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How'd you find that?


Boy "looking down" standing by best match.

Ah - you embed the comp!!!

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The photo of the boy is by Natasa778 and is here:
http://www.istockphoto.com/stock-photo-9258934-child-standing-by-the-sea-looking-down.php

(How do you embed an image here?)

It's a shame that although they credit the artist, they haven't credited the photogs - isn't that an editorial article? (though as neither photog is iStock exclusive, they may have bought the images from elsewhere).

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It really isn't a good deal for buyers, who need to remember to download images over weekends and holidays if they are to get their money's worth.
Well that's how the stock agencies make money. If all the buyers would be using their full quota, SS would probably be bankrupt. Not that I'm defending subs, but we may get some downloads from buyers that download the images just so they use their quota or a bigger part of it even if they never use it. I know I would(Yeah, yeah, I'm a cheapskate).

I think one of the best resolves would be to make more license types, to separate more groups of buyers. This works for PPD too. That way the occasional blogger, can buy his image for a buck, while the big guys who spend 1000$ on coffee in their meetings should pay much more. Atleast that's how I see it. Problem is that will probably cause more misuse of license.

While that appeals to my general philosophy, it wouldn't work, for the reason that companies would be making their employees download from home. The bigger the company, the more employees they could have doing it and the less easy it would be to discover.

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sub sites will always be here and growing,that's where all the buyer  do most of their shopping. The economy is down and will be for awhile.

You wouldn't know it from my sales.  40% of my sales still come from IS, which doesn't have an "all you can eat" type subscription model at all.

Thanks. I just looked at the IS credits subs system and it it much less generous to the buyer than the 'all you can eat system' of FT. Effectively, you buy credits in bulk and 3 months in advance at a discount of 70% but you have to use your number of credits each day or they turn into pumpkins at midnight. ;) If a buyer with subscription buys a 10 credit image of yours, how much do you get as contributor?

From my own experience and hearsay from my CN and forums, the subscription scheme hasn't been a great success. The last time I saw iStock print ads (around 6 months ago) they weren't even mentioning the possibility of subs. Anyone know if that's changed? It really isn't a good deal for buyers, who need to remember to download images over weekends and holidays if they are to get their money's worth.

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I could see the "Mom" looking for that perfect photo on her Christmas card using SpiderPic...
But would then be disappointed unless SpiderPic quotes the maximum price on any site - obviously most (all?) sites have deep discounts for bulk buyers and 'Mum' might just want one image, which sometimes she couldn't get, i.e. on sites where you have to buy some sort of subscription.

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It's actually sort of comforting.  My sales are down pretty much across the board at the moment, and I guess misery loves company...

Have you seen http://blog.lookstat.com/category/analytics/? (Third article down - Microstock Photography Stats Downloads and Earnings per User)

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I hated anything to do with Microstock until the old ways (film days) vanished.  Now, I resist the Corporate Culture with a vengance but can't seem to separate personal gain from good for the group.   :o

Does that make any sense?


Ah, the old Egoism vs Utilitarianism dilemma.   ::)

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There was a court decision sometime back and I don't know details but read somewhere that buildings (in the USA) that were built prior to 1990 and had no copyright registered with the copyright office were NOT protected by copyright law and, therefore, need no release.

There is a lot of confusing copyright information on the internet.  Much of what or how it is interpreted is site-specific. 

And, remember, that nothing offered in a public forum is more correct than anything else offered in a public forum.  Most of us are just expressing opinions with minimal research backup.   ::)
I understand...i would assume that the PR would have to go with the well known landmarks..of which I doubt anyone could get unless you were related to the Queen of England...and of course that would be site specific...I just have never tryed uploading anything like these...meaning the actual pictures.
If in England, you're generally OK if you're shooting from a public place. Scotland is the same. :-) It's generally thought that even those images which are generally culled from agencies (e.g. NT) are also OK if taken from a public place, but the NT rattled their cage and several agencies culled some images, though some still remain in these same collections. Well-known landmarks would generally be particularly OK! In fact, there are several of Buck House on iStock, who are notoriously conservative.

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That's the thing, you wouldn't need a release for Alamy if you submit as an L image with no release indicated. It can still be used for editorial which although not a huge market, can still place value on such images.

Not sure that is right, Zeus.  Isn't there a restriction on editing editorial?  I think you can only crop ... maybe a little contrast or sharpening???

You have to say at upload whether it's been digitally altered or not.
FWIW, I also don't think this building would require a PR.

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Today someone bought one of my landscape images on Istock at XS size netting me 22c commission. It was the first sale of that image in the 4 months it had been on-line. The subject was a coastal geological feature, images of which tend to be relatively high in supply and low in demand.

Less than an hour later the same image was bought on Fotolia at maximum XXL size which generated about $4 for me.

If the buyer had bought the XXL image on IS it would have cost them 20 credits or about $30. Over on FT the sale cost the buyer about $12, a worthwhile saving for the few seconds it would have taken them to find it if they first spotted it on IS.

Normally I would put such things down to coincidence but in this case, because of the low-selling nature of the image, the timing of the two sales and the sizes bought from each agency it does make me think otherwise. It appears that the buyer may be doing the initial searches on IS, to get the best selection, then buying XS images for comping purposes and, when they've made their choices, purchasing the full-size images from the most cost-effective source.

Any thoughts?


Not quite the same, but yesterday I had two 'medium' sales (for different amounts) on iStock, for a photo which has been 'up' for two years with only 14 previous sales, and isn't seasonal or topical. Don't rule out sheer coincidence.

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Don't know if this is relevant but I checked out my position in istockcharts recently, having just crossed another 100 threshold. I'm about 9000 (out of about 30000 listed). On the page I'm on 36/50 started before me (Feb '07), had fewer than 100 files online, and had no uploads in the past 30 days. I'd say there are a very large number of inactive contributors on istock, with small portfolios, who are slowly accumulating downloads.
Well, despite my ever-decreasing downloads, my fuzzy position on istockcharts is just about the same as it's been since the site started. Although it's been explained to me, I still don't really understand why that doesn't mean that the average download rate per contributer isn't decreasing at a broadly similar rate (some overtaking me, me overtaking others - interestingly, I only recognise four names  on the same page I'm on). I'd expect to be about a thousand positions lower than I was at this time last year.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Too easy to get accepted?
« on: January 26, 2010, 14:44 »
What if you give Illustrator a try? A square, a circle, you've got yourself a flag and you're in :)  

Oh well, if my sales at iStock continue their downward spiral and I have to give up the crown :-\, it's nice to know there's somewhere I could grow my Vector skills - from zero.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: Record long inspection wait times
« on: January 25, 2010, 15:51 »
You'd be better off cancelling it and re-uploading.

The iStock best match has a 'DLs/month' component, and that statistic uses the upload date, not the approved date. If your image gets approved it will have a horrible initial best match placement.


While this is certainly generally true, new files aren't getting good placement in the current best match (even with its enormous daily yoyoing) - or it's just for literally a few hours then sinks off the first 100 pdq.

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OMG!!! LOL!!! I was (obviously) VERY confused.
Thank you all so much for commenting on my post. I really appreciate it. I dont know if you read my post in the newbie section, but I am an English teacher-- in a very rural area in Japan. I would seriously love to take a class or meet other photographers, but my Japanese is not good enough to do something like that! Plus dont even know if there is anything like that around here in the boonies.
I sympathise - I always see this sort of advice; it must be an American thing to have classes people can just drop into. Hereabouts there are full time photography classes but not evening or weekend courses. Several years ago I was astonished to see a 'studio techniques/lighting evening class and I phoned up to be told "it's not really a class, it's just cheap studio use for our last year's graduates".
Good luck.

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I disagree with the statements above regarding depth of field.

The trend today for food shots is to use a shallow depth-of-field. Check out kcline's port on istock. She is one of the top food photographers on istock, if not the top photographer. Her dof is very shallow. I personally typically shoot at f/5.6 or f/8. There are times when I shoot f/16, but for the most part I shoot around f/8.

That being said, a full-on, top shot like you have done in your example here would probably work better at around f/16. If you are shooting a low angle, front on view of the food, the trend is to shoot shallow. IMHO of course.
Trends are fine, but you need to be able to control where you want the sharpness/unsharpness.
I don't think I'd realised at first how little the OP knows. When I said before that it was sometimes easier for a newbie to pick up iStock's standards without years of other experience as 'baggage', I wasn't thinking about someone who really knows next-to-nothing.

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We've decided not to pursue stock photography right now, and we're fine with that. We never wanted to change our style or choice of subject for this.

I can fully understand that - and I'd say, microstock will require more than a minor change of thought. I think all those images are great and I'd love to hang them on my wall.

But for microstock you will need your images to be more in a "raw" stadium, so different customers have lots of options to change the image to their personal needs. And most of them won't end up on a wall in a living room but on marketing material or illustrating articles.

Still, those images are nice and could certainly make some good money on stock as well. But you'd have to separate your workflows for your art/print business and the microstock business if you want to succeed. Maybe you should consider going a bit up, more like an RM agency with an artsy approach.
Agree totally with what Michael says. My iStock acceptance rate shot up after I realised that I should submit them WITHOUT sharpening for printing - the buyer might want to do a lot with the image before they're ready to print.
That said, if you are selling well where you live, it may not be worth pursuing stock. Round about here, photography can't sell. For example, we've got a nice gift shop in this (small) town where they tried out some nice framed pictorial images, by heavily promoting them in their windows. I was impressed with their quality and astonished that they could sell so cheaply (I wouldn't even know where to buy the frames that cheaply) but none of them sold. Same in the nearby "Craft Village" - even a big name's stunning photos of local scenes, at a price it seems most Americans here or on iStock wouldn't get out of bed for, sold only three in over a year.
So while not discouraging you from stock, if you're not happy about changing your philosophy or workflow, good luck with the direct sales. Also agree with Michael, that if you want to make the effort to improve your technical issues, you might do better on one of the macros for this sort of image - though you'll see that they generally have many already.

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iStockPhoto.com / Re: "artifacting". Always "artifacting".
« on: January 24, 2010, 09:42 »
Unless you are exclusive with iStock, you will have a much higher percentage of rejections, especially if your images compete with exclusive contributors.  It's the way they operate.
I have encountered no evidence of this. Can you provide any clear proof that this is so? (Obviously, when I had loads of rejections at the beginning I had lots of conspiracy theories, but when I cleaned up my act, I found that my acceptances magically increased. Now my only regular rejection issue is 'flat light'. I can testify that they're no more lenient when you become exclusive.
And do you really think that every time you upload an image, the inspector does a search to see if you're competing with exclusives. I've had rejections, before and after exclusivity, even when it was the only photo of that topic on the site (except that as they were rejected, they're not actually 'on the site').

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Hello again!

I tried to improve from my last critique and picked up a white plate etc etc. I am trying to like suggested to get a nice "white airy" look. I set the aperture to 1/100 to achieve this... but I think it's making the end part of the vegetables look blurry! :( The middle looks clear... but the sides seem to lose focus.

Any ideas of what to do? I really just want to get some of my food photos to be clear and have that "white airy" look.  ;D Any help or other critiques would be greatly appreciated.

Oh and I tried uploading the original picture. But it won't let me, so am uploading a smaller version of it. Sorry about that, I know that was a comment last time.

You'll need to increase your depth of field. What f-stop were you using? Try f16 and f22.

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Sorry, I think I'm hitting quote instead of 'modify'.

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Site Related / Re: MicrostockGroup Rank - What's yours
« on: January 23, 2010, 20:43 »
Hey, I just realised I've got a Dreamstime rank, and it's not even the lowest for downloads!
I've never had an image uploaded, far less downloaded on DT, and the lst time I looked I was n/a for DT, which I checked is still the status showing for another group member I know has always been an iStock exclusive.
Just pointing this out as I don't want an iStock exclusive witch-hunt.

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Repeat
Sorry, don't know how that happened (repeated earlier post)

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I agree that the issue probably is that you sent three 'landscapes', I'm surprised they didn't accept at least the first one and ask you to submit two 'different subjects'. When I applied, I submitted three wildlife photos and was asked to submit something else. I submitted a shot taken in Venice and was accepted, but that image was rejected for the collection for my usual - 'flat light'.
I disagree with Perseus' advice for getting unusual subjects or behaviour for iStock in particular - I can't speak for the other micros. Firstly, iStock's buyers seem mostly to be interested in the well-known species shot in 'coffee-table book' style, not in the more typically 'natural history' photos.
Second, the reason many species are 'under-represented' is that they are 'shade-loving' species, whether plants or animals - automatic 'flat light' rejection. I've seen advice in the critique forum on iStock which went totally against the Nature Photographer's Code of Conduct, rule 1: the welfare of the animal comes first.
Third, from personal experience, if a species is unusual, it doesn't even matter if you're the only person with that species on iStock, you'll be lucky if you get a sale. I've seen some species with maybe twenty photos from various photogs, with 1-3 sales between them after 2-3 years. At first I had no alternative, but now that I have a 'pro' spec camera, these pics are now going RM - then if I only get one sale in five years, at least it might be 'worth it'. (Much as I hate to say that with my other hat of non-profit newsletter for a local natural history club on.)
'General' landscapes seldom sell well; well known locations sometimes do. But just recently, I've noticed some really super photos of Niagara Falls totally frozen, with few or even no sales after a year or two - that shocked and surprised me.

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Site Related / Re: Where did you hear about Microstockgroup.com
« on: January 20, 2010, 13:37 »
iStock forum.

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...maybe this is for some of those super whippersnapping cyberpunks who pride themselves of how much of a cybersleuth they are in  phishing .....  they could put their brains to something more useful like this ?
You'd leave your image security in their hands? They made it, they can break it in a heartbeat.

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General Stock Discussion / Re: Twitter Manual
« on: January 18, 2010, 17:27 »
I used to shoot everything on TriX
Happy Days  ;D

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