old software to someone you hate |
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