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« on: January 14, 2025, 08:43 »
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How will misleading content in the Adobe library be removed? According to the examples given, everyone is knowledgeable about their own region.
I searched for "Istanbul" as artificial intelligence content in the Adobe library. I know very well because I live there. 85% of the images on the first page are misleading. How can an employee working at Adobe and living in another country know this?
Or how can I know whether the image about "Hamburg", which I have never been to, is misleading?
Actually, I wonder where exactly artificial intelligence images are used. Artificial intelligence images are definitely not used in magazines, newspapers, press and publishing websites in Turkey. It was used in the news of major newspapers a few times in the beginning. However, since the use of models that did not look like Turks in a news about Turkish Retirees was found quite ridiculous, the content of the news was changed immediately.
I am sure that the customer knows what kind of image they want. It is very good to separate Real Photo and AI in searches. But the selection tool could be in an easier place. It could be in the selection in the upper left corner.
(By the way, we can participate from Turkey, but Adobe is closed to Turkish customers. We can check our portfolio by changing the "tr" extension in the internet address bar to "fr". That's why the first page I see and the first pages you see may be different.)
Adobe customers can also use generative edits to correct images however they want,and we also receive royalties if a customer edits and then downloads the result,to be clearer,if they modify your image and then download it you still earn. actually AI contents are used everywhere,including in magazines,newspapers,and widely across the web. Now I don't know specifically about Türkiye,I'm in Italy,and I read news every day and see images generated by AI every day. customers know what they are buying because all AI content is labeled as AI and anyone who doesn't label it will be blocked in a short time by Adobe.
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« on: January 14, 2025, 06:35 »
that image of Big Ben for example can be corrected with a simple selection and generative fill,it doesn't take anything at all. AI are not suitable for creating images of specific,real locations,but are more suitable for other types of work. AI is not the problem,but who uses it. Do you want to know how many AI images I created in the last week?(probably not but I'll tell you anyway!  ) I created 17 AI images in a week and now I'm working on the eighteenth. I'll start by saying that I haven't been working many hours a day lately,but still,creating quality AI content,correcting the face,teeth,eyes,using generative fills,blurs,and everything else takes time,if you really want to create AI content,interesting, different,quality and marketable,you have to dedicate time. in my opinion creating quality AI content is more difficult than creating quality real content. creating videos,in my opinion is easier than creating quality AI content,the only difference is that with videos you have to be in specific locations and you also have to have suitable equipment,but not necessarily,and it still depends on the type of video of course. good to see AI back on track in the search. and the blue bar is back! 
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« on: January 13, 2025, 03:00 »
the point is that SS and Getty not only want to pay us low royalties but also compete with us with AI,this is the truth.
I agree that in any case MJ had to pay the agencies and the agencies had to pay us their percentage for the AI training,this would have been fairer,but it didn't happen and it will never happen,this is the world we live in,a world where justice the real one is just a word and nothing more.
I clearly agree with having an opt out,it's just right.
SS is also the agency that lowered the minimum royalties to 0.10 in the midst of the pandemic,it is a lack of respect and consideration for our work,as is the non-exclusive 15% of Istock.
Even today when I see 0.10 I feel bad,I will never get used to it,sometimes I see content where I worked for hours,going away at 0.10c is truly humiliating,it's a shame and this thing must be eliminated.
if SS restores the old royalty structure I will go back to uploading to SS too.
"we remain committed to supporting our contributors,our commitment to you remains a top priority".
says SS in his recent email update,and I say:"ok,I'm happy that you have our interests at heart,so prove it,but with facts not talk!"
yes maybe it would be a good idea to have a "turn on AI" button in Adobe Stock at the top easily accessible and visible without having to go to the filter panel.
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« on: January 12, 2025, 07:15 »
so was I right?it's not a glitch but a choice,the search still excludes AI content by default.
It's not necessarily a definitive choice,perhaps only temporary,on the other hand I think it also depends on the customers,many believe they prefer to see real content immediately,but others perhaps might prefer to see all types of content.
it is certainly difficult to please such a large audience.
I think that SS and Getty don't accept AI content because they simply want to create and sell it for 100% profit,they still need contributors for real content,but they are not interested in receiving AI content from contributors.
I don't think SS and Getty are worried about the legal implications of accepting AI,but they use this as an excuse to feed to contributors.
Adobe is the only agency that is truly interested in us being successful in our business/hobby/work,since Adobe is also the world leader in creating software tools for creativity and productivity.
but Adobe (in Arab culture) is also the mixture of clay,sand and straw dried in the shade,used by many populations in every era to build bricks!
Since you are expert in Arab culture, is AI images generation halal or haram?
and who told you that I am an expert in Arab culture? Did an elf pass by and whisper in your ear? or much more simply does it seem nice to you to to annoy me? actually if I have to tell you I'm not very interested in the answer,but if you want go ahead,I'm for freedom,after all this is freedom too! although there is a saying that your freedom ends where mine begins!
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« on: January 12, 2025, 05:40 »
so was I right?it's not a glitch but a choice,the search still excludes AI content by default. It's not necessarily a definitive choice,perhaps only temporary,on the other hand I think it also depends on the customers,many believe they prefer to see real content immediately,but others perhaps might prefer to see all types of content. it is certainly difficult to please such a large audience. I think that SS and Getty don't accept AI content because they simply want to create and sell it for 100% profit,they still need contributors for real content,but they are not interested in receiving AI content from contributors. I don't think SS and Getty are worried about the legal implications of accepting AI,but they use this as an excuse to feed to contributors. Adobe is the only agency that is truly interested in us being successful in our business/hobby/work,since Adobe is also the world leader in creating software tools for creativity and productivity. but Adobe (in Arab culture) is also the mixture of clay,sand and straw dried in the shade,used by many populations in every era to build bricks!
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« on: January 11, 2025, 07:36 »
but why someone have to criticize those who produce AI content?Everyone does what they want,as if it were easy to produce quality AI content,it's not easy.
it makes no difference to me,only 22% of my port is AI.
However,as far as I know,AI content can also be used to train AI,information that comes from an official statement from Adobe,I don't want to misremember but I don't think so.
Who knows?Maybe it's not a glitch,maybe it's a choice to temporarily highlight the real contents.
Adobe's collection currently reports 401 million real content and 230 million AI content.
That's fine for me,it may be that I sell some real videos in the meantime,since I haven't sold one since November on Adobe,while in the meantime I sold some on SS,in November I sold several videos on Adobe,even a simple food video for 14 usd.
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« on: January 10, 2025, 06:24 »
a really terrible start to the year for me on AS,at the moment my weekly rank is worse than my full rank. This January so far is much worse than January 2024 and I risk ending the month at a loss compared to last year,but anything can still happen,the month is still long. the only thing I know is that yesterday I didn't work,the desire to create is currently reduced to a minimum,given the poor results so far since the beginning of the year,I've actually earned more on SS up until now,I hope that the situation on Adobe will improve as soon as possible,and I can find my creative spirit again!
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« on: January 10, 2025, 06:07 »
injustice and me are usually playing ping pong about the adobe algos where the royalty is fixed
but you are right, agencies with multiple royalty levels can benefit financially by promoting the lower tier files.
another reason why fixed royalty is better, it removes evil suspicions. 
true! regarding Adobe,but in the end in my opinion we are both right,because one thing does not exclude the other. regarding instead the merger between SS and Getty,it will most likely be possible to reach Getty customers by selling on SS and Shutterstock customers by continuing to contribute on Istock. imo this merger will lead to an increase in customers and sales on both these agencies,but it is also very likely that a fixed 15% on non-exclusive royalties will also be imposed on SS. It is also possible that content on SS will be subject to a single use license with connect sales,in short I believe that SS will become Getty style,but clearly it is still too early to say.
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« on: January 09, 2025, 11:45 »
The driving force is customer interactions, not chaos and not a magical computer program "looking after" contributors and "distributing" sales to us.
That would make zero sense and remove all incentive to understand customer needs..
Customers are the only people that matter for agencies. As it should be.
but there's no point in insisting,because as I said,you can't know and I don't know either. in my opinion everything is not so black and white,but it also has many shades of grey,and one thing does not necessarily exclude the other. why you say:"That would make zero sense and remove all incentive to understand customer needs" not necessarily,and a well-defined program does not exclude the needs of customers and the importance of what is produced. In my opinion it's not all so black and white,but there are many nuances. but like I said,this is just my opinion,I can't know,and neither can you,nor anyone else. and now I think that's enough because we are deviating too much from the main theme of this discussion!
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« on: January 09, 2025, 09:39 »
@Cobalt "the algos don't care at all how much money you make". You can't know this,and I can't know either. in my opinion,everything follows a well-defined program,and everything works exactly as it should work,and nothing happens by chance,if it weren't like this it would be chaos. of course it also depends on what you produce,this is certainly a key part,but it is not the only variable. @LouisPhotos no,Istock won't disappear.
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« on: January 09, 2025, 06:12 »
actually since the beginning of the year SS has been doing better than Adobe for me,although I don't think it will last,and soon Adobe will be back to normal. In any case,it's nice to see some good video sales and above-normal royalties on SS too,considering that I haven't uploaded to SS since September 2023. in my opinion the merger with Getty will bring more customers on both platforms,it is plausible to think that it will be possible to reach Getty customers also from SS,the problem is that knowing Getty,they will probably bring SS to 15% non-exclusive,but we can't know yet. Adobe is and remains the best agency in my opinion,and the millions of AI contents uploaded every week make no difference,what in my opinion makes the difference is the number of contributors. It doesn't matter whether there will be billions of contents on Adobe or not,but the biggest problem that AI is bringing is the amount of contributors that is increasing,because to produce AI content you don't need expensive equipment,or being in particular locations,or paying models,and is accessible to everyone in a very simple way without particular knowledge. with the increase in contributors the slice of the pie becomes smaller,because in my opinion a program can easily manage billions of contents,but then dividing customer requests by an excessive number of contributors I think is a different story. but I also think Adobe will have factored this in too,I'm pretty sure they saw this coming too and we'll all continue to earn more the same over time. although I admit that at the moment the situation appears rather dramatic!
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« on: January 08, 2025, 08:50 »
now pos 2840
but somebody is still in the top 500...
yes but right now,in general we are all selling less than usual,here's another example,your position 2,840 with only 61 sales. probably at this moment if you only make 50 sales in less than 24 you will already reach below position 1000,probably even less than position 500! From what I see,it seems clear to me that we are all selling less than usual,except perhaps those who have recently started and are in favor of the algorithm at the moment.
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« on: January 08, 2025, 05:44 »
@yuriy thanks for posting this,you can clearly see that no one is selling yet,it's not good,because under 10,000 with 14 sales is really little. but congratulations on your first time under 10,000! @Cobalt thanks,but you also did an extraordinary job last year,and I know that you also always try to create the highest quality and marketability possible,and continuing to do it for a long time as you are doing is not easy. yes,I think we need at least 5000+ AI people contents with high quality and marketability,contents that stand out,useful,different,interesting....it's not easy. and then it also takes a long time before they start selling regularly,then it depends,this also takes a bit of luck I think,but also the ability to create them at the right time. I still believe that dedicating time to creating better and sellable content is always the best choice. last month I uploaded 617 contents,but I don't know how many of these 617 I will sell. what I'm doing now is different,I'm pretty sure that this are contents that will sell,but at most I will be able to produce 120 of these contents in a month,because clearly require much more time.
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« on: January 07, 2025, 16:49 »
bad start to the year for me too,but not much different from last year. up to now I have sold less than last year,but it doesn't make any difference,because at the end of the month I will most likely have a 20-50% more number of sales. I don't know the earnings,because the earnings may vary more and mostly depend on how many videos I sell. I started working on the new AI people content,I've already been working on it for a few days,on average 2-3 per day,but it's particular content that takes time,then we already know that the more you look at AI content the more you find things to correct. that's enough for today,tomorrow I will review the first batch,I will make the last corrections and then indexing,I couldn't even continue tonight,I'm too tired and I wouldn't be able to notice everything I could notice tomorrow morning,when my brain is fresher! I'm putting in the effort,but it's also time I started seeing better results,or as a last resort,I will change strategy,focusing more on quantity than quality. honestly I am quite convinced that it doesn't make much difference,and that I will always continue to make 20-70% more in terms of sales number compared to the previous year,with one negative month and perhaps one extremely positive one per year. which is better than hell,but if it continues like this,the journey to get to an income,at least a decent one,will take too long. these first 3 months of the year will be very,very important,to understand how,if and when!
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« on: January 06, 2025, 06:15 »
today is a holiday in Italy,Spain,France,Germany,Russia,Iceland,Hungary and Romania.
Epiphany or "Befana" in Italian language.
I see a lot of juicy royalties,but the number of sales is very low.
interesting to note that from the beginning of the year until now I have only sold real photos.
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« on: January 05, 2025, 07:02 »
you started with the low algorithm too! I lost a lot of positions this week,which is a good sign! Why is it a good sign?Because it means that I'm the one who isn't selling at the moment,but in reality many other contributors are selling. It would be much worse if I moved up the rankings despite selling little,because it would mean that in general less is being sold. anyway yes Peacesetter,I think you saw correctly,in fact I too had sold more at this point last year.
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« on: January 05, 2025, 06:52 »
exactly,I also started late in 2018,30k files that had 20 years to mature,with countless many more interactions,by now it would have been very different! I believe that Adobe is different from other agencies,because from what I see the way in which customer requests are managed and therefore sales works differently. if this were not the case,it would not be possible to earn more already! the total search for content on Adobe Stock right now reports 624 million,which is at least double of when contributors started to see a decrease in sales at other agencies. that is,how is it possible that with 624 million content in December I made 73,5% more sales and 52,2% more earnings? this wouldn't be possible in a "random way" with the amount of content there is on Adobe today. and then I really don't think that a company like Adobe hasn't thought about the consequences of starting to accept AI content. what do you think they did? they said: "but yes,let's start accepting millions of contents a week,then we'll see what happens and hope for the best!" but of course not!Adobe certainly made a long-term projection and evaluated all the consequences of this choice. this is why in my opinion it won't matter at all on Adobe whether there will be billions of contents in the future or not,because everything has simply already been thought out down to the smallest detail,and in fact you can already see it now. and sorry if I derailed maybe too much from the main topic...my fault sorry!
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« on: January 04, 2025, 14:46 »
depends on how this merger is managed,there are many possible scenarios. however I don't know why every articles say "market for stock images has been severely devalued by AI" because that's simply not the case. Istock was the first to devalue the market by lowering prices to attract more customers and reducing royalties to 15% a decade before AI,they started playing with the spring,which is a lot of fun,but then this game bounces back in your face! the price of digital content to the end customer must rise,the percentages for contributors must increase. everything is increasing and we have to earn more,simply this. AI will never be able to replace the work of digital media creators,AI certainly change,AI have changed the scenario,the type of work a lot....but AI will never be able to replace creators in my opinion,at least not in this century I think!
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« on: January 04, 2025, 11:47 »
in my opinion it could be good news from the point of view of sales volume which could increase for us contributors with a merger.
if they want to hope for a better future they must first of all change the royalty structure,the percentage for contributors must be higher,we are the ones who produce the contents,yes they sell,but they take 85% of the sale,and it is truly too much!
can be for them an opportunity to review their policies,but knowing the 2 subjects I highly doubt it!
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« on: January 04, 2025, 11:20 »
very slow start to the year for me too!  strength and courage! Christmas holidays are finally over!
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« on: January 02, 2025, 11:58 »
the first sale on AS of 2025,today January 2nd at around 3 pm Italian time.
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« on: January 02, 2025, 07:31 »
I've submitted a lot to iStock over the past year and have seen significant growth, putting me back to pre-2017 levels. iS/Getty has a huge number of buyers and should not be disregarded imo. My images RPD there is regularly higher than on AS, despite the iS/Getty image royalty rates being only 15%/20%.
but you are one of the few,you must have done a truly exceptional job and I congratulate you and hope that everything gets better and better for you! I started on Istock in 2018,and I started like a rocket,after 6 months I was already earning about double than in Adobe now,but then in 2021 the decline began until I no longer even made the minimum payout every month. then in 2022 the definitive break. my final consideration is that Istock is too unstable,while in Adobe,even if the growth is really slow, from 2018 until 2024 it is a continuous increase. but this is my experience,which clearly does not necessarily have to be everyone's experience.
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« on: January 02, 2025, 06:01 »
I'm still waiting for the first sale of 2025,at 11.57 am Italian time I still don't see any sales!
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« on: January 02, 2025, 04:22 »
I'm glad you see it too!
some of you suggest I also upload to other agencies,but the truth is that it's no longer worth it.
some still manage to earn on SS perhaps even more than before because they have been contributors for decades,someone still manages to do it and I can only say that I'm happy if they succeed.
I started on SS in 2018 and peaked in 2021 then when in 2022 I earned less than 2021 I started abandoning SS,and I earned even less in 2023 and even less in 2024.
the truth is that the only serious agency is Adobe,and maybe some exclusive agency like Stocksy perhaps?
Istock is like SS if not worse,it's just a matter of selling off your time and work for pennies,with no guarantees of growth.
at least with Adobe if you work consistently,there is a guaranteed increase over time.
my situation is different,because time is the only thing I can't afford,I need to see "faster" growth,but if I were at least 10 years younger,I wouldn't have any problems.
the only agency left is Adobe,everything else is falling apart!
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« on: December 31, 2024, 06:41 »
2025 will be an important year in which I will have to make important decisions. regarding microstock,I will have to at least double the earnings if not triple compared to the 2024 total. I take this opportunity to wish everyone the best for a better new year both in the microstock and with the people close to you and in everyday life. happy new year everyone!
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