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« on: February 03, 2017, 10:58 »
This person has a similar approach:
https://www.pond5.com/artist/patuwe97
Over 22,000 clips, HD at $299 or $300.
A few hundred photos at $429.
I discovered their portfolio a few years ago and it was much smaller back then and the pricing was similar as now. If they have motivation to grow their port like this, I assume that this approach must be working, at least to some extent.
Definitely food for thought for all the people who think that a Peanut Vending Machine like Videohive/Envato is the pinnacle of stock video industry.
yes but this portfolio and the other cost practically zero..a camera, not even a good one considering the video quality, and just be in a place...most editorial. so it makes sense to price high...probably they won't sell many video anyway so better try to sell one or two instead of 12...hotelfoxtrot has a cost per video that she cannot only hope to sell 10 video..she needs or bank won't wait a lot to take her house:)
1027
« on: February 03, 2017, 09:40 »
anne leibovitz had a 1,5 million dollar contract with vanity fair but she fills bankrupt some years ago and was full of debt...cause she shoot portrait spending much more than what needed.
Alternatively, "...Leibovitz, 59, has managed to overstretch herself financially with a taste for lavish living. Faced with a history of unpaid bills and taxes, and heavy costs of renovating her Manhattan property ..."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6176168/Annie-Leibovitz-avoids-bankruptcy.html
for sure she spend money for herself...but she also took for example stylist and make up who costed her 100000 dollar for a bunch of shooting. my point is this kind of production are totally useless for this economy and i'm sure she will soon change perspective. the micro stock industry in the next year will be flooded by content of this kind especially from easter europe where production like this cost 10% of what they cost in uk or italy or usa. microstock is a war between poor.
1028
« on: February 03, 2017, 09:28 »
https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22561917/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html
take a clip like this....how much u think it will cost?
at least 1500 pound.
another one. and she produce in brighton. maybe all thise people shoot free but i doubt.
Speaking of selling those kinds of videos, I just saw this clip:
https://www.pond5.com/stock-footage/22567918/happy-diverse-group-business-people-isolated-white.html
in this video (1:42 in): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdVvTAR6jow
it's nice to see...anywya i browse her video...very expensive production. in an industry with demising return and agency that from a day to another can lower your income of 50% well in my opinion in long run is not viable. i won't be surprised if at one moment she will go to shoot in another country.
anne leibovitz had a 1,5 million dollar contract with vanity fair but she fills bankrupt some years ago and was full of debt...cause she shoot portrait spending much more than what needed. so not always having big sales, especially in an industry so competitive and with lower earning per sale, means a lot of earning. 32 people are useless...or u could even shoot 1000 to boost the ego...but 12 people and a tighter crop would have made the same results.
1031
« on: February 03, 2017, 08:01 »
I don't know how much content this guy sells and it isn't my business but looking through his portfolio and wow here is someone who is setting a trend and not a sheep following other sheep doing the same things.
Definitely, definitely the most interesting, unique and niche stock video collection I have come across ever and what he shoots is "real", nothing set up or looking stock-like.
One of the better collections too and for those that think it's easy, have a second look, it's not easy at all to get what he gets. I plan to make sure everyone at my company is aware of this portfolio so we can go through it and see if there is anything we can use and to pass it on to others. The cost to set up some of these shots would be astronomical and he is giving them away for $200 a clip?.
He is thinking outside the box and doing what no one else is doing. Bravo!
well i agree is a lot of work...he shoot editorial mostly..quality to me seems not so good...color and exposure often are off charts. he shots anything available and works a lot...but difficult? difficult are the clip produce by top earners like hotelfoxtrot...those are amazingly difficult to produce...
1032
« on: February 02, 2017, 12:52 »
while there is a tiny bit of recovery in terms of number of download most if not all are old photos...nothing new sale,.
dreamstime must do something about this.
1033
« on: February 02, 2017, 12:51 »
I only just started submitting to Fotolia myself. After about a day or so following my initial uploads, I made my first sale there. Since then, sales have been very slow but to be fair, I only have an extremely small portfolio on that site. Ive now accumulated 38 photos in my Fotolia port and made a total of 4 sales. I also submit my work to Shutterstock, iStockphoto and Dreamstime and I currently have over 100 photos on each of those sites (so still a very small amount of images.) Also just started submitting videos to SS.
u sell like me ..i have 2500 files in fotolia and i sold 4 files in last 3 days....in ss i sold more than 240....fotolia selle mostly pure micro stock a lot of conceptual and illustration. see the photos of the day. very few landscape and travel.
1034
« on: February 02, 2017, 12:48 »
in the last three days i uploaded more than 500 files to ss and fotolia...ss accepted more than 70 % fotolia similar...in ss i'm selling practically 5 photos per hour...today i'm at 30 files sold at 18,47...fotolia i sold 1 file in three days.
what puzzle die i see many portfolio of basic files or with mostly holiday content like valentine who have green or blue rank...
i shoot mostly generic and travel and i have the impression fotolia sell mostly other kind of files. i'm also based in europe.
well i also have a lot of editorial in my portfolio who fotolia don't have but i really cannot understand why i nor sell in fotolia compared to every other agency.
1035
« on: February 02, 2017, 11:17 »
If buyers use these instead of ODs then the amount to us will decrease - you can be sure this will not increase sales enough to make up for the royalty difference.
One statistic I track for all agencies every month is the amount earned per accepted image - this gives the best picture of how images on that agency are selling and indicates which are the best for future submissions. For SS last month the number was the worst since May of 2009, just after I started. Things look bad and are getting worse. Even though I just do this part time and mainly for fun, it is hardly worth the effort to process, keyword and upload any more. I suspect with this change we will have reached the tipping point, or at least this is the one that will do it for me.
SS was the one agency that kept rolling along more or less steadily. We will see how this plays out going forward, but as we have all seen in the past these sorts of announcements rarely work out well for contributors.
well already decreased a lot the on demand.
1036
« on: February 02, 2017, 10:25 »
Yes, only 10 and 50 packs are affected.
If your percentage is 30% earnings are 0,59 $ for 50 pack and 0,87 $ for 10 pack.
Less than 2,85 in demand but more than 0,38 sub ...
considering that in demand are less and less every month...well it could be interesting if they can reach a good volume of sales.
1037
« on: February 02, 2017, 10:24 »
anyway ss is till selling very good..after uploading big batch i got two good days...fotolia even uploading is not selling nothing for me...i don't know why but can't sell nothing in fotolia....i think fotolia is more oriented towards model released photos and studio stuff
1038
« on: February 02, 2017, 09:45 »
i was telling production cost are so low in eastern europe that a lot of people do stock..with this pace the only country left to produce stock will be some remote african region....even begging in the street is getting much profitable than microstok...they are not ashamed? luckily those people like everybody will die with all the money they earn with them.
1039
« on: February 02, 2017, 09:43 »
shutterstock is ending the same way stock. but the content is also much worst...lot of scammers, spammers...million of ugly files...model and food photography so * poor.....who ids buying this stuff?
i mean if i were somebody who have a business i will go directly to stocksy...if i not even have 10 euro to pay an image for a project what kind of business is this?
in my opinion there is pac for a real cooperative of talented stockers to recreate something similar to stock or ss in the first year. don't know the cost of such a project.
1040
« on: February 02, 2017, 09:39 »
They gotta pay for that second floor they just started renting in the Empire State Building somehow.
Could you imagine how great a company Shutterstock could be if they respected where their content came from as much as they indulge themselves? If only they chose to pay contributors fairly instead of blowing ridiculous amounts of their profits on excessive luxuries like some of the most expensive office space in the world...
Isn't that just the way capitalism should work, that the ones that happen to be in the right place, in the right time and made a move get all the luxuries while others gather crumbs? It's all in vain since there will always be someone somewhere who will work for almost nothing out of desperation and deliver the same quality. It happening in the whole world, in every industry. Why would microstock be an exception?
yes but history showed also the the rich at one point run away faster because poor got taking them with gun.....second war began because millions of germans didn't have nothing zero while a bunch of people had all.....we live in a world where mediocre football players gain 30 million euro a year in china while china workers earn 100 dollar.....the limiti is reaching fast...trump putin looks very similar to those who flame the masses in the 1932..
1041
« on: February 02, 2017, 09:05 »
still not received my password
1042
« on: February 01, 2017, 12:40 »
well 50 60 download. all so easy?
Not easy for the average producer, but she sells many of her clips several times per day.
u look video expert...what camera u suggest...i am photographer and i use only pentax camera , k1 and 645d and z nowadays with plenty of pentax lenses plus ricoh gr.....but i'm not satisfied by video, mostly for lack of 4k and frame per second. i shoot drone with go pro and i have also a s800evo for photo...i plan to buy a gh4 used and add the gh5, to use with my glasses adapted and native glass. or better move to sony a7? i also like the black magic for guerrilla type video but it looks to have so many limits. and i want buy a small powerful light led video kit. what you suggest?
1043
« on: February 01, 2017, 12:35 »
Do you think she has company or she is registered as hobby job or something like this which is possible in my country.
hobby? she's a house of production. probably she has 4 5 people full time...i watch some clips to find inspiration and not a single one is a snapshot. in my opinion most of her shooting produce maximum 20 clip 30 clips. every clip seems planned and probably to have one clip she shoot it 5 10 times, like a film.well great approach but in a market where everybody copy each other and everybody is uploading like crazy i don't know the future...even yuri archers who made millions first year move from expensive denmark to south africa,...
1044
« on: February 01, 2017, 12:08 »
Well, 30 people for one day, maybe 100 each, and she might get 50-100 clips from that. Plus location costs and production team.
Let's say 4,000 for 50 quality clips. 80 per clip to produce. She makes that back very quickly.
well 50 60 download. all so easy?
1045
« on: February 01, 2017, 12:02 »
1046
« on: February 01, 2017, 12:00 »
anyway if we look at numbers 20 k with 55000 quality video clip looks like 0,5 dollar per clip at month....well not a great rpc....even for a producer of super clips....so everything returns to the same point...quantity is the real force of micro stock, without giant number of production you can have alla the quality stuff but earning will be low.
Well, I think her total is probably closer to $60-80,000 per month from all sites. Her clips are in the top on most sites. So maybe $1.5 per clip per month is a realistic figure.
Still not that great since I get around $2 per clip per month and I don't have anything in the corporate/people/aerial categories at all!
well lot of money they seems...1000000 dollar year? personally i knew i should began video and this year i will...i have 4 drone:)) only used for photos never sold a video;(( yes i agree....th last video witht 30 professional model....how much she spend to produce this? one day of work not less than 5000 pound. this are production that look made for advertisement not micro stock... she make 1 million but all those clips not costed less than million to be done. only the helicopter stuff...cost 300 dollar 15 minutes...
1047
« on: February 01, 2017, 11:58 »
1048
« on: February 01, 2017, 11:54 »
I think her videos costa lot to produce, probably she spends 50% of the money on producment but its still good, considering the job is fun, its not like to work in office.
Do you have idea if nature and travel videos sell good? I'm able to visit a lot of unique places in the tropics.
well it needs a lot of works..sure is not office but in my opinion it's fun sometimes but a lot of stress production, personally i worked very low in the last 10 years....travel a lot enjoy my time....this woman in 5 years produced 55000 clips...probably she worked 12 hours day saturday sunday included. she's a business producer...everything is organized. i quit my day job 10 years ago to be free.
1049
« on: February 01, 2017, 11:51 »
Artist resources at P5. He prices everything at $199/200 so if he sells a clip it shows up in the list.
And before anyone asks, I also know that he only sold those clips once each, since I am also in that list and know how much you have to sell to be placed there in certain positions.
So, to sum up:
Is he making money? Yes.
Is he making good money compared to the size of his portfolio? No.
Skyworksrf, Ailaimages, viafilms, hotelfoxtrot etc. are the ones actually making lots of money from footage at Pond5.
I remember reading in an interview that hotelfoxtrot often makes around $20-30,000 or so from Pond5 per month. But she also spends $1,000 or so for the production of a handful of clips (NYC aerials for example, helicopter, RED camera, etc.).
anyway if we look at numbers 20 k with 55000 quality video clip looks like 0,5 dollar per clip at month....well not a great rpc....even for a producer of super clips....so everything returns to the same point...quantity is the real force of micro stock, without giant number of production you can have alla the quality stuff but earning will be low.
1050
« on: February 01, 2017, 11:49 »
Artist resources at P5. He prices everything at $199/200 so if he sells a clip it shows up in the list.
And before anyone asks, I also know that he only sold those clips once each, since I am also in that list and know how much you have to sell to be placed there in certain positions.
So, to sum up:
Is he making money? Yes.
Is he making good money compared to the size of his portfolio? No.
Skyworksrf, Ailaimages, viafilms, hotelfoxtrot etc. are the ones actually making lots of money from footage at Pond5.
I remember reading in an interview that hotelfoxtrot often makes around $20-30,000 or so from Pond5 per month. But she also spends $1,000 or so for the production of a handful of clips (NYC aerials for example, helicopter, RED camera, etc.).
look good money...but every video clip be sure cost a lot of money...professional model scout location red camera....the first guy probably don't pay nothing for footage just a camera. so it's all about return. sure she's producing quality stuff.
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