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General Stock Discussion / Getting Access and Trading Images
« on: June 28, 2007, 11:28 »
Just had an interesting experience with relation to trying to get media credentials as a freelance photographer and I thought I would share.

There is an event at a ski resort the weekend of July 5 relating to extreme mountain biking.  I contacted the resort to get information about shooting the event.  On their website, they have posted the required paperwork and qualifications.  I contacted the person at the resort completed the paperwork and was working on submitting it.

Today (two days later), I got another email from the resort.  They are asking for a release that outlines a TFCD agreement that allows them to use my images on a royalty free basis.  I figure no worries trade a CD of images for access.  Then I kept reading their release and came upon this clause

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Photographer understands and agrees that the Images may be displayed on the internet websites for XXXXX and its affiliated entities.  Photographer realizes, acknowledges and agrees that visitors to the XXXXX and its affiliated entities websites may be able to download the Images and that they may use them for their own purposes or amusement and that XXXXX and its affiliates entities cannot and will not control and will not be responsible or liable for such downloading and reuse by any third party.

So in exchange for access, they want me to allow anyone to download and use my images in any fashion they want from their web site even though I am trying to sell them through an agent?  I wrote back and indicated if they removed the clause I wouldnt have a problem, but I was unwilling to sign the document as is.

What would you have done?

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Albumo.com / Re: New Stock site
« on: June 28, 2007, 07:43 »
Adelaide - check the TOS for BigStock.  It has been a while since I read it but if I remember correctly, the language is virtually the same.  Essentially, they want to be able to use your images to advertise their site (just like any other stock agency).  The perpetual use I believe covers them in case 3 years after you remove your images, an ad is found cached on the internet somewhere based on what a web crawler saw before you pulled your images.

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Albumo.com / Re: New Stock site
« on: June 27, 2007, 19:22 »
I just signed up and started uploading.  I have to be honest - this is one of the BEST categorizing and keyword suggestion systems I have EVER seen.  I'm impressed.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: "Aggressive" Forums on ShutterStock?
« on: June 26, 2007, 18:38 »
I will never forget the critique thread about a model with acne riddled skin where the MIZ "photoshopped" a lunar landing craft landing onto the "craters" of acne on the model's cheek.  It was absolutely cruel but I laughed so hard my stomach hurt.

I think it's just the various communication styles - you don't have to participate in the forums to submit.  ;D

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Greg, these are very good questions and in my opinion, they are VERY valid.  I went through a period over the last year where I had to examine what I was doing and why.

I don't know how long you've been doing this, or what your experience is over time so I'm not sure how to  analyze questions.  I will say the following....

The things that helped me go forward included analyzing what experienced photographers do and looking back at my portfolio.

Looking back at my portfolio is the biggest key.  I started with micros in October 2005.  Those images that I posted then are still selling.  I've also observed the portfolios of those in the micros and macros - and I'm seeing the same thing.  I'm also seeing that over time, the return is there.


Here's my analysis....Think of it as buying a bond.  In the beginning, you spend (as an example) $1,000 on that bond.  Over time, you get a dividend (monthly, quarterly, annual interest).  The more bonds you have, the more money you will make.  Think of every image as a bond.

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Crestock.com / Re: I knew it! Congratulations Eco!
« on: June 21, 2007, 08:50 »
Wow - a Mark III and now a Mark II.  I have the Mark II and am very happy with it - I'm sure you will be as well.  Terrific stuff and very well deserved!

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Alamy.com / Re: First RF sale on Alamy
« on: June 19, 2007, 21:14 »
I think it is often unfair that when people talk about microstock prices they say the share that they get, ie. 30 cents from shutterstock, $1.20 from lucky oliver, but when they talk about alamy, they say what alamy got.  After alamy share, and their partners share (if it was sold by another agency), the accounting fee and so on, often the REAL amount is less than 50% of the amount quoted.

Not to mention the minimum payout is $250 and at $65/image, with the frequency of sales, payouts at the smaller micros come just as often  ::)

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StockXpert.com / Re: Rejected!!
« on: June 18, 2007, 16:05 »
You know it's funny...I was on StockXPert at one time - in fact I joined VERY early on when they first launched.  I decided to go exclusive at DT so I pulled my images.  After leaving exclusivity at DT, I tried to go back and I've been turned away twice.  My images were good enough the first time but not the second (we're talking about the very same images).

No biggie for me - they don't want me, I'm not worried about it.  There are plenty of other agencies out there to do business with.

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Forgive me if I'm wrong but my understanding was that Shutterstock interpolates our files up after submission so honestly, the argument about 25 (or 30 cents) for a large file doesn't really hold up.  I thought I read somewhere about that in their submission requirements.

I have a 16.7mp camera and an 8mp camera.  I've found that there are certain sites I HAVE to downsize images in order to get them on.  BigStock is the first one that comes to mind - they don't accept anything over 10mb in size.  Some images make it, others don't.

I only downsize when I need to - ether on an individual basis for places like BigStock or in order to create a better composition or to salvage something that wasn't 100% in focus for the same reason Leaf states.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia V.2
« on: June 15, 2007, 13:04 »
Has anyone noticed that throughout the whole process the little green light to the right has remained on indicating that Fotolia is online?

I think Leaf has a secret portal in and isn't telling anyone about it.  ;D

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anything with a beating heart will sell well.  ;)

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia V.2
« on: June 13, 2007, 18:12 »
It looks like Fotolia has just started their V. 2 upgrade.

I hope so - seems that since they announced it, I haven't had a single download...nothing at all since May 15th.  It's very strange.  Granted I only have about 170 images there, I was getting them regularly until the announcement.

Am starting to worry.

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Microstock News / Re: ShutterStock press pass
« on: June 06, 2007, 13:46 »
The NPPA code of ethics outlines that you shouldn't pay the subject of your story.  For example, say you're doing a story on an Afghan woman with green eyes.  The NPPA doesn't want photographers to pay for that story as it may influence the truth or the story.  The practice is that the story must be as truthfull and unbiased as possible.

What I'm pointing out is that a model release isn't valid without consideration.  If you can't ethically pay someone for their picture as a photojournalist, then how can you get an enforceable model release?

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Microstock News / Re: ShutterStock press pass
« on: June 06, 2007, 13:00 »
Karin, every paper has it's own policies on what it will and will not publish.  Getting a release for editorial imagery (not inclusive in the term "photojournalism") is not necessary.  Editorial imagery can fall under the guise of everything from travel to lifestyle.

I understand with relation to what you are saying, but as long as a person's "reasonable right to privacy" (in the U.S. anyway) is not invaded, then there is no issue whatsoever.  There was a recent settlement between Jennifer Aniston and a paparazzi photographer where he shot an image of her topless.  He was standing in a public place taking the picture from public view.  Rather than take the case to court, there was a settlement where the photographer basically agreed to withdraw the photo.  The argument in court would have been if Aniston had a "reasonable right to privacy" undressing in front of a window in the view of the public.  Probably would have lost in court.

Let me also point out a contradiction - on a model release, there needs to be some sort of exchange (compensation or consideration) for the form to be legal and legally enforceable.  The NPPA itself outlines as part of its ethical code "Do not pay sources or subjects or reward them materially for information or participation." - it's #7 on the list.

I agree with you that you better know the entire story about who or what you are photographing though - your paper may have used a "model release" of some sort but other agencies may use a contact card instead.  I know in Denver, a model release is not always necessary and children are OK without their parents permission.  There is an article that shows up every year (and It's generic enough that I'm sure it gets replicated throughout the world) that when news is slow in the summer, photojournalists will go "cruising for art" and on a hot day, they may capture an image of kids running through fountains in a park.  Happens every summer and always gets published.

Take a look at the images available as editorial either at Getty or at Zuma Press - they're there for the taking (at the right price).

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Microstock News / Re: ShutterStock press pass
« on: June 05, 2007, 19:14 »
I agree with Leaf - take a look at Alamy.  The majority of the images there are "editorial travel" which very well may have pictures of kids playing at the beach.

I have a series there of the "Frozen Dead Guy Days" held in Nederland, Colorado - pictures of kids being carried in caskets as well as hippies playing drums.  I don't normally submit editorial imagery to the micros - reason being is once you sell them as royalty free, you can't sell them as rights managed - I've got a whole list of non-exclusive RM agencies that I upload those images to.  There aren't as many microstock agencies accepting editorial images so currently it isn't worth my while - I'm sure that will change within the next couple of years.

The press pass application backing offered by Shutterstock is the start of that change (most press pass applications require the backing of an organization - very tough when you freelance).

Fun stuff to break up the mundane "over white" type shots  ;D


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Microstock News / Re: Lise and Kelly in the New York Times
« on: June 05, 2007, 11:36 »
Depends who Brian Wilson is and how many albums he sold.


Think "Beach Boys"   ;D

http://www.brianwilson.com/

(I think I'm getting old)  >:(

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Microstock News / Re: ShutterStock press pass
« on: June 05, 2007, 08:41 »
Scoop (owned by Getty) requires 1 year exclusivity.  Citizen Image requires 3 month.

I personally have no problem with a 2 year exclusivity.  The images will be newsworthy during that time, then they will be sought after in a different market - textbooks, encyclopedias, etc.  Essentially, you're recording history - pretty good stuff when you think about it.  This is also a foot in the door with relation to local press organizations.  Here in Colorado, there is a sanctioning body that will grant you a blanket press pass for street photography (so you can photograph everything from accident scenes to protests, to local fairs and carnivals knowing that if the police confront you, they know you have a reason to be there and you are not causing mischief).  In order to get one, you simply have to prove you work in the industry.  Having backing like this, as a freelancer, makes the proof show (I just need to get my web site updated again).

What disturbs me is certain contributors in the Shutterstock thread seem to think this gets them an instant model release.  Maybe there should be a tutorial somewhere about what is acceptable as "Commercial" imagery and what constitutes "Editorial" imagery.

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Adobe Stock / Re: Fotolia V.2
« on: June 02, 2007, 18:10 »
Well, it appears the launch has been delayed a couple of days.  Hopefully it will be over a weekend when things are slow rather than in the middle of the week.

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I posted this in another forum and I think it's also appropriate here...

OK, I know I always have different views on things, and I don't mean to sound negative towards the survey but I'm not sure what information this survey is telling us and I'm not sure how to look at it.

"Most non-microstock photographers required less than $10K in investment for 2006" that's a very scary statistic in that it can appear a bit deceptive at first. I personally have spent over $15,000 in just equipment this year alone and I don't have any significant lighting equipment to speak of. Last year, I spent close to $10,000 on the same. This doesn't include studio space (which I am trying to secure soon), modeling fees, location fees, insurance, vehicle expenses, etc. I mean honestly, an entry level professional camera is $7,000. A decent medium format camera with a digital back goes for about $22,000. An established photographer, shooting for traditional agencies, isn't going to have to make that initial up front required investment.

My read is that non-microstock photographers made the investment in their equipment when they first started and the barriers to entry into the traditional market place are higher. It appears to me, newer photographers gaining entry into the industry are doing it through the micros or through agencies that don't require the traditional 48mb TIFF file for submission. That means more competition at the micro level...not only from new amateurs signing up, but also from pros moving into the market segment. It also means more opportunities for those like myself that want to make the move into this area. Looking down the road, it looks to me that things are going to get extremely tough and its time, now more than ever, to get serious and establish a concrete foothold before the opportunity slips by.

I was also intrigued by the distribution of income based on specialties. We all know business is a hot topic, but again, I think this can be a bit deceptive. Professional photo shoots sanctioned by a corporate customer are naturally going to bring in more money than a photographer that shoots travel imagery on speculation. My feelings are, all things considered, the distribution appears to be pretty regular amongst all categories.

The thing that really impressed me was the income based on licensing model. Royalty Free imagery does in fact appear to be more lucrative. That's a good thing for us!

Lots to think about in the survey. Am looking forward to further evaluation and the June issue.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Christmas is coming....
« on: May 30, 2007, 21:47 »
Yes the market is probably saturated, but one thing is certain - no Christmas images means no Christmas sales.

I wouldn't count on that.  I don't know why or how or what strange thing continues to curse me, but my portfolio is the contrarian portfolio.  December (Christmas) is always my best month ever and I don't have any Christmas images to speak of...there are three - a pine tree with a candy cane (lame) a pine tree with an ornament (lame) and two kids wearing Santa hats playing ice hockey.  They never sell during Christmas and honestly, I may sell one or two copies at this time.  Everything else sells like it's going out of style...doesn't matter if it's old stuff or new stuff - it just sells.

Having said that, my sales are finally starting to make a turn (albeit slowly) from my 5 month decline.  I suspect it's because everyone else is starting to experience the summer slowdown.

I don't get it.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Quality or quantity?
« on: May 22, 2007, 12:32 »
Maybe if he would follow the rules that everyone else abides by, then he wouldn't be such a target.

What rules are those?  Submitting to an agency and having a reviewer approve or refuse an image?

...or are you trying to beat a dead horse (again).

Funny how nobody ever brings this up and accuses folks like Bobby or Jaimie or Sean or Andres for "not playing by the rules" even though they've worked just as hard as Ron.

Come on guys, lets play nice and show some respect.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Quality or quantity?
« on: May 22, 2007, 11:51 »
I'm actually surprised that everyone keeps insisting on bashing Ron and his portfolio.  I think it's very uncalled for and very disrespectful.

I have stuff I sell because it's STOCK - I may not like it, it may not be artistic.  Its business.  If an agency likes it, they take it.  If they don't they don't.  I conduct my business the way I want to and the way that makes it effective to me.  Who am I to judge what other people do and don't do?

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General Macrostock / Re: Photographers Direct
« on: May 21, 2007, 11:07 »
You can't upload to them if you play on the micros  ;)

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Off Topic / Re: UV Filters
« on: May 17, 2007, 09:37 »
Here's an experience I have had...I ALWAYS use a UV filter AND a lens hood.  Always.

On December 22 we had a pretty big Blizzard here in Colorado.  I was walking the pedestrian mall on 16th street taking pictures of the blizzard with a 70-200 and a 24-70 and a 20d with the accessory battery pack.  I switched lenses and was walking with the 70-200 on the camera.

I went to cross the street so I could try to frame a shot with the snow falling and a 'Denver' sign on mall.  I got about half way across the street and my feet went out from under me in some ice.  I landed on my knee.  My camera landed about 3 feet away from me, then slid into the curb all the time packing snow INTO the lens hood and against the filter.  I was hurting pretty bad and decided to go home.

I got home and dried everything out.  The battery pack for some reason wouldn't work any more on that body - but it worked on the 30d so I just swapped them out.  The 70-200 was unharmed.  The lens hood has some scratched plastic where it slid on the pavement.  The filter knocked loose from the metal ring and scratched where the snow packed into the hood.  The lens itself is still in perfect shape.

My filter and my lens hood saved me a repair job.  That's all I know.

Here's some images from the trip





I've used a standard UV on my 17-40 with a 20d and a 30d (both 1.6x crop factor cameras) and haven't had an issue.

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Off Topic / Re: My pet peeve
« on: May 16, 2007, 15:52 »
Miz - a very long time ago, I did some work for a magazine on a freelance basis.  The requirements were a margin on the right and a margin on the top - both for copy space.  If they wanted a cropped image, they cropped it.  Was as simple as that.

The latest PACA meeting had designers expressing the same sentiments.  Give me full body shots and uncropped images - we can do the cropping.

Though I do agree with non-stock related stuff...did a wedding a couple of weeks ago.  I went ahead and cropped some images for the bride and groom.  They liked the cropped images better than the uncropped images - and they didn't know enough to know it was the same photograph.

You shoot with a 16mp camera - why not shoot uncropped, then crop to your liking and submit both?

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