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« on: November 08, 2017, 21:11 »
I think that BigStock was one of the agencies that followed the model that each actual print sale would generate one regular license (versus buying an EL to offer a number of prints for sale). This idea first surfaced about a decade ago (I think with Fotolia initially). Lots of contributors argued. We lost.
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« on: November 08, 2017, 18:11 »
I sell next to nothing on Pond 5 (I just have a small subset of my photos there) but I opted out. I am curious to know more about this but I do not care for these "black box" deals where the agency tells the contributor next-to-nothing about what's being sold and for how much. In this case the big missing piece is the price - 50% of 3 cents isn't interesting, so telling me 50% royalties is completely unhelpful. Also, 50% for contributors in other cases - Pond5's Extended License - is 50% of the net proceeds where Pond5 takes out the legal guarantee fee first. They don't even say how much they'll take in the contributor agreement. Saying that they're marketing only to people who don't currently buy from them is daft - if the new customer comes back for a second round of purchases from this new program, will Pond5 turn them away as they no longer qualify? If an existing customer hears about the program and wants in, will they really refuse them?? This is akin to the stinking pile of trash arguments that we hear so often about the new lower subscription prices attracting new buyers versus just cutting the price and royalties for existing customers ( Shutterstock is the most recent peddler of this rubbish). It's something you tell contributors to get them to go along with your plan. Without knowing anything about the details, it's possible these deals could include upfront payments to buy into the arrangement (of which contributors get nothing) along with the very low per image/clip payments. Keeping the deal hidden from contributors is just bad policy, and even though Pond5 isn't the only agency to do this, I'm opting out until they tell us more about the arrangement. If big contributors go along, then it won't make any difference, but if they get too many contributors opting out, they may get a clue and explain themselves more fully.
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« on: November 08, 2017, 12:25 »
new Interface in Los Angeles 2PM yesterday.
Just checked in my neck of the woods (Seattle area) and I have the old interface. I did get a bizarro error message for one of three files - that it was 0 x 0 = 0 pixels (0.0 megapixels) and that I should upload the corresponding EPS file! I did upload the jpeg again and then found the earlier upload had been fine (so I had four files to submit)...so they're clearly still working out issues. I deleted all the files and will try again later when I can see the new interface for myself
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« on: November 08, 2017, 12:14 »
https://www.shutterstock.com/special/partnersThis says that BigStock's stuff is used at art.com (but some of the partnerships on this page are really out of date - the amazon stuff about wall art just shows a couple of "out of stock" items)
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« on: November 07, 2017, 20:35 »
PMS?
I have a nasty feeling the OP means Pre-Menstrual Syndrome - shorthand among some unenlightened folks for bad tempered and irrational. There are lots of other better ways to get that thought across. Or it could be something else
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« on: November 07, 2017, 13:49 »
Complaining about badly designed software, software with bugs or the fact that instead of paying for a set of decent QA people, SS hopes contributors will do their QA for free is perfectly reasonable.
Doesn't matter what the year is.
SS is a public company that takes the lion's share of what buyers pay them to run an agency. For that lion's share they need to do their job, competently. Contributors can certainly report the odd bug, but it sounds from the SS forum posts as if this unasked for feature update isn't ready for alpha testing.
This isn't some cooperative project where we all pitch in - and if it ever was, it has long, long since ceased to be. Suggesting we should all just chill strikes me as dismissive and rude.
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« on: November 06, 2017, 21:04 »
I just submitted a couple of files and everything looks the same to me - did I misunderstand what page you were referring to or is this rolling out in phases. I'm on the US West Coast
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« on: November 05, 2017, 01:27 »
... but I don't understand why Adobe is pushing Fotolia to an end, with a super annoying reCaptcha and with almost no sales at all while other agencies are working fine, is there any difference between Adobe Stock and Fotolia
I understand that your account has problems, but once those are sorted out I think you'll see that Fotolia is still fully functional - I upload via Adobe Stock and check all my stats via Fotolia (because it has more to offer at the moment on the contributor side of things). You can't always tell, but as many of the royalty amounts are different via the different sites, I know I'm still getting sales via Fotolia as well as via Adobe Stock. You'll see Adobe/Fotolia is the number two site on the list on the right - and that's true for me and at similar ratios. I only see the captcha on my mobile device. Perhaps Mat Hayward can help you get your account migration problems sorted out - he has an account here and you could send him a message.
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« on: November 04, 2017, 12:28 »
Truly disgusting. The CEOs of these companies make millions, but want to pay you $10 for a custom photo.
Looks like SS might be pursuing them with offers of cheap custom photos. From Jo Ann's post above looks like it's a market they very much want to tap into (and to hell with the suppliers).
Hard to say if they want to be seen to be pursuing new "huge" markets (to keep Wall Street thinking positively about their stock and prospects) or if they're serious about building a business, but they've certainly been busy on Twitter promoting new webinars. Shutterstock Custom has its own account. They had a webinar at the beginning of October and another one is coming up Nov 9th. The thing that strikes me about all the pictures in the tweets from (or re-tweeted by) SS Custom is that they all look like stock shots. I'm sure they are custom, but if they look like they aren't is that helping? Stock shots with the logos and brand identities showing. This is the twitter feed for SS Custom's "Brand Partnerships Associate" in Toronto. Not sure how video of Elmo on fire is going to work for my brand... From his LinkedIn page "Our unique model ingests a brands identity and strategy, which enables us to create on-brand content on demand. Our global network of contributors and proprietary technology platform allow us to streamline the content creation process." Right.
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« on: November 03, 2017, 18:49 »
...What are the realistic earnings potential for having photographs non-exclusively in 10-20 sites?
Depends on the photographs and on the sites  If you look at the poll results listed here, they're roughly a gauge of what to expect from the microstock sites. The low earners are a waste of time - if you were already there, like I am at Dreamstime, it'd be OK to stay, but otherwise don't bother. People have advocated using a mix of sites - some macro, some specialist (if you have suitable content), some mobile, etc. Stocksy is currently accepting new artists - have you considered them? One or more niches may work well for you and then you focus more on supplying them. It's hard to know without trying sites out with your content. Some of the decisions are different for video or illustrations from photographs. Many photographers have branched out into video as a way to counteract the stagnant income (or decline) for stills. Occasionally there's something really innovative - Canva was the last site of that sort introducing micro RM licensing. There are always hopefuls stopping by here with a new agency pitch - mostly focusing on building the web site and not on finding and appealing to buyers. Most are come and gone pretty quickly, but there's hope that a newcomer might improve the list of choices at some point. Spread the risk and stay flexible
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« on: November 03, 2017, 14:13 »
Wow. Lets hope this doesn't take off.
It can only take off if contributors supply them with content. Anyone who is earning money through licensing their videos would do well to give this a pass (I can't imagine many will, but it'd be great if no one did so it sends a message to other agencies looking around for new ways to "disrupt"). It's fine to have free photo/video/illustration sites as long as the content is not (a) stolen and (b) from people who also sell licenses. What's not fine is setting up a voluntary donation system for professional content. Edited to add a link to an earlier thread about them acquiring Pixlr. I went to Pixlr today and it's still using Flash (which I don't have installed and don't use). A review of Pixlr back in the spring noted that Flash use would have to go ( not quite dead yet), yet months later it's still there and 123rf is touting yet another new project. I think they can't really be serious about building any of these businesses and are still looking to be acquired - this is just buzz to make them look better to potential buyers.
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« on: November 03, 2017, 11:43 »
The loathing of Getty started well before they stepped into the microstock world by buying iStock. They bought up lots of smaller agencies and then changed the terms of deals with photographers to boost Getty's bottom line. They systematically cut back control contributors had over how their work was licensed - choosing RM versus RF licensing, for example. For photographs and for music. As Getty got bigger and more powerful, smaller agencies put work with Getty and percentages for contributors got smaller and smaller. Various efforts to move the focus back to the creator of images were started but didn't go far. The royalty cutting went with all acquisitions, such as Pump Audio in 2009 where they promptly cut the royalty rate from 50% to 35% unless to changed to exclusive status. All sorts of tales of ethically challenged tactics.
There's a quote from an old article about Getty acquiring Photo Disc "Getty would probably prefer to license usages for several hundred dollars each rather than $49.95, as long as they can. But there are some very interesting advantages to the PhotoDisc model for the stockholders. With every PhotoDisc sale Getty pays a much smaller share of the licensing fee to the image creator, and thus keeps a greater profit for the stockholders." Two rounds of private equity owners, Hellman & Friedman and Carlyle, have left the company saddled with debt - see here, here and here. Their struggles to deal with that financial bind resulted in more squeezes on contributors and Jonathan Klein's departure when he couldn't turn things around. There are masses of articles about the various shenanigans Getty has pulled over the years, but I think you get the general drift from the above. Many times people have put up with the stream of bad news and pro-Getty anti-contributor changes because they made enough money at Getty that they couldn't easily walk away, but this doesn't breed positive feelings.
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« on: November 03, 2017, 08:15 »
Whether or not alternative software is an adequate replacement for Lightroom depends on how you make use of Lightroom. I don't think anyone else has a Book module (but I am guessing the module is not much used, so that probably isn't an issue), for example.
Everyone uses a subset of a program's features - lots of different subsets though.
Not everyone will be able to do this, but I purchased Affinity Photo a while back - even though I don't use it - to encourage alternatives to flourish. I use Photoshop every day, but I would like some options if CS6 no longer runs on some future version of the OS. I recently pre-purchased Luminar 2018 for the same reason. Aurora HDR isn't bad either, but I still think hand blending exposures produces the best results so I'm less concerned about that area of features.
Regarding subscriptions, it's less the price that removing the incentive for Adobe to do a good job. I haven't seen any of their new features be tempting enough for me to switch to CC - which I would if they did anything compelling with new features.
I do find it frustrating that many of the great features in competitive software could have been in Lightroom years ago had Adobe been giving it the love it should have had. Fill mask (capture one) should have been in Lightroom, as should layers have been.
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« on: November 02, 2017, 11:31 »
SS is # 9 on the "Challengers" list. Adobe is #15 on the leaders lists - apparently we'll be using Photoshop via voice command before too long  "Rare is the 35-year-old tech company that can go head-to-head with the startups. But software purveyor Adobe Systems has seen its stock more than quadruple in the past five years alone. Thats thanks in part to its prescient 2012 transition to cloud-based delivery, which meant selling software via online subscription (rather than a box with a CD in it). That wasnt the companys first self-disruptionit invented the PDF in 1993 after it had already sold several successful design programsand it may not be its last. Adobe is now channeling its immense scale and data troves into artificial intelligence applications. Soon youll be Photoshopping vacation photos via voice command." The scoring system: " To rank the companies, each was given a score based on its market potential and its own capacity in four areas: strategy, people, technology and investment, and corporate structure." There's an explanation of the ranking (honestly I'm not sure that this whole approach makes any sense at all, but you can play with the weights to see what difference it makes to ranking) http://fortune.com/future-50/visualizations/challengers/?iid=recirc_ff_50landing-zone1The thing that dropped SS down the list the most was increasing the importance of strategy to be much higher than the default
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« on: November 02, 2017, 08:43 »
... But there has to be a breaking point, surely? ...
I think it's most likely to be when somewhere is is out-earning SS in the monthly tally (remember when iStock was routinely #1 for many independents?) and they pull some dumb royalty-reducing stunt. For iStock exclusives, people started to leave after their IS totals dropped enough that the other sites plus reduced indie income from IS made financial sense. As long as SS is doing much better than the other agencies in terms of monthly totals for contributors, they have a lot of leeway to be asshats and still keep decent content coming. Assuming their search engine keeps the dreck mostly out of buyers' sight, they can boast of collection totals to keep financial watchers happy and accept image spam as ballast - bilge water, you might say
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« on: November 02, 2017, 08:13 »
SS had a very good month - buoyed by strong SODs. Best month since November 2015; best October since 2013 (November has always been my top month). Compared to either of those earlier months, the SODs this month were a lot higher - which is both good and bad news. The bad part is it shows how the other mainstays (subs and on demand) have weakened. Adobe was a BME (but I've only been back there since mid-December last year, so that's not really a surprise). In spite of that it was half of SS, so there's still room for them to grow a bit. DT was pathetic - just over half of October 2016 and 13% of October 2013 (and yes, I do mean just over one tenth of the earlier total). Alamy had only two small sales - I was beginning to think I'd accidentally deleted my portfolio  I have only a handful of files left at iStock so nothing that happens there is meaningful (variations on tiny)
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« on: November 01, 2017, 13:52 »
From the earnings call yesterday... Oringer: "Moving to Shutterstock Custom, ... we are very pleased with from customers. We continue to believe Custom is a large long-term opportunity for us...We believe that the global custom content creation category is a $7 billion addressable market alone, giving us tremendous opportunities with new and existing customers." Steven Berns: "As previously mentioned, Shutterstock Custom will have a minimal impact on our financial results in 2017, but we believe it will be a significant growth engine in years to come." From minimal to billions in a few easy steps  A lot of this depends on whether you buy the idea that lots of photos as post-like advertising on social media will be a long term thing (versus hot right now) - some numbers in this article. The problem, IMO, is that very few people like ads (versus posts from the people they follow); the idea that paid content can look like, and be as interesting as "organic" content is a fantasy; if the ratio of ads to posts gets too high, users will drift away over time. So if there is a burst of activity with SS Custom, I'm guessing that the demand won't last for long (even if they can get contributors to create custom content for next-to-nothing payments). It's worth noting in this article the comment that stock photos don't work in Instagram ads - they emphasize custom content with real people. I can see how the costs of custom content for social media ads would need to be really low to make it work from the advertiser's point of view...
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« on: November 01, 2017, 00:54 »
... It is better to have educated agencies that understand copyright laws, than have uneducated and misguided agencies that have no clue about copyrights....
Then please do everyone a favor and address your arguments in favor of your point of view to the agencies, not to us.
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« on: October 31, 2017, 18:08 »
For anyone new to the stock agencies who reads this: It doesn't really matter to a contributor what one country's copyright rules are. What matters are the agency requirements. If you don't meet them, they won't accept your content. Arguing law(s) from various countries with them will not help.
If you plan to sell your own work, erring on the side of conservative interpretations of IP (intellectual property) rights will avoid you having to spend money on lawyers that will likely dwarf anything you might make from an image. Your goal is probably to make money licensing your work, not get a legal education and drain your bank account.
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« on: October 31, 2017, 11:18 »
Motley Fool story is generally upbeat https://www.fool.com/investing/2017/10/31/shutterstock-invests-for-the-future.aspxNot comparing SS to amazon, but for years amazon lost masses amounts of money but sold a story to Wall St that they liked. At some point, if you can't produce results the stock will be punished, but investing for future growth is a line the financial folks will buy. Analysts haven't looked at all the image spam in the collection...
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« on: October 31, 2017, 09:21 »
But they've made Wall Street happy because the earnings beat expectations - lower profits, but they were slightly higher than the forecast. The earnings call transcript later should be interesting - although in general the analyst questions are so clueless and toothless that I shouldn't get too excited
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« on: October 26, 2017, 21:25 »
For the benefit of other people looking at your samples, you should probably say what the RAW files are. I assume Canon from the mention of DPP, but which camera?
After switching to Fuji earlier this year, it was clear that handling those RAW files provided challenges to some RAW converters, so my comparisons are inevitably going to be different from yours (or anyone else's with Sony or Nikon or ...)
I'm not sure what is the best way to make comparisons, but I think as a photographer, I want to see the best a developing program can produce and not argue about which sliders or options got me to the desired end result. I wouldn't use any RAW converter software with no enhancements, so I didn't show those samples.
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« on: October 24, 2017, 15:16 »
If you read a bit further you'd see I did try with my 5D Mk II files and saw better results from ON1 with those (Chromatic Aberration was still a problem, but all that crunchy mess was gone). I have masses of CR2 files to test with, but I mostly care about Fuji RAW going forward and some software doesn't handle the Xtrans sensor files well
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« on: October 24, 2017, 14:43 »
I took a look at trial versions of Luminar and ON1 Photo RAW just to see how they measure up. Bottom line is that there are some nice features but both have issues for my workflow that rule them out. More details and some samples here (not full reviews, just a quick look primarily at the quality of the output, without which all the rest of the nice UI doesn't much matter to me) http://www.digitalbristles.com/on1-luminar-quick-look/
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