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Zymmetrical.com / Re: Zymmetrical appears to deliver
« on: February 13, 2008, 14:34 »
I had one sale in three months, to slow for me I closed my account no time  to wait for them  to get things together
Some people do better on site A than on site B. I made more on ZM in 4 months with 50 shots than on LO in 14 months with 400 shots.
Quod licet Iovi, non licet Bovi  ;)

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Zymmetrical.com / Zymmetrical appears to deliver
« on: February 13, 2008, 14:19 »
I know I should keep this secret, but I got 2 sales of 7$ and 11$+ at Zymmetrical with just a tiny portfolio. Somehow, these guys seem to deliver, quiet as they are amongst the big loud guns of SnapVillage, Albumo and even MostPhotos that will rock the world... next year.

I uploaded 5 shots last September to test the waters, and then I was off in the jungle for a few months. When I logged in to my email in a Netcafe somewhere in November, I had a mail that I earned 7$ on one of those shots. OK... a random hit I thought.

Nevertheless, last week I started uploading in bulk part of what I had in 300DPI (there seems to be a DPI problem on ZM) and 50 were approved already. Checking in a few days later, I noticed there was almost 20$ on my account. Somehow, one of these recent shots must have sold.

I know, I should keep this golden tip secret since the first mouse gets the cheese but if you like this tip, here is my referral link:

Zymmetrical - referral

and for those that are allergic to referrals or can't stand me  :o :

Zymmetrical - clean

By the way, I'm an avid fan of Paul Melcher's blog. It's one of the 10 that are left over in my feeds, next to Dan Heller of course.

Zymmetrical is still a bit confusing as to the trajectory uploaded photos go. After FTP (hey why can't SnapVillage or iStock make an FTP?) the photos seem to vanish in the hays, but after a while, and like the monster of Loch Ness, they surface again.

A neat thing about ZM is that the reviewer (an angel told me in a dream) is PM himself, and that he puts prices on your photos. Those range from 3 to 25$ and it gives a pretty good idea where ZM is heading to: no culture, architecture, nature - but PEOPLE.

In short... the best experience in new sites, as FP seems slowly going down the drains too, at least for me this month...

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Mark that would be useless since SS requirements went up a lot since 2 years ago. I got my third batch approved in a week, 9/10. One was rejected for the "focus" thing. The noise monster never catches me again, not because SS is more lenient on old folks like us, but because we simply adapted to the SS standards steadily.

It has to be said that SS reviewers have a very good eye for sellable stock. About 92% of my port was ever sold, and that percentage is much higher than at other sites.

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New Sites - General / Re: Geckostock - first sale
« on: February 13, 2008, 13:27 »
I just got notified of 5 sales there myself.  I'm really hoping the site will start moving because I like it there.
Wanted to check but the site is out of reach again.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Most likely to go under
« on: February 12, 2008, 16:24 »
1. LO
2. DT
3. FP
Grmppfffff  ;D  ::)  :P
Let's just talk about DT. One of the best managed sites with a clear professional business mind and friendly to its main asset, which is its contributors. FP and LO I don't know. They are sailing a very conservative course, with their own servers and apparently spending what their shallow pockets allow. To stay around, an agency doesn't have to make profit but just break even. If you can't win on the profit battlefront, you can stay afloat by being slim on the expenses line.

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I'm planning to create a (very)small website to let download live music photos for free (with a creative commons license).

Coppermine is what you are looking for, and there are free shopping cart plugins for designers if you want to do direct sales. It has commenting and rating plus private albums. I don't know if you can find a hoster with php and mysql for free though.
What's more, no free site will allow the hundreds of megabytes that a photo- and mediastore needs.

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anyone know of a different model release that is accepted everywhere?


Minor  and Adult in 1
Adult only
Both are also good as property release. When I travel, I don't like to drag around several blank release types.

These are direct doc download links. The document is European A4 and I guess the US legal is a bit smaller, so change the page margins a bit.
I wrote them myself 1,5 years ago. Accepted everywhere. The only problem I ever had (solved by link 1) was with SS that wants the minor and the parent on 1 single sheet.

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Spamming for what? Unless proven differently, I think it's a phishing site for passwords and identities. I'm worried that I subscribed with my real name and address. Can't even change that or I get error messages in Romanian. They also ask your paypal adrress and a photocopy of your passport (didn't give that). Phishers in the Eastern Europe eldorado must have noticed that there is a lot of money going around in the microstock.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Deepmeta
« on: February 09, 2008, 14:51 »
Works fine, uploaded 2 batches of 20 with it already.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: More evidence that IS favors Exclusives
« on: February 09, 2008, 08:08 »
I must admit I do envy of the benefits they get.but those benefits to my point of view isn't good enough yet,for me to go exclusive.
The bottom line about the exclusivity issue is whether the extra sales, perks and pushing the exclusives get outweigh the massive sales they would get at ShutterStock etc... being non-exclusive. Can exclusives at iStock comment? I mean the ones that were non-exclusive before and went exclusive afterwards.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: More evidence that IS favors Exclusives
« on: February 09, 2008, 07:56 »
It was an relatively difficult shot however. I had to wait for the light to be just right.
My bet is that it would be rejected for tight crop and sloppy isolation.

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Featurepics.com / Re: The sweet thing about Featurepics...
« on: February 09, 2008, 07:50 »
Well said. FP is a niche-player. Moreover, since they accept _all_, I use them as my online backup and by hotlinking to the thumbs as an engine for my portfolio on my own site. I'd better point occasional buyers to FP which gives 70% of 6$ than to SS. And it's as easy to upload as to MostPhotos. I just would never link to MostPhotos since any customer can see then that his 25 Euro shot can be bought for 3 Euro at other sites. I don't even mention my site at MostPhotos.

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Featurepics.com / Re: The sweet thing about Featurepics...
« on: February 09, 2008, 06:09 »
I totally agree. There is no sense in selling on FP at the same price than on other sites.


I put mine at 6$ and allow resizing, so the minimum is 1.40$. Except for bestsellers that have 10$.

In principle, the idea is great: photogs can determine price and license type. As such, it is all-in-1 and unlike any other agency. BUT I have the feeling we are thinking too much as photogs (supply) and not as customers (demand). FP is a photog-centered site.
Yes, we are working 50% of our time on the big 6 for advertising. Apparently sites only grow big with big advertising, such seems to be the law of capitalism.

A year or so ago, Rinder played around with the idee of a best of stock site that would only be on invitation and there would be no reviewers. Actually setting up a site like that technically is a piece of cake (unless for Snapvillage). But he discarded the idea later since he realized that he needed marketing, support, follow-up and it would just be another beginning stock site.

Actually a site like that would exactly be in the position of FP. Maximal yield for the photog, minimal overhead. So why make another FP? Let's face it, I love FP but for me it still sells only 8% of SS. Apparently, we think too much as photogs and not enough as designers.

You can even see it on all the great personal sites that are posted here. Photogs show off,  post tutorials and blogs and links for other photogs. That's great, but we aren't each others customers. So it won't translate in sales.

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I have been a designer for a while 2 years ago in a couple of projects and at one point I subscribed to CanStockPhoto to get my shots fast. I really didn't care about the photog, I was just looking in a rush at usable shots, et voila.
If you need hugs and aaahs and wows, go to Flickr. You'll get plenty for free. [that's imho the basic flaw behind the LO and MP commenting game - hugs are free].

For a designer, photos are a commodity and he isn't in the least interested in the wonderful personality of the photog. Just no time for that. Sorry gals & guys, we are just like the anonymous slave-artists that built the cathedrals in the Middle Ages: great carved stones and statues with no name on it.

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I'm revamping my site now slowly towards a designer-centered site with a fast and direct path to sales. Iofoto is my guide: a great designer-centered site.
Your own marketing can only be a funnel to existing ms agency sites. Existing sites are successfully run businesses with clever business minds like Serban and Jon, and those don't come cheap. They dominate the ms market and any newcomer will have to put up a giant sum in advertising to get settled in that market. The first guy that sold sand to the Sahara got rich. The original founder of iStock got rich. No way you can sell sand now in the Sahara.

There are just no shortcuts to significant sales than massive advertising and brand building, and the Matthew effect plays around: those who have will be given more, and those that have little will haven taken away the little they have. The first mice got the cheese. Coca-Cola is just another brown sweet drink. Why do they sell? Because 50% of their budget goes to advertising. You can buy cola-clones at local brandless markets at 1/3 of the price.

Where do we go from here? It's all about the customers. Think designer. For instance, at FP I have all my shots, also my favs rejected as "non commercial" by some of the big 6. And guess what? What I sell at FP is not those favs, but exactly the same top sellers as at the big 6.

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Summary:

- The first mice got the cheese already. Any new site is bound to fail since they will need super-advertising to overcome the established position of the big 6. There is no cheese left.

- Personal advertising only works if you think designer.

- FP will stay an exotic mini-market player unless they adverise.

- Just my 2 cents, but I want Eurocents!
(sorry for the long post)

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Site Related / Re: What happened?
« on: February 08, 2008, 14:05 »
I learned about this site from a posting by Flemish on the GS forums.
Ah, I finally did something right ;-)

I did another thing right I guess, when I uploaded about 600 shots to MostPhotos last weekend by FTP. No pain at all since they are all IPTC-ed. I got a private chat from the manager and he asked me where I knew about MP and I said the MSG. Always cherish your sponsor!

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: image stolen Flickr and sold on Istock !
« on: February 08, 2008, 13:40 »
In the article was mentioned that she was blocked from Flickr before, because she complained for a similar case on the forums there. My paying Flickr has been blocked a week ago because "somebody complained". No warning, no clue about which image. Maybe it's the photos of a lesbian wedding that shocked some creationist moron from the bible-belt, I have no clue. I will reupload when I have time on 5 new free accounts. Flickr doesn't get a cent from me any more.

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Bigstock.com / Re: Bigstock on the move
« on: February 08, 2008, 13:20 »
I have one doubt about bigstock, I read on thier site u can't remove images for 90 days. What if an exclusive buyout happens on another site for an image u have on bigstock too?
Just send them an email stating the issue. They are very friendly and will certainly do so.
For me, BigStock took over the third place too, over iStock. The last time they really sell well, after a bad December. Of course, my port at BigStock is much bigger than at iStock where I lag a year behind in upload. Not my fault with their stupid 20/week limit when I'm often not online for 2-3 months.

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Featurepics.com / Re: The sweet thing about Featurepics...
« on: February 08, 2008, 12:18 »
in 2007 I had several spurts where for several months at a time there wasn't a single sale.  That sucks on a portfolio of 1500.
It's just a mystery why some people sell good at site A and bad at site B, and other people vice-versa. I started at LO and at FP at the same time with almost the same port, and I had to quit LO with 15$ and at FP I'm on my way to 3-th payout. With a smaller port and inferior to yours.

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Crestock.com / Re: Any downloads?
« on: February 07, 2008, 15:58 »
To revive this old thread, I signed up with CS 4 weeks ago, and they accepted 7/10 10MP shots. Two of them have been sold since then for a disgraceful 0.25 cents each.

It's a good idea to have high standards, and offer premium content. But you have to match that with premium prices too, not with a lousy 0.25 cents for a 10MP shot.

If CS wants the best from its contributors, the contributors want the best from CS too. And that is certainly not 0.25 cents. It's even an insult to buyers that have to pay 2$ at other sites for the same content.

I upload more when I have time, not at 10MP but downsized to the minimum they accept. And if the large majority will be subscription sales at a devalued quarter dollar, no thanks.

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Update: I just signed up at OPP. They ask all your personal info like name, address, phone. But to be able to upload, you first need to upload a scanned copy of your passport ID.

No way! Those guys coming out of the blue by a poster with his very first post here, with no business track record whatsoever will have all my personal info, a copy of my ID, plus my paypal account email. Great for identity theft.

The site is buggy and the error messages that appear are in Romanian. Me smells another phishing site from the Easteuropean eldorado, and I bet the Illinois address is fake.

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The look and feel is neat and slick, simple and clear. But there is NO FTP and no IPTC reading, just a webform to upload + copy/paste.

A new site needs to take the market by shock and awe, that means massive and painless uploads from contributors with a large port. They will never do the painstaking webform-upload with copy/paste.

About subscription and 1$ sites, they have a chance if they play on volume. SS earned 3x as much for me from January 1 till today as DT. It's difficult to sell sand in the Sahara. A new peanuts site is no match for SS.

And by the way, OPP is owned or connected with RZYMU... click on any image now and you see his name. That's very fine with me since he is very generous with his tutorials on this forum. It would be a strong argument to support the site. Is RZYMU in the audience here? ;-)

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33 Eurocents per photo and 100$ payout level? No thanks.
Site looks cool and slick though. There are already 9 photos in the nature category: all from RZYMU. 500,000 more to go ;-)

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The programming of the site is slick but too heavy. Try to login on a phone dialup in the jungle and you have to restart your PC because that useless large front page picture has to load. The site's programming is too heavy all over. Of course, that doesn't matter if you are on broadband in an industrialized country.

I uploaded about 500 last week, and got comments and ratings on a few since you should apply the Flickr-strategy: upload a few constantly to keep yourself in the attention. The rating and "community" thing is a big waste of time. My artsy shots are on top now, but not my sellers at the big 6. I guess it's a site for forum-whores that spend more time in browsing and commenting than in actual shooting and postprocessing.

Wait and see...

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Adobe Stock / Re: Strange e-mail from Fotolia
« on: February 06, 2008, 13:20 »
You're right, I'll report it.  I followed your advice and found that the "here" link goes to "as1.emv2.com".

Phishing. Also beware of seemingly valid links, but when you hover over them, they link to a Javascript function, which you can see at the bottom on the status line of Firefox.


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Site Related / Re: What happened?
« on: February 06, 2008, 13:06 »
Leaf, thank you for your efforts. This site has been really a great help to me in terms of more $$$. I wouldn't mind to make a small donation if the ads are not enough. I bet the monthly hosting fee is 40-50$ or so. 100 people Paypaling 5$ should be enough.

I'm very happy with hostgator.com, and they never pulled the plug - even when they were without payment 2 months because of a credit card problem.

I really missed browsing MSG yesterday while waiting for my uploads ;-)

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Dazed and Confused
« on: February 06, 2008, 12:52 »
Just my 2 (Euro!)cents

- Subjects: whatever you feel happy with. On most sites there is a section with most popular images, so you can browse there to see what sells. But beware, those subjects are very popular so competition will be stiff. For instance I almost never do food shots since it bores me, it costs money, and much better food shooters around. Better find a niche (a hole) that is underrepresented and you like to shoot.

- Keywords: tag your images well. Given a good shot, the quality of keywords determines sales.

- Income: depending on your niche, a port of 2000-3000 should do. My niche of nature shots is not so popular so I would need 4000.

- Agents: don't waste time on beginning or low sale sites, like CanStockPhoto and LuckyOliver. Avoid overtly subscription sites like Crestock, except for ShutterStock which is a big money maker for most. I'm concentrating now on SS,DT,BigStock,iS,FP,Fotolia,StockXpert,123RF. The rest is peanuts and not worth the time. Also consider mid/macrostock like Alamy,Zymmetrical,MostPhotos as an investment.

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