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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 27, 2017, 10:28 »
Agree with the above, Shelma.

On a side note and also a rant, I received the following email today from Snapwire:

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Hi Alexandre,

Hope you've been well! We send 7 photos from some of our best photographers directly to photo buyers every week (buyers sign up for this through our blog: Snapwire Snaps). This email & blog is an incredible way for you to gain exposure as a photographer as it is one of the most powerful sources of photo sales on Snapwire and goes out to thousands of buyers. We want to feature a handful of the best photographers for Snaps, and because of your work, we would love for you to contribute.
We ask the photographers involved to contribute images that they are comfortable having under the creative commons public domain which makes them free to use. If you would like to be involved, please email 7+ high resolution photos back to me (using google drive or dropbox if they don't fit in the email). Include your personal website &/or Instagram.

What's this industry coming to?  :-\


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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 27, 2017, 09:19 »
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I am not sharing the assignment details, I can only say that there is a long list of details, requirements (e.g. shoot this, don't shoot that), preferences, photo samples, etc.

The money isn't great but if it gives you access to an event (SS gives you a press pass for example) that's a great networking opportunity.

I'm sure some briefs would be a breeze for some on here. 

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I live in Italy and I'm looking to sign up to a new gym for a membership now that winter is coming and won't be able to bike. You know what, there's a government requirement that all new applicants to gyms must have a certificate from a doctor that they're in good health before they can sign up. Which is strange because why do most people join gyms anyway?  ???

So, I went to this stupid doctor and got the certificate which cost me 40 euros. All the test was to check I had a pulse and could breathe. Seriously? I bet you that the Italian medical profession lobbied to have this regulation put in place as another form of stealth tax.

Another nanny state strikes again!

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Selling Stock Direct / Re: Approached by a client - need advice
« on: September 27, 2017, 08:48 »
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I also don't intend to offer single subscription prices.
And team subscriptions are much more expensive and I think there are only yearly deals, so I believe they want to get a deal because of that.

Would you be willing to pull your images from Microstock altogether in the hope of negotiating a more interesting deal with this potential client?

That's the thing about Microstock, once you stick your images on there, there's little negotiating room left. That's why I refuse to put my premium images on there since there's no incentive for clients to negotiate directly and if they do how much more can you offer?!!

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But I know, you were just trying to be one of the guys. 

"Locker room talk"  8)

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The problem is, if they add a checkbox "this model was retouched", then probably nearly everything in their databank will probably get hit.

Sending out a nasty sounding legal email puts the legal responsibility on all photographers and they can claim to their customers everything coming in now is following the French guideline.

It puts the onus on us and makes it easy for them.

Programming a new checkbox for upload, adding a notice to images in france - how are they going to do that...it will take them years..

This is the fastest way to solve the problem for them. One email and officially it is all over.

What will other agencies do?

Personally I believe it should be clear that all creative content might be edited...it is creative after all...if you want the real world, buy editorial.

or pay for a custom shoot.

The law is well intentioned, but silly, why should a model not want to edit her image if she wants to? People use make up, they use clothes, some even photoshop lizard skin on, why not?

Caricature, art, satire? How does French law handle that?

I agree with the above. The law goes too far and typical of "nanny states", although the intentions are great it hurts the very people who they're trying to protect and imposes unnecessary burdens on industries.

I've been reading up on the law and some requirements are shocking (not for us but for the models):

- Models in France will have to undergo a medical examination every two years and be issued with a medical certificate certifying that their they are in good enough health to work according to their BMI. The World Health Organization considers a person underweight if their BMI is below 18.5 and seriously underweight if it is below 16.

Some people are naturally slim with super high metabolism and it doesn't mean that they're unhealthy.

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What I find most puzzling of all is that a "nanny state" wants to change society's views in an artificial way. There's a demand for skinny girls and guys because that's what many in Western society want and expect (although I believe this trend is also prevalent in East Asia). In many parts of the world, including large parts of Africa, a woman is considered beautiful if she has massive curves.

Should overweight models also need certificates? The pendulum could easily swing the other way with regulators chasing their tail to catch up, as usual...

Then there's the concept that commercial photography is supposed to reflect reality. These policy-makers are confusing editorial with commercial. Since when are commercial images supposed to be realistic? Ok, fair enough that the scope of the law is narrow and only covers models' body shapes but that's how these things start...soon they'll want to start regulating ANY retouched images which will have to carry a notice for fear someone may be offended at some sort of "misrepresentation".

It's the politically correct times we live in and it shows on this forum when I tried to make a light joke about the matter and some people jumped on me for the use of the word "fatty". Let's not be Trumpish but meet somewhere halfway.


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Selling Stock Direct / Re: Approached by a client - need advice
« on: September 27, 2017, 05:06 »
Hi and good morning. Let's try to break this down as there's a lot to work with here:

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They found me on RF microstock agency site,  so it is not a RM deal.


Ok, for whatever reason they think it's cheaper to license directly with you than going through the Agency. This obviously works in your favour as you'll keep all commissions.

I don't see the connection between them finding you in RF microstock so it can't be a RM deal. Why not? They seem to be quite clear about what the purpose of those images is, so you may draft a RM license agreement. Plus, you're going direct so there's no conflict (I believe) in licensing it RM directly if it's on microstock as RF - need to check the contributor agreement with the Microstock agency you're signed up to and have those images. If they have such restrictions, consider pulling those images out altogether if you believe you'll make more from this deal than those quarters with subs at such agencies.

RM could be more interesting for you in this case as you can limit the usage for a time period and they would have to go back to you to renew the agreement if they wish to extend. There's also restrictions on usage (if it's for a website OK but if they want to make brochures it may not be possible). The client would most likely want RF though. Perhaps offer both options.   

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Do you have some experience with this and how much would you ask for it?


I don't have such experience licensing directly (which I would love to do), although I can share on the second question.

Getty Images has a handy tool for pricing an RM image:

http://www.gettyimages.ca/purchase/price-calculator/sb10069475ab-001

I went ahead and put together some generic information and it came up with a huge sum of 790 euros which Getty would charge (see attached). If you're at Getty you would receive 30% (I believe), so that's 237. That's pretty steep if they're available on Micros as RF which tends to be an argument which putting some premium images on micros is shooting yourself in the foot when it comes to this sort of situation.

I couldn't find a calculator for pricing RF images but in any case the calculation is much simpler.

For RF (one payment, multiple usages), it's more simple and you can negotiate a bundle package. Something along the lines of 250 images for $1,250 ($5 per image). I'm afraid it may prove difficult to negotiate higher than that. Look forward to what others have to say on this.

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Also do you know of some licensing contract or something which I could use for this?


Here's a good place to get started.

https://www.diyphotography.net/photo-licensing-look-basics/

Good luck!

Alex


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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 26, 2017, 14:32 »
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Its rebadged Flashstock from what I've seen we are talking $15 an image ;-)

So it's about $5/image? They should rename it "Shutterstock Custom Fiverr"!

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 26, 2017, 14:16 »
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If that's the agreement between you and SS, then SS owns your selected submitted images and can do anything they want with them forever, including licensing them to that same client at a later date for broader usage without compensating you, using it to market themselves without paying you, retouching out the brand stuff and selling the images to other people themselves on the SS site, etc. etc.

True, at face value this looks like a bad deal for contributors. However, this is before we know for sure how much each brief pays - OK, it's 20-30% but 20-30% of how much? To make up for giving away so many rights and other inconveniences I'd expect to be paid a considerable sum way above any microstock expected value.

I'd also want to take my "rights" (they're all implied since there aren't really any express ones!) to as close as I can to the grey lines, such as:

1. Would similar images be OK to be submitted (assuming they have no logos/trademarks)?
2. Direct contact with client or referrals outside the agreement? I wrote about this earlier.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 26, 2017, 12:48 »
Ok, I get that the transfer of ownership is a deal-breaker for many contributors. Other than that it's pretty standard legalese for me without being completely oppressive to the contributor, as there's numerous exceptions, such as:

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You may also make Submissions that we do not accept and for which we do not compensate you, on our sole prerogative (Unselected Submissions). You will own, all right, title and interest in and to the Unselected Submissions, however Unselected Submissions containing an identifiable brand in the image that were shot and submitted specifically for a Shutterstock Brief, may not re-sold or licensed or used for any commercial purpose whatsoever, nor may you represent that the Unselected Submissions were taken for a Shutterstock client or for a Shutterstock Brief, both of which are covered by Section 7, Confidentiality.


What if you just clone out the client's logos/trademarks and any other association with the client? This may be impossible for some shoots, Ferrari asks contributors to photograph Ferrari cars at a show and don't end up using such images. But for more generic briefs, I don't see many issues.

 8) rose-tinted glasses are on  8)

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Notwithstanding the foregoing, you will continue to have the right to display your Submissions solely as part of a personal portfolio demonstrating your photographic abilities."

Honestly, which lawyers did they hire to come up with this? It's like: "sometimes we'll make you work days on end for a project, not use your images for whatever reason, but (we'll be nice and) you may use it to show your work (but can't sell it). At least we're not complete monsters."

I think that's the LEAST they can offer, but I would have preferred some sort of small compensation in return for unused images. Something along the lines that, "in case images are not used for reasons specified in clause XX, contributor to be compensated $2 per unused image according to XX schedule".

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Which was so rich coming from the person who only last week claimed to want people to be judged according to the content of their character.

It was one of those Daily Mirror type headlines just to get the people's attention. A harmless joke.   :P

Did anybody here get offended?

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What was the original title? I missed it.

Victory for the fatties - Getty images notice on retouching commercial images.


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Fat people are fat, yes, but calling them a 'fatty' moves it from what could be considered a statement of fact, to a derogatory term. Like calling somebody a black person or a... something else.

I agree and edited it accordingly.

I'll draft a serious reply to this subject soon.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 26, 2017, 03:00 »
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Is this only photos, or videos as well?

Both.

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I'd like the OP to share a photo of his amazing, bodacious bod.


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From Gettyimages / iStockphoto:

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Effective October 1, 2017 a new French law obliges clients who use commercial images in France to disclose whether the body shape of a model has been retouched to make them look thinner or larger.

As a result, also effective October 1st, we have amended our Creative Stills Submission Requirements to require that you do not submit to us any creative content depicting models whose body shapes have been retouched to make them look thinner or larger.

Please note that other changes made to models like a change of hair color, nose shape, retouching of skin or blemishes, etc., are outside the scope of this new law, and are therefore still acceptable.

Effective 1st October 2017, any content submitted where this type of retouching has been carried out will be a breach of our Submission Requirements and your Agreement with us.

Nanny state strikes again!  :-*

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 24, 2017, 07:37 »
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I don't see how. The client will see you as a cheap resource. They paid you ten bucks an image to own your copyright. Why would they ever pay you more?

Everything is negotiable, I suppose.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 24, 2017, 05:24 »
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Really, they're just trying to grab the lion's share of fees for custom work from clients by underpricing the very people they represent. I'd think the folks who are getting independent assignments would see their assignments disappear as their clients realize they can get that stuff for a few bucks, and have ten or twenty people work on it, if they go through sS.

I agree, although this could be a great networking opportunity for contributors.

Depending on legalities such as confidentiality, client poaching etc, this may mean that contributors may be able to perhaps work directly with such clients. Again need to analyse t&cs carefully. I do have a legal background so does come in handy once in a while. 

After all, there's nothing stopping a contributor networking and if it leads to opportunities down the line, perhaps from a client's contact via referrals it's going to be much more profitable. Tread carefully though.   

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 24, 2017, 05:07 »
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but it says nothing about you being paid for the assignment if they decide not to use your photos.

If they don't use the images, surely they can still be uploaded as regular stock? Need to see the t&cs but seems logical that it should be OK considering someone has gone through so much time and expense (of which some was recovered) to create the content.

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Newbie Discussion / Re: images progression follow up !
« on: September 24, 2017, 04:55 »
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I am asking because I found out that some images for example have made it somewhere between the first and 5th pages of ( creative) in Alamy, and I am not sure if this is an indication that those images are doing well( even if there is no sale yet ) or is it just wrong to think this way ?!

You can check on Alamy measures to see which types of keywords clients are searching and how they correspond with your portfolio - views and zooms.

Even better is to see what "all of alamy" is searching on any given time period for up to a year and see if you can include some of these "hot" keywords within your images (don't do it if they don't fit the image as that's just spamming). I've attached a screenshot of the most popular keywords on Alamy for the past year.

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 24, 2017, 03:51 »
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Anyway, I look forward to your update now that you are accepted?

Yeah, for sure I'll update.

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I hear payments are tiered like ELs and in the smallprint it says that they keep the copyright, would newbies sell their content for 20% or veterans for 30%?  I guess that would be a deal breaker for many, if true.

Yes, they keep the copyright which is fair enough as it's fit-for-purpose exclusive content tailored for a client. In return I would expect higher payments for this burden. It would be highly advisable not to license the content elsewhere.

I imagine SS will have no issue recruiting enough contributors from their current army of 250,000 Microstock contributors. Not sure yet what the % is yet - probably a bit higher than 30% I think because it's supposed to be a "premium" service (probably wishful thinking).

What I found encouraging is that some briefs will allow contributors to file expense reports for some briefs to receive some reimbursements. Here's from their FAQ:

"On some assignments, you may receive an allotted amount for an expense budget. Expenses are for you to purchase props and/or product depending on the brief specifications. Sometimes, you will have the ability to select props to your wish, but other times there will be a set guideline on what you are to purchase according to the brief. It is your responsibility to check the brief guidelines to find out exactly what your expense budget should be used on. You will be reimbursed for your expenses by submitting all receipts."

They go on to add that the contributor would still be reimbursed even if the client decides not to use the images once the brief has been accepted.

"If they dont use the images I submit, do I still get reimbursed for product?" Answer: "Yes, you will be reimbursed for approved expenses as long as youve completed the assignment. You can upload receipts for up to your allocated expense amount when submitting your images."

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Did you get accepted or just the second email to complete the application?

Didn't receive any confirmation email but I can login into their dashboard. See screenshot.

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Iam judging the author by his behaviour. Bruttaly heavy spaming...

I love haters, they make me work harder.





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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 23, 2017, 17:58 »
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sorry but what a bruttaly idiotical title for an author with only $ in his eyes. :-*

Don't judge a book by its cover

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 23, 2017, 10:08 »
I just wrote a blog post about SS Custom:

http://brutallyhonestmicrostock.com/2017/09/23/review-introducing-shutterstock-custom/

It appears that they've accepted me :)

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Photo Critique / Re: SS portfolio critique need for advice.
« on: September 23, 2017, 07:28 »
Hi Den,

Welcome.

I can see you've put in time and effort into every image, which clearly shows.

I don't do still life so I'm probably not the best person to advise. What I can say is that some of your concepts aren't so original even if they're well-executed.

I would advise to come up with unique concepts revolving around trending themes, such as VR, drones, automation, dystopia, etc. Also, I didn't see you use any models and these types of images, when executed well and with a strong theme, are automatically premium.

Good luck

Alex

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Shutterstock.com / Re: Shutterstock Custom is born
« on: September 22, 2017, 10:48 »
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No idea if SS will be able to make this fly, but it isn't innovating.

In hindsight, innovation isn't the right word. It's more like diversification.

The model certainly works, Imagebrief seems to be doing well. 

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