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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Agency Collection Now Showing up on IStock
« on: September 15, 2010, 23:45 »
a test? gawd I hope so

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Agency Collection Now Showing up on IStock
« on: September 15, 2010, 22:22 »
you think you want it to be a joke? I look like a total ass for being so trusting. and to boot, it's a factory....unbelievable

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Agency Collection Now Showing up on IStock
« on: September 15, 2010, 22:17 »
allow me, those images aren't even up to vacation snapshot standards, let alone iStock standards. they are utter crap. total nonsense.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Agency Collection Now Showing up on IStock
« on: September 15, 2010, 22:11 »
I'm offended to have that garbage next to my work, and priced higher. I think I already said that.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Agency Collection Now Showing up on IStock
« on: September 15, 2010, 21:48 »
they are just plain bad. putting them next to our work and charging more for them is insulting. this is only one contributor so far, but you'd think they would have put the best foot forward. no way these are being inspected by the same standards. otherwise we might as well quit spending money on good equipment and start uploading pictures from our cellphones.

I'm embarrassed iStock. and disappointed. I hope you know what you are doing. sigh. I feel tested beyond the limit now.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 15, 2010, 16:31 »
Lisa - I'm not an apologist, I think your approach on this one couldn't be more wrong. Sadly, hate seeing you on this bandwagon. I resent you and others gouging my livelihood. I hope they don't kowtow, it will set another terrible precedent and I'm tired of these protests.

I can't see why any independent would refer a buyer to iStock as soon as these new rates kick in. The only person to blame in this is IS for the cuts, not the independents for acting in their own interests as a result.


I don't see why they would refer someone either. But actively canvassing for istock buyers to leave is a whole other thing. And based onisinformation. I hope buyers see through it.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 15, 2010, 16:19 »
Taking a stand based on what? Well done.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 15, 2010, 15:40 »
Lisa - I'm not an apologist, I think your approach on this one couldn't be more wrong. Sadly, hate seeing you on this bandwagon. I resent you and others gouging my livelihood. I hope they don't kowtow, it will set another terrible precedent and I'm tired of these protests.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 15, 2010, 13:14 »
Joe - it was through my work in design years before I contributed that brought me to iStock in the first place. if you know my posts as well as you say you do, you would remember that. anyways, this is the kind of stuff that usually keeps me from posting in here. I feel strongly about buyers being pointed away from iStock, but I think I've made that point. I'm sorry for independents and what they will go through, for sure. and less productive exclusives who will also be hit hard. I'll be surprised if something isn't modified by HQ, so you can look forward to that.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: September 15, 2010, 12:59 »
85% profit is not an accurate number. sigh. too bad, leaving takes away your support from many artists in fact.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 15, 2010, 12:44 »
lol...guess not. I'm fairly certain I won't be getting any from people in here. as for other contributors being worried or concerned, sure. I am too. but I'm almost always willing to give iStock the benefit of the doubt. not to mention, many of the people being attacked are friends or good people who sincerely don't deserve it. I have never subscribed to the us versus them mentality. Getty have continued to allow iStock's culture to flourish, with a sense of community. however, that community continues to grow, exponentially. it was clear five years ago that the model was going to change. I think there's going to be increased business and other positive things to come, as has always seemed to happen in the past. so far, in five years, I've never felt screwed over by iStock or Getty for that matter.

I have also said that I feel for independents. but at the same time, you're independent! you haven't committed to any one site, but you expect a certain level of commitment from them. I'm not sure I understand that. I have committed to a site, and taken all the good and bad that has come with it.

I have no doubt iStock is listening, as they always have, but hardly anyone will give them that credit next time. my guess is that we'll all see some form of concession. the worst part about that is you'll all believe it was because you protested. the concession might even leave us worse off, as concessions made regarding the partner program did. meanwhile many of you were high-fiving about that.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 15, 2010, 12:15 »
^ I don't think he does know how this will impact his income. Listening to his conscience....come on. This is business. You guys can't have your cake and eat it too. you're all over contributors like me for respecting and trusting iStock, you berate your fellow colleagues regularly, make false and libelous accusations....and now you're heralding acts of conscience. I don't know how your consciences allow most of you to speak to one another the way you do in here.

the loud minority does not represent a massive swath of serious contributors who wouldn't even bother to wade in here.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 14, 2010, 23:41 »
meh, why bother. good luck David, truly.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 14, 2010, 21:01 »
fair enough. but it's my guess you're all happy to watch David flounder while you wait it out to see what happens, so he truly is the only one putting his money where his mouth is and I think it will be to his detriment. I hate to see a valuable contributor do that to himself out of misguided loyalty (not because you don't deserve his loyalty, so don't nail me to that cross please, but simply because it is far too early to be jumping ship).

I think iStock has not been given nearly enough credit in this. that you feel a revolution is the only and best way to get them to listen...anyways, whatever. I'm beating my head against the wall. good luck David, sincerely. I do believe you've made an error and I truly am sad to see you go.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 14, 2010, 19:42 »
I hope it is worth it. by your admission, seems you've made a bad business decision if all the emotion is removed and you're cutting corners on things like internet access in your studio. anyways, good luck, you're a nice guy...

I have no doubt iStock would welcome you back at any point, that much I have seen with others who went non-exclusive to make a statement over past changes. still trying to find the heroism in cutting off your nose to spite your face...

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 14, 2010, 17:11 »
That's disappointing

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 14, 2010, 17:06 »
I applaud your determination.

I bet you do...I wouldn't expect you to lose sleep over a competitor leaving. :)

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: September 14, 2010, 16:20 »
I do understand and appreciate what that means for non-exclusives. In any case, best to everyone. I for one will be sincerely disappointed to see some of you leaving istock. If you infer otherwise from my posts, then I'm not achieving anything by posting here.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Money where my mouth is.
« on: September 14, 2010, 15:39 »
Fwiw David, enjoy the pats on the back, because I think you've made a big error in judgment. Sorry to see you go.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: September 14, 2010, 15:37 »
I see, so the empathy is a one way street. I'm supposed to have empathy while you point buyers away from my work. Anyways, I didn't post here to fight, but I'm certainly not a minority and I don't view this as us vs them anyways. You guys are the ones fueling that culture. You can insinuate that I don't care about non-exclusive welfare, but you are dead wrong. I just don't happen to agree with the sample of contributors in here most of the time.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: September 14, 2010, 14:03 »
Frankly sharpshot, I think it is best that independents continue to add diversity to istock. I don't think good riddance like many other very competitive contributors think. Istock is better with the mix of contributor types IMO. But taking that many steps further and trying to erode the business there has the potential to make that decision rather permanent.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: September 14, 2010, 13:07 »
Well gostwyck, your expectations of me supporting that kind of tactic are way off the mark. Especially if how people are treating other people is any kind of factor. I'm exclusive for a lot of reasons, but I also actively educate myself about the other sites constantly. Everything I know keeps me at istock. I think they continue to lead and bring us new and sustainable business. That does not imply absolute support for each and every decision they make, but I know where I want to be and that has not changed. And the support I do give to independents has been carried out in the form of cr sitemails to hq and on conversations with admins about the reduction for independents. But I don't support anyone pulling business out, no way.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: September 14, 2010, 12:29 »
All of your questions presume that your point of view on the situation provides an accurate prediction of the future available to us at istock. I don't have the same point of view, but I'm not an independent. And taking business from me to suit your career choices (remaining independent) is pretty crappy. Anyways, just offering my ten cents, because there's s pretty big bias here most of the time. But I suspect no one is interested is discussing the value of another perspective. I do hope that istock reconsiders the floor for independents to 20%. Believe it or not, exclusives do care what happens with independents. But you're eroding that sense of support, at least speaking for myself.    

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: September 14, 2010, 11:38 »
well, I guess there's not any real point in pushing the issue. but I would never pull any buyers into this kind of fight in this way. I think it is so unprofessional and assumptive to cause buyers the trouble of taking sides. A: it assumes they can't make up their own minds based on the agency they wish to buy from, and B: it sends to another agency or multiple agencies, who could turn around tomorrow and do something else or similar in terms of pricing.

I get being upset, I get trying to leverage your position in any way that you can...but to take this approach less than a week after the announcements, with barely half the information and to alienate yourselves from your peers and clients by taking such an inflammatory position. it just doesn't make sense. don't underestimate how many contributors are angry about this, even non-exclusives who realize that sending business away is never good, for anyone.

in any case, we're all in it together...whether it seems like it or not. the agencies and contributors combined make one big ecosystem, and that's the biggest concern.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Buyers Bailing on Istock
« on: September 14, 2010, 11:25 »
Lisa - I'm sorry you feel I was personally attacking you, which I would never do, to you, or to anyone. but I feel very strongly that it is very bad business to be pushing buyers away from any site and that it could backfire for all of us, short-term and in the long run. leaving iStock out of it entirely....it would be a bad decision, IMO, with any site. biting the hand that feeds you in many ways. having said that, I certainly have acknowledged that I am not in the position of independents. but I am privy to a number of conversations happening at agencies, and it also bothers me to see fellow contributors I know and care about going off the rails and making themselves look less than professional.

you can't really expect support when you are intentionally trying to take business away from all of us. and as I said earlier, which I think is still valid, that this strategy, if you can even call it that, will only work once. if I put myself in the shoes of an independent, you are setting yourselves up to be fairly beholden and vulnerable to the agencies where you put your work after you burn the iStock bridge.

but I do apologize if my tone was rude. the negativity and attempts to pull business from us all have put all of us in very bad moods. no one is enjoying the diatribes.

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