Quote from: MatHayward on December 05, 2022, 14:25
Hi everyone,

Today, we are announcing our policy regarding generative AI content, and I'd like to share that we have begun accepting illustrations made using generative AI into our collection.

Thanks Mat, that's the right way to manage the new AI technology as a fantastic tool to produce great images!
Other agencies come out with non sense rules like "you can't produce with AI, but we can" while Adobe make the right choice for contributors.

AI will of course deeply change the photography history, but I think it's unavoidable process, impossible to stop.

Next years will be challenging, and that's the life. Good luck everyone

Quote from: stoker2014 on December 04, 2022, 17:05

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on December 04, 2022, 15:27

Quote from: stoker2014 on December 04, 2022, 14:29

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on December 04, 2022, 14:22
AI isn't getting inspired. It doesn't think.

The question is moot.

Like a cow?

What's with the cow. 

How to build a surreal dialogue 

Quote from: Findura on December 01, 2022, 09:03
The sales of my exclusive P5 account are getting worse and worse. I am thinking of switching from exclusive to standard account.

How long do I have to wait before I can upload my media with other agencies?

And if I delete my portfolio at P5, how long do I have to wait until I can upload my media at other agencies?

If I remember well it takes about six months, but why don't you simply ask them?
Usually Pond5 answer quickly

Hi all,
It's more than a year that I'm working on animation for stock, going from something very simple like animated text banner ("happy new year" and things like this...) to more demanding jobs. nothing that could be compared to professional experts, but animations with some more complicated effects like particles or fractal noise.

I'm happy with After effects, as it seems to me an incredible machine to create quite anything you have in mind, but AE it's also expensive, and I'm looking for some good cheaper alternative.
I'm start testing Davinci resolve that has the Fusion section that seems really good, but I can't understand if I can recreate in Davinci fusion all the possibilities that I have in AE. For example, a simple text animation with light effect seems much more challenging to do than in AE. But probably it depends on my newbie status with Davinci.

Is there some here that can give me opinion about the two software? I'm not talking in general difference, that are obvious and I can see by myself; I'm asking specific opinion for creation of animated clip for stock: the speed of workflow, the plugin available for both, and the flexibility of both software.

Thanks for your opinions!

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 22, 2022, 09:29
Also, if you remember this program from the photo, then the photo was taken more and there were at least 3 rounds, if not more.

As always, you still don't bother to read anything, you don't know how this works, and of course, for this reason, your opinions have value near to zero for anyone.

It never happen (and never told by Adobe) that there should be multiple rounds.
Adobe offers to buy some selected of your photos/clips for ONE TIME FOR ONE YEAR.

This was for the photo, and this is for clips.
After one year some or all photos and clips could be choosen again for another year.

ONE TIME OFFER. NO MULTIPLE MONTHLY BUYOUT.

If you still don't understand this I don't know what are you doing here, probably just to put confusion and misleading posts

Nice morning today

Quote from: BigBubba on November 17, 2022, 15:09
Got a 3000$ sale yesterday

Wow that's a great amount, congrats!
Really hard to imagine who would like to pay SS about 10.000 to have non exclusive clip, it's so high amount that it could be used for original production instead! Was your clip about an extremely rare subject?

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on November 15, 2022, 14:37
Take the example of the images of business people featuring the near perfectly copied DT watermark the Ai was outputting. Imagine that DT licensed your icon to use as a watermark only on their site. The AI would be perfectly reproducing your copyrighted material; it would be (by you definition) "new info", but it is also identical to your copyright work.

I am not sure which part of what I said isn't how it works. I tried to make it clear that the AI is outputting what you call "new info".

For what I can understand the point is that you're always referring to an existing image; AI doesn't need a "reference" image.

Let's try an example:
If I ask AI to give me an image described as:
"Section of planet earth, american continent, view from moon with defocused background of starry sky in dark space"

What AI need to know to create the image is
1-what is planet earth
2-what is american continent
3-what is starry sky space
4-what is defocused

Were AI get the first three points it's easy, these are clear and common knowledge with millions of images to let it know.

But what is "defocused"?
How can AI understand the concept of "defocused" and apply this to the requested image?
AI has been trained with thousand of defocused images with hundreds of different depth of field and effects. And it decide now to apply to the "starry space in background"

Does it means that this come from existing images? Of course yes, but not in the sense that some similar images was referred to the new one.

Maybe AI has learned depth of field from
"Cup of coffee on the table"
"macro close up of flower"
and so on...
But it doesn't need to have a defocused starry dark space as a reference.

So, had you collaborate to this science fictional image with your coffee cup and flower close up?
Probably Yes
Is there any minimal link between planet earth from the moon and coffe cup on a table? Of course no, not in the sense you're talking about.

If I understand well 
because it's not so easy and it's not so clear 

Quote from: Justanotherphotographer on November 15, 2022, 11:03
One of the ways AI is trained is, for example, by blurring a photo in a way that involves some randomisation then doing its best to recreate the original image (which is never exactly the same as some randomisation has occurred in the blur). It does this for lots of images with the same keywords and looks for the points of similarity that make up the defining characteristics of the objects.

So it is trying it's best to copy the subset of images. Even if it had one image to go on, the result wouldn't be identical as it is making its best guess.

I'm not an expert but I read something about how AI machine learn, and it's slighlty different from what you describe (if I understand well your words, sorry, I'm not native english...)

The concept is that AI, following your example, learn what is and how to produce a nice depth of field.
When it knows it, it can reproduce this in any image: so it's not exactly the production of an new image based on original one.
The concept is that you can ask a nice depth of field for any subject, not only the subjects that was in training images. So it's not a question of pixels randomization that can give you a different image from an original one. The point is that now AI can blur the image to produce nice DOF for quite any subject you ask.
It's not trying to do a "copy" with some difference. It's mostly like trying to reproduce an event.

This is what I understood

Quote from: cascoly on November 03, 2022, 15:01
what would a fair deal look like? what compensation would be appropriate for an artist who contributed 1 (or 100+) images to a training set of millions?

That's an interesting question.
Agency will probably pay small fee for quantity, but to be fair the correct way to pay should be a new license terms that give the right to use the image for "teaching".

Let's say... you're giving away not only your image but your knowledge to create that image, and this will be forever; like a teacher in the school.

We know that AI could create infinite number of new images based on this knowledge.
It doesn't matter if an image is sold in a single moment, because every single image created, even if refused by the buyer, will populate and will remain available forever in agency database.

As for this I think that a fair compensation should be near the price of an extended license for every single image used. This will cover every future sale.
Of course, this will never happen 

Quote from: Lowls on November 15, 2022, 09:37
Find your photo particles in the customers hand composite.
Now tell me you trust SS to let you know your photo was used and pay you.

It doesn't work this way.
Images are used to train AI to recreate an image of a hand.
There is no single pixel of your photo in the new AI generated one.
You have to be payed for training AI, not because you're giving pixels of your image

I have a 30% down this year in SS but to be honest I can't say that the things are going so bad, some medium sales happens day by day

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 09, 2022, 20:51

Quote from: derby on November 09, 2022, 20:43
You started with first posts in the forum crying against Adobe cause they didn't appreciate so much your great clips and nominate only few for the free section.

And this is what it's for. What does it have to do with a separate program for a stable monthly income. I must have had more videos nominated than you, so you're jealous.
From you in the subject only flood.

Jealous of you, that understand nothing   
Adobe doesn't give a monthly stable amount, it's one time offer but you still don't understand nothing 


Thanks for enjoy, bye

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 09, 2022, 16:52
I have no complaints about other agencies

Really.
You started with first posts in the forum crying against Adobe cause they didn't appreciate so much your great clips and nominate only few for the free section.

trolling trolling trolling....

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 09, 2022, 16:52
Let me remind you in what topic you write here: "SS continues to deteriorate." If you are satisfied with the income from the SS, then what are you doing in this thread? Create your own theme, like what a cool SS, how well he sells.

Oh come on please, stop your personal show  You're a master in confusion, I've never said I'm happy with SS, this year I'm down 30% in earnings. But it's not a disaster, and I follow the thread to listen real opinion, not your conspiracy nonsense claim, or absurde suggestions like "write email, and the day after you will see big sales" 

About the trolls: we all know who is a troll here.
And, you know, only the forum master can kick off a user from a discussion, not you for sure

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 09, 2022, 11:35
or the search algorithms there work in such a way that the SS manually decides which authors to promote and which ones to push.

It's completely nonsense.
You really think that SS should PAY a group of well skilled people that works looking and MANUALLY adjust the search position 
I would love to work in that department.

Ah... I can see you next message: "I didn't mean that there is people that do this job, I meant that there is a system that promote some authors more than others!!"

Of course there is. It's completely fair to have this; they HAVE to push the better content, the most quality, and the top selling.

IT'S ABSOLUTELY NORMAL: at starting time each one of us has the same possibilities to climb; then, the rest is given by results.

So, you answer by your own: your content is NOT enough good, in quality or sales number, to be rewarded by the search system.

SS, like any other agency, has a business: they have to sell images and clips. Nothing else

Quote from: Her Ugliness on November 09, 2022, 11:54
And what reason would SS have to do this?
SS couldn't care less whether a video is bought from contributor A or contributor B.

Exactly. They couldn't care less about you or me, they just want to sell the best

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 06, 2022, 17:00
Stock footage. I don't know about the engine, but there is something to shoot for stocks.

Stock footage???
You're the best... in forum new entry you're at the top level of confusion and misunderstanding.

You don't know about the engine (!) but you think there is something to shoot 

Something to shoot in AI produced image... that's great 

It's the same of what was discussed in 2018

https://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/getty-custom-content-brief-is-it-worth-it/

Quote from: stoker2014 on November 02, 2022, 12:58
The program is new, deserves a separate topic. So it doesn't matter what I know.

Really new

https://www.microstockgroup.com/istockphoto-com/is-istock-exclusive-contributor-worth-it/
Some tips and tricks
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lgrFrSEm6AQ

Quote from: Contemporary Dave on November 02, 2022, 13:46

Quote from: Sean Locke Photography on November 02, 2022, 13:20
Not worry about it.  End usage is the buyers problem.

I appreciate that it's the buyer's problem, but surely if it's being used for commercial purposes, then I should be paid appropriately for that?

Price for commercial use is the same as editorial one

Quote from: alan b traehern on October 31, 2022, 16:34
If that's true? Anonymous can make up anything he wants. He's in Indonesia and 0.0053 Indian Rupee to a pound. 6 figures doesn't include the 2 to the right of the decimal point.

There is something called reliability in an anonymous internet forum.
Justanotherphotographer is here from years, he wrote a lot of posts and did many good comments; at the end, I don't see any reason at all not to trust him.
By the way, everyone can take his own conclusions and decide who is trustworthy and who's not

Quote from: stoker2014 on October 28, 2022, 14:49Not everyone here is in the professional league

And this is a very good reason for listening to him, and to profs in general, instead listening to low earners suggestions and tips.
(... Assuming everyone would like to grow up and not to kill his own market... sometimes it seems the opposite....)

I predicted too this move. I think it's necessary for agencies, unavoidable, and others will follow soon.

There will be hard legal wars, but this is the future and nothing will change it.

Now it will be very interesting to see if buyers have will and ability to use the AI feature.
I suspect that, after a first enthusiastic view, most of buyers will find how difficult is to translate in word what they have in mind (assuming that they have in mind a really specific subject)

We'll see. By the way, this step is inevitable

Quote from: stoker2014 on October 23, 2022, 08:49
Either way, participating in the free program will bring more existing buyers to my portfolio. And this is the main point!
And even if not, $8 for a lot of videos is a very profitable option. I agree to give Adobe half of my portfolio for $1 even.

Why don't you write Adobe your concept simply giving away your portfolio for 1$ each clip? You're so sure that this will bring you many people to look at your full port to buy more clips.
These idea seems... Let me think... It's quite near the famous "great news" we had in the past from several agencies:
"we will pay less, but you will have much more sales"
"we will pay less but you will gain a new market slice"
"we will pay less but your portfolio will gain great visibility"

Of course none of these happened to anyone.
It's like a broken record but despite this after years of experiences someone seems still to believe this.

Once again, Adobe seems to me fair and good with contributors, so I'm not talking to them. I'm talking to you. It seems you're just arrived from Mars.

Listen to me, send your port to Adobe for 1$, no one will know, but trying to convince other experienced contributors it's hard (and useless) way to go

Quote from: komikmiha on October 22, 2022, 19:35
For $50 per clip I'm in. Can you pay me that much?

This would be a reasonable amount for me too